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Crazy Horse
2 hours ago, GlitterRose said:

If he was around today, he'd probably have some followers, but they sure wouldn't be the majority of organized religion followers.

I don't see the Vatican with its monuments to money associating themselves with the likes of Christ, honestly.

No televangelists, either. Or those big mega-churches.

I tend to agree.

Perhaps Jesus's next chapel will be within YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, thereby bypassing any organisation and speaking directly to anyone who is interested?

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joc
20 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Christians and Muslims make-up over 50% of the worlds religious folk, Hindus and Buddhist combined account for around 20%.

If you believe in karma and reincarnation, then, you are not only trying to make the world a better place for your kids and grandchildren, but for your parents, your grandparents, and for yourself too, in the next life.

This idea of only living one life has gone hand in hand with vulture capitalism, ultra consumerism, materialism and destroying the worlds eco systems.

 

 

You are so far off base...it is just ridiculous conjecture.

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Crazy Horse
1 minute ago, joc said:

You are so far off base...it is just ridiculous conjecture.

Feel free to explain why I am so far off base.

And why its just ridiculous conjecture?

 

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4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Feel free to explain why I am so far off base.

And why its just ridiculous conjecture?

 

Because you are confusing your own beliefs with known    F A C T.

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psyche101
15 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

That's your opinion, not mine.

If you can imagine, that the universe is held in the Mind of God, then the exact opposite is true. Life Eternal, Consciousness, Mind/Spirit and only later, matter.

The evidence for consciousness surviving death is pretty clear. Otherwise, please explain how a person who is clinically dead, can consciously see and communicate with a loved one who they thought was still alive, but unbeknownst to them, had in fact died a few hours before? If it isn't consciousness surviving, then please explain what, and how, this is happening?

Didn't happen when my father passed away. If it's a natural process why doesn't it happen to everyone?

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Dr Ian Stevenson https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html

Dr Jim Tucker http://www.jimbtucker.com/

and Dr Brian Weiss https://www.brianweiss.com/

are the 21st century's leading researchers into past life experiences and life after death. I've read books by each of these men.

And watch even just the first story in this documentary...

 

 

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13 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Didn't happen when my father passed away. If it's a natural process why doesn't it happen to everyone?

No one's suggesting that it's a natural, common process.

I've heard it suggested (key word here is suggested) that loved ones can't come through to people who are fogged up by grief and sorrow. Often a spirit will wait to show themselves when the receiver is unexpecting, clear and when the spirit feels there's a need to connect.

I haven't experienced it either, and I'm a full-on believer in the spiritual and supernatural. I really wanted my best friend to come through in some way to communicate with me. I feel that he did. I didn't see him, he didn't say anything - but ever since his death, whenever I need some reassurance or guidance, my day will be overwhelmed with white butterflies and feathers. Maybe I just didn't notice it before. Maybe it's wishful thinking. But it brings me comfort and I attribute it to him. It's helped me to heal and let the pain go. I like that the butterflies and feathers are constant reminders of the part he played in my life. It makes me think about the things he taught me and the kind of person he was.

For some, it could just be their wishful thinking and emotional projection that makes them think they're being contacted. And for others, there's special information relayed that the receiver couldn't have possibly known about or imagined up on their own. These cases are extremely rare.

Maybe it's all a lot more common than we're led to believe because spiritual and supernatural beliefs are often met with so much criticism and scepticism which makes a lot of people afraid and reluctant to ever share their experiences. They doubt themselves, try to rationalise what they think they saw or heard or felt.

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17 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

If it isn't consciousness surviving, then please explain what, and how, this is happening?

Conciousness is a part of being alive.  Not a part of being dead.  The way of Nature is to procreate...not ...reincarnate.  Reincarnation is an ancient idea that has no merit in the world we live in.  

You seem to be all awash in 'belief' CH.  If you were to just concentrate your energy on what we actually know....you would find that it is a very large universe of knowledge.  

Explain how Consciousness works...not in the context of religion or spirituality or belief...but mechanically, scientifically, how consciousness works.  If you don't know how it works then saying it works like this or that is ridiculous conjecture.  We live in a real world.  You are welcome to live in it as well.  The only thing you will find up in the clouds are the things that are not on the ground.  Ground yourself in fact...not conjecture and maybe you will be able to see through these primitive concepts.  Then again, that involves challenging what you already believe.  God forbid we found out we believe something untrue.

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1 hour ago, jypsijemini said:

No one's suggesting that it's a natural, common process.

I've heard it suggested (key word here is suggested) that loved ones can't come through to people who are fogged up by grief and sorrow. Often a spirit will wait to show themselves when the receiver is unexpecting, clear and when the spirit feels there's a need to connect.

I haven't experienced it either, and I'm a full-on believer in the spiritual and supernatural. I really wanted my best friend to come through in some way to communicate with me. I feel that he did. I didn't see him, he didn't say anything - but ever since his death, whenever I need some reassurance or guidance, my day will be overwhelmed with white butterflies and feathers. Maybe I just didn't notice it before. Maybe it's wishful thinking. But it brings me comfort and I attribute it to him. It's helped me to heal and let the pain go. I like that the butterflies and feathers are constant reminders of the part he played in my life. It makes me think about the things he taught me and the kind of person he was.

