How will Impeachment play out?

[RoofGardener]

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13 minutes ago, Setton said:

Look, if you've had enough of independence, I'm sure we'll happily take you back 

An old one, but a good one....... 

NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE

To all the citizens of the United States of America,

In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective today.

Her Britannic Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II, will resume sovereign duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories. Except Utah, which she does not fancy. Your new Prime Minister (The Rt. Hon. Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

1. You should look up “revocation” in the Oxford English Dictionary. Then look up “aluminium”. Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. Generally, you should raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up “vocabulary”. Using the same twenty seven words interspersed with filler noises such as “like” and “you know” is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up “interspersed”.

2. There is no such thing as “US English”. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf.

3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents. It really isn’t that hard.

4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the good guys.

5. You should relearn your original national anthem, “God Save The Queen”, but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get confused and give up half way through.

6. You should stop playing American “football”. There is only one kind of football. What you refer to as American “football” is not a very good game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders may have noticed that no one else plays “American” football. You will no longer be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially, it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar to American “football”, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005.

7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that there is a world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have never been the bad guys. “Merde” is French for “****”.

8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 8th will be a new national holiday, but only in England. It will be called “Indecisive Day”.

9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are crap and it is for your own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.

10. Please tell us who killed JFK. It’s been driving us crazy.

God Save the Queen!

 

[Setton]

1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

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An old one, but a good one....... 

That's the one I was thinking of 

Surprised you want Blair as PM though. Have you given up on Boris already? 

[RoofGardener]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

That's the one I was thinking of 

Surprised you want Blair as PM though. Have you given up on Boris already? 

Noooooooooo.... I want's Boris. 

Blair is FAR too right-wing for my tastes !  

[RavenHawk]

6 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Yeah, I wish I could "process" some money from a children's cancer fund into my pockets like Trump did.  Or buy a $20,000 picture of myself with your money.

I don’t think anybody knows the full story.  It was his own charity.  He could do whatever he wishes with it.  Just because it’s labeled a “children's cancer fund” doesn’t means that it was effective.  Perhaps Trump didn’t like that most of the funds might have been going to the pockets of administrators??  He could be far more effective by donating directly to another charity?  This is just a ploy by the Left to throw dirt.  “Taking money from a children’s charity” is BAAAD.  Why wait to understand what is going on, and just create bad press.  The Left isn’t learning that something like that backfires.  That is so disingenuous.  The Left is shameless.  So how many Ukrainians died from withholding lethal aid for a few days?  Can you say sensationalism?!  We can play that game too.  How many Ukrainians actually died when Obama refused to give them lethal aid and instead, gave them blankets?  Just in time to wrap up the mangled bodies?  JUST STOP IT!  Stop with your stupidity!!

[RavenHawk]

4 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Donald Trump becomes third US president in history to be impeached

So you’ve achieved your goal for the last 3 years, congratulations.  That doesn’t mean much you know.  You'll find it kind of a hollow victory as the days go by.  Especially if it never reaches the Senate.  Trump will just become the Bad Boy and people love the Bad Boy.  You’ve just elevated Trump’s “untouchability” .   Thank you!

[+susieice]

Just now, RavenHawk said:

So you’ve achieved your goal for the last 3 years, congratulations.  That doesn’t mean much you know.  You'll find it kind of a hollow victory as the days go by.  Especially if it never reaches the Senate.  Trump will just become the Bad Boy and people love the Bad Boy.  You’ve just elevated Trump’s “untouchability” .   Thank you!

 

Trump won't be impeached if it never reaches the Senate. The House only voted for impeachment.

[Doug1029]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

I don’t think anybody knows the full story.  It was his own charity.  He could do whatever he wishes with it. 

Actually, no he couldn't.  Money given to a charity is not the same as money given to the manager of that charity.  Because people gave to what they believed was a charitable purpose, the manager must honor their wishes by using that money in support of the cause for which it was given.  That's the law.  Trump, as manager of the charity, must obey that law.

Doug

[+DieChecker]

4 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Sure but even a historically popular president like Clinton is identified as being impeached when having historic conversations. Do you think that wont be true for an historically unpopular president?

