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On 10 November 2019, after 19 days of civil protests following the disputed election results of October 2019, the military and police of Bolivia suggested that president Evo Morales resign. Morales resigned the same day, accompanied by several other resignations by high-level politicians throughout the day, some citing fears for the safety of their families.

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 media blackout Or complicit silence? 

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Piney
22 minutes ago, third_eye said:

complicit silence

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Piney
23 minutes ago, third_eye said:

 media blackout Or complicit silence? 

Morales, the Republican Party's cocaine king. :yes:

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53 minutes ago, Piney said:

Morales, the Republican Party's cocaine king. :yes:

Indigenous resources? 

I guess lithium isn't indigenous... 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, third_eye said:

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 media blackout Or complicit silence? 

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Or possibly complete indifference. 

How many people could locate Bolivia on a map ? 

Even on a map of Bolivia ! 

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OverSword
14 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Or possibly complete indifference. 

How many people could locate Bolivia on a map ? 

Even on a map of Bolivia ! 

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spartan max2

I didn't know much about this so out of curiosity I hopped over to the Bolivia subreddit to see what the kids are saying. I speak Spanish conversationally. 

They all seemed pretty happy about the turn of events.

 

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Phaeton80

Yeah, thats all very funny.. Boasting not being able to find Bolivia on a map, as though to say what does Bolivia matter..

It is yet another victim of the 21st century American empire trying any- and everything to maintain its hegemony, a hopeless cause with catastrophic consequences.

The US is destroying millions of lives across the globe, and all we can do is make quasi funny comments trying to trivialize and even rationalise the implications of all her crimes against humanity.

Disgusting. Luckily, we will all get whats coming to us, at the proverbial end of the day. :tu:

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spartan max2
5 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

Yeah, thats all very funny.. Boasting not being able to find Bolivia on a map, as though to say what does Bolivia matter..

It is yet another victim of the 21st century American empire trying any- and everything to maintain its hegemony, a hopeless cause with catastrophic consequences.

The US is destroying millions of lives across the globe, and all we can do is make quasi funny comments trying to trivialize and even rationalise the implications of all her crimes against humanity.

Disgusting. Luckily, we will all get whats coming to us, at the proverbial end of the day. :tu:

The Bolivia kids on Reddit were actually talking alot of trash (making fun of) all the American tweets that say things like you did.

I have to agree with them.

People credit our CIA for way too much, if only they actually did their job that well :lol:

Apprently Evo completly ignored a referendum that passed that barred him from running for a fourth term, but he just ignored it.

That seems to lend creedance to the idea that he is the kind of guy who would rig an election.

Also they say he 'licked Maduros boot" (Venezuela).

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Phaeton80
15 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

The Bolivia kids on Reddit were actually talking alot of trash (making fun of) all the American tweets that say things like you did.

I have to agree with them.

People credit our CIA for way too much, if only they actually did their job that well :lol:

Apprently Evo completly ignored a referendum that passed that barred him from running for a fourth term, but he just ignored it.

That seems to lend creedance to the idea that he is the kind of guy who would rig an election.

Also they say he 'licked Maduros boot" (Venezuela).


Well I stand corrected sir! If the 'Reddit Bolivia Boys' are making fun of American involvement its obviously.. well.. a joke.

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Apprently Evo completly ignored a referendum that passed that barred him from running for a fourth term, but he just ignored it.

That seems to lend creedance to the idea that he is the kind of guy who would rig an election.

Naive much?

Evidence Talks: US Government Propelled Coup in Bolivia
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US Is Again Complicit in an Illegal Coup, this Time in Bolivia

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38 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

I'm sure we encouraged it.

But it also sounds like the leader was crap.

It was his forth term attempt, ignoring a referendum banning him from running.

The vote counts was suspended for 24 hours without any explanation. When it started again the trend supiciously changed to the point that he would not only win but win just enough to stop a runoff election. 

It was so supicious that it started mass protest for 20 consecutive days after this to where he finally got thrown out.

He sounds like a corrupt SOB that they wanted to throw out.

He strongly allied with Maduro, Cuba, And Nicugara. Had no ambassador in the U.S. A guy who works so close with all these dictators, of course wants to be a dictator himself.

I don't see why anyone would be sad at this man leaving. 

A new election is going to happen with independent international people there to ensure a fair vote now.

Sounds like a win all around.

The younger generations around the world seem to no longer have an appetite for authoritarian trash. 

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He sounds like a corrupt SOB that they wanted to throw out.

He strongly allied with Maduro, Cuba, And Nicugara. Had no ambassador in the U.S. A guy who works so close with all these dictators, of course wants to be a dictator himself.

I don't see why anyone would be sad at this man leaving. 

A new election is going to happen with independent international people there to ensure a fair vote now.

