How will Impeachment play out?

[acidhead]

One of the D's witnesses in the Congressional Impeachment trial:

 

[F3SS]

1 hour ago, and then said:

She had professionals handle it and as I recall they did an excellent job.  The question I had was about timing.  If the Russians initiated that hack hours after his speech then why does that article mention that the emails had already been deleted?  I don't see how both can be accurate.

I'm 99% sure the Russians had already began their thing prior to his comment. I haven't the energy or desire to look it up atm.

[F3SS]

Such a somber moment huh?

Hacks

[Tatetopa]

6 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

You still dont get it, it wasn't humour either lol.

I guess I don't.  Did you write it on a laptop while sitting in a bierhalle in Munich?   Are you going to suggest Trump followers burn down Congress next?  That worked in the past.  Maybe you could suggest that to Boris too.

[Doug1029]

6 hours ago, skliss said:

If this were a legal case it would have been thrown out based on lack of evidence. It never would have reached a trial.  And we'll see, it may be unconstitutional for her to withhold the articles. I'm sure someone is looking into it.

Trump's televised admission isn't enough?  Not to mention his own "transcription" of his "prefect" letter?  And the testimony of a bunch of witnesses?  I'd hate to be your lawyer.

Doug

[Doug1029]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

One of the D's witnesses in the Congressional Impeachment trial:

Seems that's a rather academic question.

Doug

[Farmer77]

13 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Have you read the latest? Pelosi isnt going to send it to the Senate till it can get a "Fair" vote.

Shes just taking a couple of days to make sure the headlines are all about how McConnell is working with the WH instead of being a fair juror. It basically forces the media to play Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnells words over and over again to an American general public who is just now really starting to pay true attention.

Smart politics.

[+and-then]

Seems all it will require is for McConnell to get the 51 votes for a Senate rules change.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/giancarlo-canaparo-pelosi-cant-stop-trumps-trial-in-the-senate

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, and then said:

Seems all it will require is for McConnell to get the 51 votes for a Senate rules change.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/giancarlo-canaparo-pelosi-cant-stop-trumps-trial-in-the-senate

Yeah its pretty up in the air as if to whether he actually has 51 though.

[acidhead]

1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

Yeah its pretty up in the air as if to whether he actually has 51 though.

You never know until it happens

[Farmer77]

Just now, acidhead said:

You never know until it happens

I think thats why ive keyed in on the upcoming senate rules vote so much, its one of the few things in all of this that we dont know whats going to happen.

[Farmer77]

Woah.......this could change the calculus in the Senate.

This evangelical Christian magazine just stunned readers by calling for Trump’s removal

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Editor-in-Chief Mark Galli of Christianity Today — a prominent evangelical magazine — took a bold step Thursday by publishing an editorial calling for the removal of President Donald Trump, who was impeached just a day before.

Galli affirmed some of the Republican talking points about impeachment, saying that “Democrats have had it out for him from day one,” that the motives of the impeachers should be treated with suspicion, and that Trump wasn’t treated fairly enough in the House of Representatives’ inquiry.

And yet, he said the facts of the case against Trump are “unambiguous.”

“The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents,” wrote Galli. “That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.”

 

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Remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider how your justification of Mr. Trump influences your witness to your Lord and Savior. Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency. If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come? Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Farmer77

[Hankenhunter]

23 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

LOL I just popped into #qanon twitter and those folks are not taking it well

Holeee crap. I wandered around for 10 minutes and it felt like I was on a bad acid trip. These are seriously deluded, deranged, and sick people. It's a dystopic miasma of misery that pulses like an angry boil on humanities nether region. 

[RavenHawk]

15 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

The Republican strategy for the trial is to avoid calling any fact witnesses, then complain that there are no fact witnesses.

Try again.  Those that I listed *ARE* fact witnesses.  There are plenty of fact witnesses.  The Progs produced only one fact witness and he wouldn’t compose for them.

 

Beyond that, they'll have to convince enough Senators to go along with them.

That’s the job of the prosecution, to prove guilt.  It’s not the job of the President to prove innocence.  That is a given.  Now that Pelosi is too chicken to file the articles with the Senate, it is beginning to look like it will be DOA when it does show up.

 

Certainly, any of those witnesses could add light to the question.  Be careful what you wish for - you might get your way.

Yes they can and that is what is needed.  Trump wants them to bring it.  He’s taken it for three years, it’s his turn now to dish it out.

 

About McConnell not calling the bill to the floor.  There are seven or eight Republican Senators whose constituents want a trial and whose votes they will need in November.  That may have something to do with McConnell getting his way.

You’re comparing two different things.  Their reelection is not pending on if there is a trial or not.  I want a trial.  Trump wants a trial.  In the end it really doesn’t matter.  By next November, Trump will be exonerated.  And the real trials will begin.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

“The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents,” wrote Galli. “That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.”

And that’s not what happened.  Trump is the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.  It is his job to root out corruption.  Biden is not above the law.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, RavenHawk said:

And that’s not what happened.  Trump is the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.  It is his job to root out corruption.  Biden is not above the law.

Again demanding a press conference announcing investigations has nothing to do with enforcing the law. You just cant escape that fact. 