Unpopular? He's got about the same favorability as Obama did at this time in his presidency. Unpopular is in the eye of the beholder.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/116479/barack-obama-presidential-job-approval.aspx

Trump

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

Given, theres about a 4 to 5 percent increase in Trumps disapproval, but that shouldnt mean wildly unpopular.

Less then normal popular? Sure. But not crazy unpopular.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

FiveThirtyEight has Trump basically the same as Obama in year 3 Dec.

43% approve. 52% disapprove.

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Yeah those are the Graham folks and their readership generally is clergy. The potential impact of that article is huge especially considering there is an evangelical Pence standing in line waiting.

Possibly, but being an actual Evangelical, I doubt it.

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Exactly.  It appears that the GOP had such success with that (factually inaccurate) tactic that Pelosi has decided to copy it.

Of course where she wins this round is having the GOP leadership on record stating their intent is for it to be an unfair trial.

True, but we have several Ds stating, "Whatever the cost". Not Pelosi, but her minions. Shes too wily to be caught with a stupid remark.

Edited December 20, 2019 by DieChecker

[Doug1029]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

So you’ve achieved your goal for the last 3 years, congratulations.  That doesn’t mean much you know.  You'll find it kind of a hollow victory as the days go by.  Especially if it never reaches the Senate.  Trump will just become the Bad Boy and people love the Bad Boy.  You’ve just elevated Trump’s “untouchability” .   Thank you!

 

The Dem strategy is to let the Senators go home for Christmas break where they can talk to their constituents and find out which way the winds are blowing.  Among Dems, 86% favor a fair and impartial trial.  The number is 64% among Rubs.  There are a number of Senators who need their constituents' votes in November in order to stay in office.  The Dems are counting on them hearing the message from back home.  Then, if just four Rub Senators decide to vote with the Dems on calling Trump's aides as witnesses, the evidence will be heard in the Senate without a summary dismissal.  The Dems are counting on that evidence going public, creating pressure to remove Trump from office.

Doug

[Doug1029]

2 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Given, theres about a 4 to 5 percent increase in Trumps disapproval, but that shouldnt mean wildly unpopular.

In American politics a 55% majority is considered a "landslide."

Doug

[+DieChecker]

Just now, Doug1029 said:

In American politics a 55% majority is considered a "landslide."

Doug

And often, a Mandate. Though anyone who knows anything understands that's just political grandstanding.

[+DieChecker]

My favorite example of response to the impeachment vote was the reaction of the Stock Market.

Reaction = Zero.

Greta Thurberg come to talk at the UN and markets react. UK votes Conservative and markets react. House votes for impeachment and markets..... nothing...

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

Look, if you've had enough of independence, I'm sure we'll happily take you back 

Thanks but unfortunately, I don't think you really understand what true independents means. While I am certain you mean well. I would be glad to teach you and help you find out what true independence means and how good it can feel. 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

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An old one, but a good one....... 

 

 

Nah, you guys tried that in 1812, and we sent you packing. Here is something to help you remember.

 

Edited December 20, 2019 by Manwon Lender

[Doug1029]

18 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

My favorite example of response to the impeachment vote was the reaction of the Stock Market.

Reaction = Zero.

Greta Thurberg come to talk at the UN and markets react. UK votes Conservative and markets react. House votes for impeachment and markets..... nothing...

Wall Street doesn't think this is going to make any difference.

Doug

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

 

Umm.. the constitution ? 

HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THAT I HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE. I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW THAT <kaboom > . 

Oh blast, now my head has exploded. BAH !

Funilly enough, our works christmas do tonight is in a Bierkeller in Nottingham. I shall take my laptop ! 

 

Is he ? I know he is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, but I don't believe he has any formal Law Enforcement function ? 

I can't believe that Nancy Pelosi is actually DOING this.... delaying forwarding the articles of impeachment to the Senate. This smacks - to me - of absolute desperation. 

Indeed. And the third president to be acquitted by the Senate  

Thanks I needed a laugh this morning,  she is not just delaying things. She is not going to send it to the Senate, that way he is impeached, and it is going to suck having that hanging over his head through this reelection campaign. I think she is doing this to strengthen their case, and to look for more issues to add to it, all the way up to the end of the election process.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Manwon Lender

[Setton]

42 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thanks but unfortunately, I don't think you really understand what true independents means. While I am certain you mean well. I would be glad to teach you and help you find out what true independence means and how good it can feel. 