Sounds like a win all around.

The younger generations around the world seem to no longer have an appetite for authoritarian trash. 


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Thanks for the giggles. Sweet lord.

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Another example of a handful of people imposing on the many, many millions, is that the new face of democracy or the new face of funded democracy? 

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spartan max2
8 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:


:lol:

Thanks for the giggles. Sweet lord.

A four term president who the population voted can't go past two terms.

Only dictators do that, if he cared about his people he would of chosen a successor.

To suspend vote counting in the middle of it for a full day without any explanation, and then the trend changes. 

How is that not corrupt to you?

 

 

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When did Bolivia become part of the United States of America? 

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spartan max2
2 minutes ago, third_eye said:

When did Bolivia become part of the United States of America? 

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I never said it was ?

I am just stating agreement with the Bolivian people.

I'm honestly confused why people would think what happened is bad.

Bolivia peacefully threw out a corrupt leader. 

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Just now, spartan max2 said:

I never said it was ?

I am just stating agreement with the Bolivian people.

I'm honestly confused why people would think what happened is bad.

Bolivia peacefully threw out a corrupt leader. 

not according the many many Millions of Bolivian that are bring hounded, oppressed and suppressed with the did of military violence... 

Bolivia went from the poorest of the Latin American lot to one of the top in the years with Evo leading at the front ... 

Why is a mob of thugs gets the impose their will on the majority of the land? 

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The goverment released an audio of a private phone call of Morales telling his supporters to block food and fuel. 

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“Brother, don’t let food into the cities, we are going to do a blockade, a true siege,” Mr. Morales is heard saying in what appeared to be a phone call from Mexico, where he fled last week after resigning. “From now it is going to be fight, fight, fight.”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bolivia-releases-audio-it-says-proves-morales-has-incited-food-blockades-11574282911

 

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Golden Duck
3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

I'm sure we encouraged it.

But it also sounds like the leader was crap.

It was his forth term attempt, ignoring a referendum banning him from running.

The vote counts was suspended for 24 hours without any explanation. When it started again the trend supiciously changed to the point that he would not only win but win just enough to stop a runoff election. 

It was so supicious that it started mass protest for 20 consecutive days after this to where he finally got thrown out.

He sounds like a corrupt SOB that they wanted to throw out.

He strongly allied with Maduro, Cuba, And Nicugara. Had no ambassador in the U.S. A guy who works so close with all these dictators, of course wants to be a dictator himself.

I don't see why anyone would be sad at this man leaving. 

A new election is going to happen with independent international people there to ensure a fair vote now.

Sounds like a win all around.

The younger generations around the world seem to no longer have an appetite for authoritarian trash. 

A booming - resource based - economy, and building of public infrastructure such as road and toilets coincided with his coming to power.

Now it's up to Anez to render Morales' warning, of an economic crash, as scaremongering.  Maybe she'll be able to fulfill her dream of "... a Bolivia free of satanic indigenous rites" by firing on the supporters of their first indigenous leader.

I can't see the corruption improving but stability is heading through the floor.

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Golden Duck
17 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Or possibly complete indifference. 

How many people could locate Bolivia on a map ? 

Even on a map of Bolivia ! 

If we were being pedantic this topic IS in the wrong forum.

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This summarises it nicely, it seems:

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Evo-Morales

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By 2015 the robust Bolivian economy had begun to slow significantly, largely in response to declining world petroleum and natural gas prices, and some of Morales’s critics blamed him for having failed to diversify the country’s natural gas-dependent economy. Morales also found himself at the centre of a corruption scandal when it was revealed that a woman with whom he once had been romantically involved had obtained a prominent position in 2013 with a Chinese company that received some $500 million in no-bid contracts from the Bolivian government. Morales stridently denied having engaged in any impropriety. Nevertheless, that scandal and the sagging economy put a dent in Morales’s popularity, and, in a referendum held in February 2016, Bolivians rejected (by a vote of about 51 percent to 49 percent) a constitutional change that would have allowed Morales to run for another term as president in 2019.

Morales appeared to be resigned to the results, but in September 2017 the MAS asked the constitutional court to remove term limits for the presidency, and in November the court did just that. In December 2018 the Supreme Electoral Court upheld that decision, prompting widespread street protests but paving the way for Morales to run for reelection in 2019.

When they went to the polls in October 2019, many Bolivians appeared to still be angered by Morales’s refusal to honour the results of the referendum. Others blamed the wildfires that had devastated huge tracts of Bolivian forest and grassland on a decree in July 2019 by Morales allowing farmers to undertake “controlled burning” to increase the size of their agricultural plots. Morales’s principal opponent in the election was his predecessor as president, Carlos Mesa Gisbert. The field of candidates also included businessman-turned-senator Óscar Ortiz and evangelical minister Chi Hyun Chung.

