Bolivia - coup d'etat

[SHaYap]

Mob rule ...

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[spartan max2]

11 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

The goverment released an audio of a private phone call of Morales telling his supporters to block food and fuel. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bolivia-releases-audio-it-says-proves-morales-has-incited-food-blockades-11574282911

 

, I'm sure he is not trying to cause instability so that he can come back and have another 5 year term for his fourth consecutive term....

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[spartan max2]

Here is when the police started putting down their riot gear and joining the side of the protesters.

I wonder why.... I'm sure it's because of the CIA  lol

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/world/americas/bolivian-police-morales.html

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Police units defected in La Paz and in at least five other major cities, and officers were reported to have abandoned their posts outside the presidential palace. State television broadcast images of throngs of police, many still in uniform, marching with protesters in La Paz and in the country’s business capital Santa Cruz. In La Paz, crowds of protesters cheered the rebelling officers.

 

[spartan max2]

I just realized it might help to clarify the election process in Bolivia to others.

It is in two stages. The first stage has multiple people running. There was roughly 4 I think.

After the first stage, it goes to a second stage where it is only the top two candidates with the most votes.

Evo was expected to lose in the runoff election, the second stage. Since the supporters of the other three candidates were all expected to go against him in a runoff.

That's why the unexplained 24 hour suspension of vote counting is significant. When it started again the trend changed just enough to not have to do a run off.

An unexplained voting counting suspension, trend change, along with the fact most people felt he should not even be allowed to run for a fourth turn, and the audit company the Bolivia goverment hires to keep an eye on the election process stated that their were alot of irregularities, made the Bloivian people take to the streets.

Here is the report:

https://www.oas.org/en/media_center/press_release.asp?sCodigo=E-099/19

If anyone has any doubt, read the full report.

 

It's laughable how blatant the election fraud was.

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[SHaYap]

The breakdown... 

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When the law enforcement and military, whose duty is to keep the peace, protect citizens and the country, starts killing them instead, it is treason and traitorous, a crime to the people that they were suppose to serve and protect. 

Free and fair will now be measured by the spill of blood and the depths of graves lining the tomb of democracy. 

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[spartan max2]

I can't copy and paste the PDF on mobile for some reason.

But my two personal favorite parts from the election report are:

 The part where they say they couldn't see the original tally sheets for three departments because the sheets have been burned  lol.

And with some tally sheets they found Evo's goverment got 100 percent of the vote which everyone knows is impossible for any candidate. 

Yet people want to deny a rigged election.

 

https://www.oas.org/en/media_center/press_release.asp?sCodigo=E-099/19

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[RoofGardener]

1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:

What a nonsensical thing to say. There are countless nations I dont think about in years (Bolivia, however, is not one of them), but thats completely besides the point. A Bolivian Coup, instigated in part and fully supported by the USA, is extremely relevant.

The "coup" was instigated by the USA ? Really ? Intriguing. 

Do you have a source for that ? 

[SHaYap]

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US and OAS help overthrow another government: Behind the coup against Bolivia’s Evo Morales

• https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/14/oas-us-coup-bolivia-evo-morales/amp/

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Top Bolivian coup plotters trained by US military’s School of the Americas, served as attachés in FBI police programs

• https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/13/bolivian-coup-plotters-school-of-the-americas-fbi-police-programs/amp/

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Nobody is denying it, in fact, they're proudly admitting it, it's the will of "god"

A victory for "democracy"

More like demoncratic...

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[spartan max2]

Odd, no one had an issue with the OAS playing the same watchdog role in the 2014 elections .

 

[RoofGardener]

15 minutes ago, third_eye said:

• https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/14/oas-us-coup-bolivia-evo-morales/amp/

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• https://thegrayzone.com/2019/11/13/bolivian-coup-plotters-school-of-the-americas-fbi-police-programs/amp/

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Nobody is denying it, in fact, they're proudly admitting it, it's the will of "god"

A victory for "democracy"

More like demoncratic...

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"nobody is denying it" ? Oh REALLY ? 