For some, it could just be their wishful thinking and emotional projection that makes them think they're being contacted. And for others, there's special information relayed that the receiver couldn't have possibly known about or imagined up on their own. These cases are extremely rare.

Maybe it's all a lot more common than we're led to believe because spiritual and supernatural beliefs are often met with so much criticism and scepticism which makes a lot of people afraid and reluctant to ever share their experiences. They doubt themselves, try to rationalise what they think they saw or heard or felt.

Upon my father's death, I looked quite heavily into the entire concept, and found a man made trail. All beliefs I find result  in disappointment, and one ends up jaded. The only thing I find reliable and trustworthy is science and physics says there is no afterlife.

I mean no disrespect to your beliefs and wish more power to you. It's just that some of us have run out of things to believe in. Personally, for me, nothing is worth believing in. Things just are what they are.

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20 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

The brain is just a filter like most of the bodies organs. 

I gather you removed yours?

 

20 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

It filters what I would call the ether - empty space is Heaven.

Aether doesn't exist.

 

20 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

When you change the brains chemistry, with psychoactive drugs etc, then the filter changes and you may tune into different frequencies and perceive different planes of existence. Imo, the DMT release at death is for a reason, nature and evolution doesn't do chance, not for such a significant moment. The brain also has cannabinoid receptors for a reason too.

Then demonstrate this by removing your filter.

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Rlyeh
19 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

That's your opinion, not mine.

No, it's a field of science called biology.

 

19 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

If you can imagine, that the universe is held in the Mind of God, then the exact opposite is true. Life Eternal, Consciousness, Mind/Spirit and only later, matter.

Imagination makes it true?  By that fallacious reasoning the earth is flat.

 

19 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

The evidence for consciousness surviving death is pretty clear. Otherwise, please explain how a person who is clinically dead, can consciously see and communicate with a loved one who they thought was still alive, but unbeknownst to them, had in fact died a few hours before? If it isn't consciousness surviving, then please explain what, and how, this is happening?

Not one account from someone who is dead, that is pretty clear.  

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On 12/10/2019 at 2:52 PM, jypsijemini said:

Depends. I don't think Jesus would want to have much to do with western cultures, honestly. Bit of a lost cause there. We're all arguing about gender neutrality; 'political' correctness; individual rights, opinions and perceptions > morality and ethics; and climate change. We're engrossed in technology and 'social' media while distancing ourselves from authentic community and socialisation - which is accelerating the rates of mental illness and substance abuse. Cults and new religions are popping up like weeds, choking true spirituality. There are hundreds of different forms (denominations) of Christianity that are now using the Christ character as a way to sell their own agendas under the guise of an authentic religion.

Western culture today would expect Jesus to refrain from picking a gender, he'd have to be non-political, if he performed miracles he'd just end up in a 'magician' compilation on YouTube, he'd have to be vegan if he wanted anybody to believe in his divinity (which wouldn't go down well with the carnivores), he couldn't have any political or religious views without upsetting somebody...

And if he incarnated in a third world country, the western world wouldn't accept the legitimacy of his claims because they'd just assume he was a crazy tribal witchdoctor with a cult following.

'Jesus' certainly wouldn't be pleased. He'd be more inclined to be angry and disappointed - particularly directing his feelings towards the men and women who use his name to justify their behaviours and lifestyles. He'd be going after them first and foremost. He'd want to set the record straight - but wouldn't get very far because those 'Christians' would just defend themselves and probably wouldn't believe he was really Jesus anyway.

I think that he'd be much more inclined to blend in and assume a sort of anonymity while observing the current state of the world. He'd take on some sort of meaningful role like a social worker, a teacher, a counsellor, a nurse etc. Or he'd just live out his days in a Buddhist monastery assuming a life of silence and celibacy.

I really think that he wouldn't even bother coming back again. The world today is too sceptical. We rely so much on science, evidence and proof - and yet so many just want to be justified in their own reasoning and have the right to live life the way that they believe suits them. People are incredibly selfish, fearless of consequences and their actions are fuelled by instant-gratification.

Spiritually, the world would need to gravitate back to a search and desire for love, community, peace, harmony, unity, acceptance and understanding before we'd be ready for another influential spiritual leader and influencer. It's getting there, but we're still a long way from it. Right now, most everybody wants to be right, wants to be insta-famous, wants to live their best life and they don't care about the affect that their choices have on other people. People are too selfish and self-obsessed for someone like Jesus to even consider coming back to help humanity again.

If it was Christs mission, (or one of His missions), was to bring about world peace, then He would have no alternative other than to deal with the West, plus, in my opinion, He might well be born here!

The way I see it - the sun rises in the East and sets in the West, plus the West is generally speaking the most corrupt, the biggest war-mongering hypocrites etc, so for western culture to identify with Him, and Him with them, He would almost certainly be born within Europe or North America, that's what I feel anyway!!!