With some 80 percent of the votes counted on election night, October 20, Morales had garnered about 45 percent of the vote and Mesa about 38 percent, which portended the need for a runoff. Under Bolivian election law, for a presidential candidate to win outright in the first round, the candidate must capture either more than 50 percent of the vote or at least 40 percent of the vote with a 10 percent lead over the nearest challenger. Those early results were followed by a roughly 24-hour delay before it was announced that Morales had extended his margin of victory to just over 10 percent, thus precluding the need for a runoff. The response to the announcement was swift and violent, as opponents of Morales attacked election-related buildings, setting fire to some of them. Accusations of fraud escalated over the coming weeks, as the country was paralyzed by widespread protests and strikes.

On November 10 the Organization of American States, which had monitored the election, released a report alleging that there had been irregularities and calling for the election to be annulled. The embattled Morales promised to hold new elections, but the commander-in-chief of the Bolivian armed forces, Gen. Williams Kaliman, requested that Morales resign. Morales obliged, leaving office that same day, while insisting that there had been no wrongdoing and claiming that he was the victim of a coup.

OAS:

“Taking into account the statistical projections, it is possible that the candidate Morales has finished in first place and the candidate Mesa in second. However, it is statistically improbable that Morales has obtained the 10% difference in order to avoid a second round.”  The OAS couldn’t “validate the results of this election [and called for] “another electoral process [and] new electoral authorities.”

Armed forces:

Within three days, Kaliman himself resigned and moved to the United States. Sullkata M. Quilla of the Latin American Center for Strategic Analysis explains that Kaliman and other military chiefs each had received $1 million and that top police officers received $500,000 apiece. U.S. Chargee d’affaires Bruce Williamson allegedly arranged for monetary transactions that took place in Argentina’s Jujuy Province under the auspices of Governor Geraldo Morales. The story first appeared on the website www.Tvmundus.com.ar.


The only thing Morales seems to be guilty of is not following up on the results of the referendum, besides one allegation of favouring a Chinese company in a contract bid because of a former relation being employed there.

If these are legitimate grounds to interfere in a foreign nations state of affairs (which was my main point, US interference), y'all good Samaritans might wanna incite a coup in Holland as well. We voted against the Lisbon treaty, against the EU, and against losing our sovereignty.. by a landslide. It was completely ignored. One wee little detail though, we dont have one of the worlds largest supplies of lithium, and we dont have any oil. Will natural gas do?

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RoofGardener
13 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

Yeah, thats all very funny.. Boasting not being able to find Bolivia on a map, as though to say what does Bolivia matter..

It is yet another victim of the 21st century American empire trying any- and everything to maintain its hegemony, a hopeless cause with catastrophic consequences.

The US is destroying millions of lives across the globe, and all we can do is make quasi funny comments trying to trivialize and even rationalise the implications of all her crimes against humanity.

Disgusting. Luckily, we will all get whats coming to us, at the proverbial end of the day. :tu:

Oh PLEASE :P 

Admit it. You hadn't thought about Bolivia for YEARS until you read this thread :P Bolivia does NOT matter to 98% of the planet. 

As for "the US is destroying millions of lives across the  globe", that is utter nonsense. Especially in relation to Bolivia.

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People loyal to Evo were turning on him because election fraud, in the lead up to him stepping down, this was popular uprising.

The last day before it was the peak of him stepping down dozens of police units switched sides to the protesters.

One of his most loyal labor unions came out and publically stated for it's people to not stop protesting until he resigns.

His own attorney general started an investigation against Evo for an election fraud.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/world/americas/bolivia-election-evo-morales.html

He was expected to lose in a runoff election.

But meh, America bad. The CIA went in people's houses and forced them to protest for twenty days :lol: lol.

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Phaeton80
5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Oh PLEASE :P 

Admit it. You hadn't thought about Bolivia for YEARS until you read this thread :P Bolivia does NOT matter to 98% of the planet. 

As for "the US is destroying millions of lives across the  globe", that is utter nonsense. Especially in relation to Bolivia.


What a nonsensical thing to say. There are countless nations I dont think about in years (Bolivia, however, is not one of them), but thats completely besides the point. A Bolivian Coup, instigated in part and fully supported by the USA, is extremely relevant. Like the case with most nations in similar circumstances, like, say Venezuela.

As for your last sentence; been living under a cognitive dissonant rock for the last couple of decades? The US has been responsible for the wholesale destruction of the Middle East (but hey, how many Americans can locate those nations o a map right?!), as well as decades long meddling in the South Americas.. creating extreme poverty and suffering for the middle and lower classes of those nations, favouring corporations and their elite.

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