Here's the thing; the US had nothing to do with it. It was a popular revolt based on election shenannigans (including Morales illegally extending his presidency beyond the term limits). 

I have no doubt that the US took a position on the events, but to accuse them of involvement is ridiculous. 

[SHaYap]

Just now, RoofGardener said:

"nobody is denying it" ? Oh REALLY ? 

Here's the thing; the US had nothing to do with it. It was a popular revolt based on election shenannigans (including Morales illegally extending his presidency beyond the term limits). 

I have no doubt that the US took a position on the events, but to accuse them of involvement is ridiculous. 

What happened to you know "nothing" that makes you such an expert at being so sure now? 

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[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, third_eye said:

What happened to you know "nothing" that makes you such an expert at being so sure now? 

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Ditto to you. What makes you an expert on Bolivia?

Let's get your stance stated offically.

Are you denying that Evo's government tried to rig an election ?

[SHaYap]

11 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Odd, no one had an issue with the OAS playing the same watchdog role in the 2014 elections .

 

Let's give this Wheel of democracy a free spin, say, if the US military and law enforcement along with the national security agencies started shooting American citizens where they stand, burning them where they live in support of one Party or the other, don't matter who and which, would that be odd or just another expression of democracy?

Wouldn't that be democrazy? 

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[spartan max2]

5 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Let's give this Wheel of democracy a free spin, say, if the US military and law enforcement along with the national security agencies started shooting American citizens where they stand, burning them where they live in support of one Party or the other, don't matter who and which, would that be odd or just another expression of democracy?

Wouldn't that be democrazy? 

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Do you deny Evo tried to rig the election? 

And do you deny that he told his supporters to blockaide the country from getting food and fuel (of which their is a literal phone recording). 

Answer the question plainly. 

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[SHaYap]

7 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Do you deny Evo tried to rig the election?

Evidence please, burned ballots? 

Who burned the ballots? 

That's right, anti Evo protester s

Extended terms? 

Their country their laws. 

100% of the votes in certain places? 

He has full support of the indigenous people in the rural area 

So why not? 

Because you that can't find Bolivia on the map say it's impossibleé?

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And do you deny that he told his supporters to blockage the city from getting food and fuel (of which their is a literal phone recording). 

Answer the question plainly. 

What's wrong with that, he was ousted by a coup, his life was in jeopardy, he's getting his country back. 

What's your deal? 

Regaining loss pride? 

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Your turn, you evaded my question, answer plainly please

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Edited December 4, 2019 by third_eye
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[spartan max2]

3 minutes ago, third_eye said:

 

100% of the votes in certain places?

He has full support of the indigenous people in the rural area 

Oh God  lol.

And Putin actually wins elections with 90 percent of the vote, okay lol.

No one ever has 100 percent of a vote anywhere in a democracy. It's impossible.

 

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[SHaYap]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Oh God  lol.

And Putin actually wins elections with 90 percent of the vote, okay lol.

No one ever has 100 percent of a vote anywhere in a democracy. It's impossible.

You didn't do the count

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You evaded my question again... 

A reminder... 

17 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Let's give this Wheel of democracy a free spin, say, if the US military and law enforcement along with the national security agencies started shooting American citizens where they stand, burning them where they live in support of one Party or the other, don't matter who and which, would that be odd or just another expression of democracy?

Wouldn't that be democrazy? 

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In plain and honest words, please... 

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[spartan max2]

@third_eye

If you want evidence read my post and actually read the links. You just count it all as "fake news".

Reports, referendums, phone calls, unexplained voter counts suspensions. 

It's all pretty clear. That's why there was a popular uprising and why so many people who were very loyal to Evo turned on him. 

Most Bolivian's seem happy about it.

They will have fair elections in a few months. Evo's party can run someone new in his place if they want.

Because no one person should rule for four terms that each last 5 years. Only dictators do that.

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[RoofGardener]

57 minutes ago, third_eye said:

What happened to you know "nothing" that makes you such an expert at being so sure now? 

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Seeemples. 

