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How will Impeachment play out?


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2 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

That's some pretty weak return on three years' investment in trying to topple Trump.  A wimpy "moral victory".

I guess that's what passes for a Dem "win" these days.

No thats whats called doing the right thing. It is interesting how foreign of a concept that is to Trumpians.

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1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

Just google it.

 

Didn't he also go to England on a last ditch effort to convince the British to not vote for Brexit? That's what kills me about the feigned outrage over Russia's small time Facebook campaign in our elections. Does this meddling business really surprise or shock anybody? It shouldn't happen but it does happen everywhere and it's highly ineffectual. Who knows, maybe if "tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after the election" took Romney more seriously he wouldn't have dismissed concerns about Russia as 1980's policy. Why is that never brought up? Ain't that funny about the left? Only a few years ago Russia was all chummy. The awe-shucks Joe Biden of unfriendly nations. Now today, to quote Romney 2012, they're the biggest geopolitical threat on the planet. A second world nation so competent they can run their own country with an iron fist and control ours at will. 

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3 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Didn't he also go to England on a last ditch effort to convince the British to not vote for Brexit?

No. He did answer a question and say that England would be behind larger trading partners in priority if they chose to leave the EU. Right wing media spun that into him trying to interfere in their election. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Now today, to quote Romney 2012, they're the biggest geopolitical threat on the planet. A second world nation so competent they can run their own country with an iron fist and control ours at will. 

That second world nation has one of the two major political political parties in the US and their POTUS repeating their propaganda. Clearly theyre doing enough to be considered a threat.

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5 minutes ago, F3SS said:

Didn't he also go to England on a last ditch effort to convince the British to not vote for Brexit? That's what kills me about the feigned outrage over Russia's small time Facebook campaign in our elections. Does this meddling business really surprise or shock anybody? It shouldn't happen but it does happen everywhere and it's highly ineffectual. Who knows, maybe if "tell Vlad I'll have more flexibility after the election" took Romney more seriously he wouldn't have dismissed concerns about Russia as 1980's policy. Why is that never brought up? Ain't that funny about the left? Only a few years ago Russia was all chummy. The awe-shucks Joe Biden of unfriendly nations. Now today, to quote Romney 2012, they're the biggest geopolitical threat on the planet. A second world nation so competent they can run their own country with an iron fist and control ours at will. 

There was no evidence of tampering at any ballot so, really, that's where the election interference investigation should of ended.  Information is essentially global these days.  There's no way you can have a media embargo beyond sovereign borders. 

Voters still have to make up their own mind.

Remember when Comey was called the "Kingmaker" back in 2016?

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12 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Just google it.  Pick a source.  I got almost 6 million hits.  Here’s an interesting site:

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

Thank you very much, that is some good information I appreciate your time

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15 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

No thats whats called doing the right thing. It is interesting how foreign of a concept that is to Trumpians.

Apparently there are a lot of sharp Dem supporters out there right now crowing on the internet that "Trump just got impeached from the White House".

Perhaps you could help some brothers out by explaining that Trump ain't going anywhere.

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LOL I just popped into #qanon twitter and those folks are not taking it well

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37 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

LOL if all other presidents acted in such a manner then they should have been impeached so that is a good question. Perhaps this will serve as a lesson to future POTUS'

Showing your ignorance again.  The reason President’s don’t get impeached over this is because it is one of the President’s most valuable powers.  The Progs think that the people are stupid and that they can be hoodwinked.  This is an abuse of power by the House.  The Progs are trying to usurp Presidential powers.

 

Oh denial is so sweet isnt it?

No denial, just a joke.  It made the Congress a laughing stock to the world.

 

I mean because when people talk about Bill Clinton the first thing that comes to mind is his balanced budget right? Of course not. The first thought is that he was impeached.

Actually that he was impeached is one of the last things that come to mind.  How he shamed Bush by borrowing from the future budget to have a zero deficit before he left office.  Hilarycare (that gawd awful chart).  The nickname of Slick Willy.  And buzzwords like Smoke&Mirrors and the tail wagging the dog.  Then the phrase “what the definition of is, is”.  Those are the lasting gems.  I wasn’t all into his impeachment.  A lot of Presidents were players.  This was clearly partisanship but it doesn’t compare to the absurdity of the current impeachment.  Clinton’s had substance, despite it being stupid.  I think that Comey’s press conference about Hilary was meant to cover for her so that she couldn’t be impeached if she became President.  It would be the first husband and wife duo to be impeached.

 

Same will be true with Trump , forever.