And after reading your post, I also get the feeling that He would have to do something extraordinary to stand out from the crowd. A prophecy or a miracle or two, something like this.

And for what its worth, I don't feel He would identify with any one religion or philosophy per se, more a Broad Church of love and integrity, kindness and compassion - things anyone could relate to whether they were religious or not?

 

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5 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Upon my father's death, I looked quite heavily into the entire concept, and found a man made trail. All beliefs I find result  in disappointment, and one ends up jaded. The only thing I find reliable and trustworthy is science and physics says there is no afterlife.

I mean no disrespect to your beliefs and wish more power to you. It's just that some of us have run out of things to believe in. Personally, for me, nothing is worth believing in. Things just are what they are.

Personally, my beliefs have lead me to an exact opposite place, maybe not straight away, but I really don't mind where this journey takes me, its to know the truth for myself, that's the important thing. My beliefs have been refined over time - if it doesn't help, it doesn't stay a belief.

And for me again, only the things that bring an inner peace, or an easy smile, or a brake from suffering etc, these are very much ideas and beliefs worth believing in. 

Why wouldn't you believe in peace for example? Why waste time, energy, money etc fighting each other, when we could crack a couple of beers and have a laugh, helping each other out now and then?

I hope this answers @joc  No 233 too?

 

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6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Upon my father's death, I looked quite heavily into the entire concept, and found a man made trail. All beliefs I find result  in disappointment, and one ends up jaded. The only thing I find reliable and trustworthy is science and physics says there is no afterlife.

I mean no disrespect to your beliefs and wish more power to you. It's just that some of us have run out of things to believe in. Personally, for me, nothing is worth believing in. Things just are what they are.

Are you a physisist?  I am sure physics does not prove there is no afterlife.  Can you state why you think that?

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Great. Another thread going the reincarnation route. Yep, page 10 and dying.

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On 11/29/2019 at 4:21 PM, and then said:

I never said anything about "Doomsday".  There is no "end of the world" in the book of Revelation.  That's a myth.

I agree that the Revelation is a myth, or rather a false prophecy, but to say that there is no end of the world in it is completely false.  I guess you’ve never actually read it but are assuming something that somebody told you is true?  The entire book is about the end of the world, and you can read the first few sentences of chapter 21 if you’d like to get some factual information.

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Crazy Horse
2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Great. Another thread going the reincarnation route. Yep, page 10 and dying.

Well it is about Jesus returning to this world....

 

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2 hours ago, Guyver said:

I agree that the Revelation is a myth, or rather a false prophecy, but to say that there is no end of the world in it is completely false.  I guess you’ve never actually read it but are assuming something that somebody told you is true?  The entire book is about the end of the world, and you can read the first few sentences of chapter 21 if you’d like to get some factual information.

Forgive me if I am misguided but I thought Revelation, or the Apocalypse, will be an unveiling of the truth, and a dying of the old, corrupt world?

I've tried reading the Bible but it leaves me cold.

Better to live your own gospel.

And share.

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Crazy Horse
3 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Are you a physisist?  I am sure physics does not prove there is no afterlife.  Can you state why you think that?

I always thought physics said that energy cannot disappear, it just changes?

One good reason to believe in the afterlife in my opinion.

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jypsijemini
12 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Great. Another thread going the reincarnation route. Yep, page 10 and dying.

Well, it is relevant considering we're talking about Jesus returning, aka reincarnating.

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Rlyeh
10 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

I always thought physics said that energy cannot disappear, it just changes?

One good reason to believe in the afterlife in my opinion.

Good reason to find out what energy is.

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XenoFish
3 hours ago, jypsijemini said:

Well, it is relevant considering we're talking about Jesus returning, aka reincarnating.

You mean that thing that won't happen.

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17 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Personally, my beliefs have lead me to an exact opposite place, maybe not straight away, but I really don't mind where this journey takes me, its to know the truth for myself, that's the important thing. My beliefs have been refined over time - if it doesn't help, it doesn't stay a belief.

If that's the case, why is it hard for you to fathom one who may have travelled further and refined that down to zero eventually?

17 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

And for me again, only the things that bring an inner peace, or an easy smile, or a brake from suffering etc, these are very much ideas and beliefs worth believing in. 

Again, that's you. Why would you feel this would apply to everyone? If you want to wander along with rose coloured glasses on, so be it. That doesn't work for everyone.

17 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Why wouldn't you believe in peace for example? Why waste time, energy, money etc fighting each other, when we could crack a couple of beers and have a laugh, helping each other out now and then?

I hope this answers @joc  No 233 too?

We are on the same planet right?

I'm actually curious, what exactly is this peace you believe in? A great beyond? A great hope? What exactly?

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16 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Are you a physisist?  I am sure physics does not prove there is no afterlife.  Can you state why you think that?

I'll keep it short and simple as I've outlined this quite a few times.

Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

Any questions?

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6 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I'll keep it short and simple as I've outlined this quite a few times.

Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

Any questions?

Poor old Sean the sheep, a guesser who got this one wrong, and I know it, 100%.  For better or worse, I know not.

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