Wikipedia  

[Phaeton80]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

The "coup" was instigated by the USA ? Really ? Intriguing. 

Do you have a source for that ? 

 

Already gave at the office pal, you just didnt bother to read it because you arent interested in pesky facts.. you know, the ones damaging your 'GB/US as a good Samaritan seeding peace & democracy across the globe' paradigm.

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The preceding 21 days were filled with fractious demonstrations and counter-protests from Morales’ supporters and opponents. On October 20, Morales had secured enough votes to win the election outright in the first round without the need for a run-off against his closest challenger, Carlos Mesa. However, Mesa cried fraud, citing supposed irregularities in the vote-counting procedure, claiming Morales did not receive the requisite vote share to ensure his victory. The Organization of American States (OAS) and the U.S. government repeated this claim, although neither group provided evidence of fraud. Morales invited the OAS to audit the election as he was confident of its veracity. Indeed, a report by the Washington-based Center for Economic Policy Research found that the vote totals were “consistent” with those announced, finding no irregularities whatsoever. Despite this, the local U.S.-backed opposition went on the attack.

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The U.S. government has long opposed Morales and his Movement for Socialism party’s agenda of nationalizing Bolivia’s resources to help its people. However, it inadvertently helped him get elected in the first place. Shortly before the 2006 election, the U.S. embassy in La Paz put out a public statement saying it could, under no circumstances, accept a Morales presidency. This enormous election meddling backfired, however, as his polling numbers surged as a result.

While the Trump administration intimates that this will not be the last, the Bolivia case is merely the latest in a long line of U.S.-backed coups in the region. Historian and former State Department employee William Blum calculated that the U.S. has overthrown over 50 governments since 1945, many of them in the region it considers its “backyard.” For example, in 2009, the U.S. supported a coup against the leftist government of Manuel Zelaya, blocking any regional or international response. Hillary Clinton later boasted that, in her role as Secretary of State, she had “rendered the question of Zelaya moot.” Since 2009 the country has been ruled by a right-wing military dictatorship that brutalizes its population, leading to a mass exodus of refugees northward, one of the principal (but unspoken) drivers of the so-called refugee caravan crisis on the U.S./Mexico border.

In 2002, the U.S. sponsored and took part in a briefly successful coup against Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, only for it to be reversed by a massive display of collective solidarity from Venezuela’s people who refused to accept the situation and inspired loyal units to retake the presidential palace and rescue Chavez.

Haiti was not so lucky. President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, leader of a grassroots people’s movement, was overthrown in U.S.-backed coups in 1991 and 2004, leaving the nation with a corrupt puppet government that turned the country into the huge, impoverished sweatshop for Western corporations it is today.

This continual interference gave rise to the wry comment in Latin America that the safest place in the world is the U.S. because it is the only nation without an American embassy.

Corporate Media Obscuring Reality

There is a perfect word in the English language for when army generals appear on television demanding the resignation of an elected head of state while their allies detain and torture government officials. Yet corporate media are steadfastly refusing to frame events as a coup, instead uniformly describing Morales as “resigning.” Many did not even mention the actions of the army generals. CBS News, for example, claimed that Morales was “resigning” due to “election fraud and protests.” The New York Times asserted he “stepped down” amid “weeks of mass protests by an infuriated population that accused him of undermining democracy.” It expressed relief that his “grip on power” had finally been weakened, giving space to one commenter to claim that this marked “the end of tyranny.” Thus, the media presented the military overthrow of a democratically-elected leader as the welcome demise of a “full-blown dictatorship” and the “restoration of democracy,” rather than just the opposite, highlighting their remarkable skill with language.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/bolivia-latest-successful-us-backed-coup-latin-america/262773/

You know the mindnumbing irony of those 'altruistic', often self professed 'Christian' Americans exclaiming 'their nation is still the one people flock to', while lamenting all those illegal immigrants amassing on the border with their children in hand.. The brunt of those immigration flows are a direct result of the statecraft being effectuated in the South Americas by your own country, trying to profit as much as possible from those SA nations in favor of int corporations / elite, at the expense of the local people.. With all due consequence (which is, btw, much more grave than the migration flows building up at the US borders, but who cares right?).