Again, this impeachment will be just an asterisk in the history books as a phony impeachment.  It won’t phase Trump one bit.  The next time he needs to leverage his power onto a foreign leader, he’ll do the same thing.  He’ll do what every other President has done to discharge his duties.  We’ll just have to wait for the indictments to play out to see how deep Joe Biden goes?  Giuliani just recently returned from the Ukraine.  What information does he have?  Has he got with Durham yet?

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35 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

owing your ignorance again.  The reason President’s don’t get impeached over this is because it is one of the President’s most valuable powers.  The Progs think that the people are stupid and that they can be hoodwinked.  This is an abuse of power by the House.  The Progs are trying to usurp Presidential powers.

:lol: No using the power of the office to force foreign interference into an election is not one of the Presidents most valuable powers. 

 

udge Andrew Napolitano: Impeachment needed for Trump – He tried to unlawfully put his needs above nation’s

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High crimes and misdemeanors is a basis for impeachment, the constitutional remedy for presidential behavior that subverts our democratic institutions. In Trump's case, we have undisputed evidence that he abused his power by inviting a foreign government to interfere in the 2020 presidential election and then compounded this by directing subordinates to refrain from giving congressionally commanded evidence of his behavior.

It is undisputed that Trump withheld the delivery of the $391 million in military aid to Ukraine that Congress authorized and ordered and that Trump himself signed into law. He said he withheld that aid because he first wanted "a favor" from the president of Ukraine.

The favor, requested by others on Trump's behalf, was the announcement of a Ukrainian government criminal investigation of Trump's potential political adversary, former Vice President Joe Biden. In the language of the streets, this is a shakedown; it sought to enhance Trump's personal political needs and bears no relationship to American foreign policy.

That presidential behavior implicates two crimes. One is the federal prohibition on soliciting campaign aid from a foreign government -- whether the aid arrives or not. It did not.

The other crime is bribery, which is the exploitation of public duties for personal gain. Bribery consists of the intentional refusal to perform a required public duty -- here, releasing the $391 million to Ukraine -- until a personal thing of value -- here, the announcement of the Ukrainian investigation of Biden -- arrives. The crime of bribery is complete when the thing of value is solicited, whether it arrives or not. It did not.

The other crimes implicated by Trump's behavior took place after he was accused of the first two. Then, he directed his subordinates to disregard congressional subpoenas, lawfully issued and validly served, which sought testimony, documents and electronic records of the president's behavior.

We know from the impeachment charges recommended by the House Judiciary Committee against Nixon and voted by the House of Representatives against Clinton that obstructing the constitutional duty of Congress is impeachable. We also know from the Roger Clemens case, in which he was prosecuted, and acquitted, for obstruction of Congress by allegedly lying to a House committee, that obstruction can be criminal.

Because Trump declined to participate in the House investigation that resulted in the construction of the articles of impeachment against him -- except for his tweets and bluster and the Republicans' personal attacks on House Democratic committee chairs -- the facts underlying the charges against Trump are essentially uncontested.

Everyone who believes in the rule of law should be terrified of a president who thinks and behaves as if it does not apply to him. As the DOJ has stated repeatedly, impeachment is the proper constitutional remedy for that.

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

We’ll just have to wait for the indictments to play out to see how deep Joe Biden goes?  Giuliani just recently returned from the Ukraine.  What information does he have?  Has he got with Durham yet?

You still really dont get it do you? They absolutely will get arrests and prosecutions and "convictions" . Thats what tyrants do. That is what the people you are supporting are creating.

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6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And buzzwords like Smoke&Mirrors and the tail wagging the dog.  Then the phrase “what the definition of is, is”.  Those are the lasting gems.  I wasn’t all into his impeachment. 

Psssst those are all about his impeachment

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16 minutes ago, acidhead said:

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The Q crowd is pumping out the propaganda like MAD. I cant imagine we make it a week without one of them resorting to violence over this (Trump included).  I just saw this gem

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3 hours ago, pallidin said:

Trump will survive the Senate; they all have... but he is now permanently marred.

I suspect that Trump will effort towards some unusually extraordinary effort to have his impeachment expunged... which won't  work.

Despite accusations to the contrary, he isn't stupid.  He knows that he's powerless to stop the vote and that he has to accept the action they took as a mark against him but what they don't seem to ever be able to grasp is that when you punch Trump he ALWAYS, ALWAYS punches back harder.  They've done their worst now.  They have nothing left that anyone is going to take seriously.  I saw where Nancy has said she might wait to submit the articles to the Senate because she doesn't believe they'll get a "fair" hearing.  I wouldn't put it past Mitch to say, okay, we'll just dismiss them for the nonsense they are.  It isn't like the whole world didn't watch the hearings and see the "evidence".