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

And that’s not what happened.  Trump is the nation’s chief law enforcement officer.  It is his job to root out corruption.  Biden is not above the law.

I know!  After paying a $2 million fine for stealing from charity, why doesn't anyone believe Trump is fighting corruption?

[RavenHawk]

So let me get this straight.  Trump is an existential threat to our democracy.  The House rushed a non-bipartisan vote to impeach as if an imminent threat needed to be dealt with.  Now, all the Progs flee the capitol to be with families instead of seeing this to the Senate.  And Pelosi refuses to file.  That doesn’t sound serious, sad, or solemn.  Sounds pretty unimportant to me.  And they expect us to take it seriously?

[RavenHawk]

7 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Again demanding a press conference announcing investigations has nothing to do with enforcing the law. You just cant escape that fact. 

Fighting corruption is enforcing the law.  Trump has had a front seat in Washington for three years now.  He has an idea of where the corruption lies and he’s going after it.  He has promised to drain the swamp and this is what it looks like.  And the guilty will not be able to escape that fact!

[RavenHawk]

8 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I know!  After paying a $2 million fine for stealing from charity, why doesn't anyone believe Trump is fighting corruption?

That’s basically a process crime.  Wealthy people stumble on money management issues all the time.  That doesn’t mean someone is corrupt.  I’m not talking about petty stuff like this.  I’m talking about real corruption, real collusion, real bribery, real extortion.  Of which, and not excluded to, what Hilary and Biden have committed.

[Farmer77]

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

So let me get this straight.  Trump is an existential threat to our democracy.  The House rushed a non-bipartisan vote to impeach as if an imminent threat needed to be dealt with.  Now, all the Progs flee the capitol to be with families instead of seeing this to the Senate.  And Pelosi refuses to file.  That doesn’t sound serious, sad, or solemn.  Sounds pretty unimportant to me.  And they expect us to take it seriously?

 

Actually this is a very smart play to force the GOP to take it seriously. Now over the break all the media will be replaying McConnnels words saying he is working hand in hand with the WH and Graham saying he isnt an impartial juror.

3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Fighting corruption is enforcing the law.  Trump has had a front seat in Washington for three years now.  He has an idea of where the corruption lies and he’s going after it.  He has promised to drain the swamp and this is what it looks like.  And the guilty will not be able to escape that fact!

 

Yeah still the whole  must have a public press conference announcing an investigation, NOT into corruption in general but into the Bidens specifically, shows its an abuse of office on his part.

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Fighting corruption is enforcing the law.  Trump has had a front seat in Washington for three years now.  He has an idea of where the corruption lies and he’s going after it.  He has promised to drain the swamp and this is what it looks like.  And the guilty will not be able to escape that fact!

 

Yup!  And the corruption is in Ukraine and only the Ukrainians can investigate it (or at least declare that on TV) because the American justice system is corrupt, broken and not to be trusted!  Can't leave an important investigation like the Bidens to an unreliable peon like Barr for instance.

[Gromdor]

Just now, RavenHawk said:

That’s basically a process crime.  Wealthy people stumble on money management issues all the time.  That doesn’t mean someone is corrupt.  I’m not talking about petty stuff like this.  I’m talking about real corruption, real collusion, real bribery, real extortion.  Of which, and not excluded to, what Hilary and Biden have committed.

 

Yeah, I wish I could "process" some money from a children's cancer fund into my pockets like Trump did.  Or buy a $20,000 picture of myself with your money.

[RavenHawk]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Actually this is a very smart play to force the GOP to take it seriously.

Then Pelosi has failed very badly.  Because the GOP now takes it less seriously.  They take the abuse of power by the House very seriously.

 

Now over the break all the media will be replaying McConnnels words saying he is working hand in hand with the WH and Graham saying he isnt an impartial juror.

And Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, et al are impartial?  Over the break, this will backfire on the Progs, like everything else.

 

Yeah still the whole  must have a public press conference announcing an investigation, NOT into corruption in general but into the Bidens specifically, shows its an abuse of office on his part.

That would be up to the Senate and DOJ to investigate.  Biden has already provided the evidence and the guilt.  There is something in the works that the GOP hasn’t revealed yet.  What did Giuliani bring back from his recent trip to Ukraine?  What does Durham know?  We know Comey is under investigation and now Brennan.  Biden will be the weak link here.  It could go very hard for him.

[Farmer77]

9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That would be up to the Senate and DOJ to investigate.  Biden has already provided the evidence and the guilt.  There is something in the works that the GOP hasn’t revealed yet.  What did Giuliani bring back from his recent trip to Ukraine?  What does Durham know?  We know Comey is under investigation and now Brennan.  Biden will be the weak link here.  It could go very hard for him.

Giuliani brought rumor and innuendo from world renowned crooks.

Stay tuned though! Next week they're gonna get em! Or at least thats what ya'll tell me every week. Eventually you will be right. Violent acts are just the next logical step for this regime.

9 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Then Pelosi has failed very badly.  Because the GOP now takes it less seriously. 

Based on the words of some in the senate thats literally impossible.

Of course its not those guys you need to be worried about. You need to be worried about the true Constitutionalist christian conservatives in the senate. Folks who have had a hard time with Trump's behaviors all along that are now forced to choose whether to protect their seat and party or the Constitution. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Farmer77