The unrivalled arrogance, hypocrisy, misplaced feelings of superiority are ab- so- lutely nautiating.

Edited December 4, 2019 by Phaeton80

[RoofGardener]

4 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:

 

Already gave at the office pal, you just didnt bother to read it because you arent interested in pesky facts.. you know, the ones damaging your 'GB/US as a good Samaritan seeding peace & democracy across the globe' paradigm.

You know the mindnumbing irony of those 'altruistic', often self professed 'Christian' Americans exclaiming 'their nation is still the one people flock to', while lamenting all those illegal immigrants amassing on the border with their children in hand.. The brunt of those immigration flows are a direct result of the statecraft being effectuated in the South Americas by your own country, trying to profit as much as possible from those SA nations in favor of int corporations / elite, at the expense of the local people.. With all due consequence (which is, btw, much more grave than the migration flows building up at the US borders, but who cares right?).

The unrivalled arrogance, hypocrisy, misplaced feelings of superiority are ab- so- lutely nautiating.

And where in ANY of that does it suggest that the USA was involved in a coup ? 

And the answer is.. nowhere. 

I know you hate the USA, @Phaeton80, but.. REALLY ? 

Edited December 4, 2019 by RoofGardener

[Golden Duck]

8 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Oh PLEASE  

Admit it. You hadn't thought about Bolivia for YEARS until you read this thread  Bolivia does NOT matter to 98% of the planet. 

As for "the US is destroying millions of lives across the  globe", that is utter nonsense. Especially in relation to Bolivia.

Bolivia was there, or thereabouts, in the Venezuelan conversation.

Morales didn't follow the rest of the Latin States in condemning Maduro.

It's also awkward that Socialist Bolivia was making an economic "go of it." However, it was resources-based and wasn't going to last.

He's not quite up there with the like of Tito or Lee Kwan Yew; but, nor should he be sent to Neuremberg.

[Phaeton80]

15 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

And where in ANY of that does it suggest that the USA was involved in a coup ? 

And the answer is.. nowhere. 

I know you hate the USA, @Phaeton80, but.. REALLY ? 

If you think this coup would have gotten off the ground without the (US controlled) OAS claim of faul play, as well as the active support of the US government.. Ill just stop right there, ofcourse you would!

Besides these rather telling aspects (especially in the larger context), we have the military brass - who effectively initiated the coup - with General Williams Kaliman Romero in the lead of that move.. now residing in good ol' USA.

“At least six of the key coup plotters are alumni of the infamous School of the Americas, while [General] Kaliman and another figure served in the past as Bolivia’s military and police attachés in Washington.”

But the only 'suggestion' you would readily accept, besides all these rather obvious red flags, is a sworn affidavit from Trump explicitly stating the US' involvement, no doubt. What was your favourite passtime again, Gardening Roofs?

[spartan max2]

The OAS was Bolivia's chosen election watchdog for the last two election. Idk why they are suspect now just because they said controversial results. What proof is their that OAS is corrupt. They had about 100 people involved in working to audit elections and such, like the did the last two elections.

Also, Williams Kailman Romero was outspokenly a very loyal supporter of Evo. Appointed by Evo. Like many of the people who turned on Evo.

Also, the interum president replaced him with a new guy to head the military.

She also promises new election "within 90 days".

On another note, my brother is in the military, he has had training courses in Korea and Germany, taught by the Koreans and Germans. Does that mean he is a spy for Korea and Germany ? Lol

 

Edited December 4, 2019 by spartan max2

[Golden Duck]

31 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

The OAS was Bolivia's chosen election watchdog for the last two election. Idk why they are suspect now just because they said controversial results. What proof is their that OAS is corrupt. They had about 100 people involved in working to audit elections and such, like the did the last two elections.

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The agenda if the OAS will change with that of its member states. Trump and Bolsonaro are Anti-Bolivarian.