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1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

:lol: No using the power of the office to force foreign interference into an election is not one of the Presidents most valuable powers.

The President is this nation’s chief law enforcement officer.  If Biden wasn’t a candidate, then there wouldn’t be an issue?  If Biden is corrupt (which he is), then one wouldn’t need to invent dirt like the Deep State did to Trump.  There is nothing wrong using foreign sources to dig up dirt, especially if it is true.  It is the President’s prerogative to look into it to make that determination.  The public would need to know this before an election.  We readily use foreign sources for any number of needs.  Asking for help is not inviting foreign interference.  It is seeking the truth.  In fact, it is the House that is trying to influence an election and I think it just backfired.

There is also this concept you seem to not be able to comprehend.  And that is that the Executive and the Legislative branches are *COEQUAL*.  That doesn’t mean t that either are above the law but they can both basically give the other the finger.  Indeed, the legislative writes the laws and the Executive enforces them.  That does not mean that the legislative can control the actions of the Executive.  When there is an impasse is where the Judicial comes into play to referee.

You still really dont get it do you? They absolutely will get arrests and prosecutions and "convictions" . Thats what tyrants do. That is what you the people you are supporting are creating.

No, you don’t get it!  Except that in this case, it will be the tyrants that will receive their just deserts.  And justice will be reestablished in this nation.  Hopefully Barr will treat Comey, H Biden, the Whistleblower, et al. the same way Mueller treated Flynn, Manafort, and Papadopoulos.  We The People support that which we elected.  Someone to cut out the corruption.  The Left are desperate in their TDS, accusing Trump and anyone else of the corruption they do.  That is getting old and guarantees Trump’s reelection.

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2 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Now that's one thing the President hasn't called her yet, but I suppose it's coming.

Trump hasn't, but most everyone else have.  :tu:

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1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

 

Psssst those are all about his impeachment

No they are not.  Only that last one is.  That’s why I listed it last because that’s where it belongs.  There’s one more that I forgot and that is “I did not have sex with that woman!”.  That one belongs with his impeachment.  It’s more hilarious than anything else.

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18 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

We The People support that which we elected. 

The majority of the country however sees the clown show of lies and corruption that it turned into and approve of Donald John Trump forever being forced to identify as someone so corrupt congress impeached him.

18 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The President is this nation’s chief law enforcement officer.  If Biden wasn’t a candidate, then there wouldn’t be an issue? 

See what you cant get around is the insistence of the public announcement of the investigation. That serves no purpose but to damage Trumps political opponent.

18 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

There is nothing wrong using foreign sources to dig up dirt, especially if it is true. 

This right here is the problem with having an unrepentant liar with no respect for the rule of law and his lackeys in the white house and the halls of congress. It also quite nicely highlights the importance of labeling him as such via impeachment

We all know this. We all saw this happen in real time. And yet here we are with you people making ridiculous claims.

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52 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

The Q crowd is pumping out the propaganda like MAD. I cant imagine we make it a week without one of them resorting to violence over this (Trump included).  I just saw this gem

The only place I see qanon referenced is from you.  It bears no importance to anything.

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2 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

The only place I see qanon referenced is from you.  It bears no importance to anything.

 

I had just seen the meme that acid head posted on qanon twitter minutes before he posted it, hence the comment.

 

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3 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

No I didn't know Obama tried to hack the Israeli Elections. Do you have any information on that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

The term "hack" has come to mean something different than it originally did.  Since Russia is supposed to have hacked our election by spreading propaganda, it changes the meaning.  Most people think of hacking as tricks done in cyberspace.  Many Americans have actually bought into the lie that Russians changed votes to favor Trump in the election.  The machines are never attached to the internet.

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2 hours ago, acidhead said:

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That’s it. There’s the 2020 election right there. Damn it, he’s won.

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2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

The Q crowd is pumping out the propaganda like MAD. I cant imagine we make it a week without one of them resorting to violence over this (Trump included).  I just saw this gem

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Ohh wow, that’s STUNNINGLY ignorant. That’s KING George Washington from Assassin’s Creed.

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4 hours ago, F3SS said:

My blood isn't boiling. There was no suspense to this. We've had the script to this show since 2016. I'm happy they've done it. They've pleased no one but the ardent few. 

 

ok...... well my blood is boiling over it and I'm not even American :) 

before the election I didn't know hardly anything about Trump but I feel protective towards
him now.... because of the blatantly unfair way he's being treated .... 24/7....

and this latest thing is more of the same but taking it onto a different level..

but I'm glad if you and other Americans aren't letting it bother you - I suppose you are more
used to the antics of the Democrat Party than I am...

 

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