 

@RoofGardener Do you think they remove the sense of humour before or after the ability to speak English properly? 

[Space Commander Travis]

I don't want to step on Acidhead's toes, as he's the one who usually posts posts from Social Media, but this seems apposite:

 

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Definition of Impeachment (modern): A process by which the party out of power shows the world how they got that way. Happens most commonly right before a landslide reelection.

 

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[Space Commander Travis]

55 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

My favorite example of response to the impeachment vote was the reaction of the Stock Market.

Reaction = Zero.

Greta Thurberg come to talk at the UN and markets react. UK votes Conservative and markets react. House votes for impeachment and markets..... nothing...

that's what They (the Democranks) are doing wrong. Never mind Nancy Pelancy and all the rest of those strident old farts, they just want Greta standing up and pointing her tremulous Finger of Indignation. 

[Gromdor]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I don’t think anybody knows the full story.  It was his own charity.  He could do whatever he wishes with it.  Just because it’s labeled a “children's cancer fund” doesn’t means that it was effective.  Perhaps Trump didn’t like that most of the funds might have been going to the pockets of administrators??  He could be far more effective by donating directly to another charity?  This is just a ploy by the Left to throw dirt.  “Taking money from a children’s charity” is BAAAD.  Why wait to understand what is going on, and just create bad press.  The Left isn’t learning that something like that backfires.  That is so disingenuous.  The Left is shameless.  So how many Ukrainians died from withholding lethal aid for a few days?  Can you say sensationalism?!  We can play that game too.  How many Ukrainians actually died when Obama refused to give them lethal aid and instead, gave them blankets?  Just in time to wrap up the mangled bodies?  JUST STOP IT!  Stop with your stupidity!!

  Not knowing the full story is a result of your own desire to be ignorant of it.  You can read the court filings and a myriad of articles on it.  Trump was the administrator whose pockets it went into. It didn't go into another charity it went into his pockets.

  A word of advice, you can't claim knowledge or credibility on a topic if you say, "nobody knows the full story" and then try to bring up something else like its fact.  If you are ignorant about the circumstances about Trump's charity, it's safe to assume you are ignorant about the circumstances of Obama's aid deal.

[ian hacktorp]

31 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

She is not going to send it to the Senate, that way he is impeached, and it is going to suck having that hanging over his head through this reelection campaign.

“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.”  - Noah Feldman, one of the Democrats’ top impeachment witnesses against President Donald Trump

"Until they (Pelosi) turn over the papers (to the Senate), the impeachment didn't happen".  - Rep. Steve Scalise

 

Don't fall for the hoax.  The Dems are COWARDS and will not impeach.

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

My favorite example of response to the impeachment vote was the reaction of the Stock Market.

Reaction = Zero.

Greta Thurberg come to talk at the UN and markets react. UK votes Conservative and markets react. House votes for impeachment and markets..... nothing...

  Well, my Alibaba has been going up.  But you know- Chinese company that sells primarily in China.  Nothing really to do with the US except for being listed on the US stock exchange,  Similarly with my VALE stocks,  Iron producers in Brazil.

  If you want to see how Globalism is doing, then the Stock Exchange is the marker.  It's why a Swedish girl speaking in another country affects it.  Trump can affect it too, but it's not something that is particularly great for America.  It's just a market that sells ownership of companies.  The only two things America related are that primarily most of the companies are American (but are they really if they are headquartered outside the US for tax haven purposes) and they are listed in the US.  Never understood why Trump was trying to link himself to it all the time.  The average American has nothing really to do with it.

[Gromdor]

5 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.”  - Noah Feldman, one of the Democrats’ top impeachment witnesses against President Donald Trump

"Until they (Pelosi) turn over the papers (to the Senate), the impeachment didn't happen".  - Rep. Steve Scalise

 

Don't fall for the hoax.  The Dems are COWARDS and will not impeach.

Umm.  Didn't you say that the Supreme Court was going to force all this to happen and like next week?  You are going all over the place.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

“If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.”  - Noah Feldman, one of the Democrats’ top impeachment witnesses against President Donald Trump

"Until they (Pelosi) turn over the papers (to the Senate), the impeachment didn't happen".  - Rep. Steve Scalise

 

Don't fall for the hoax.  The Dems are COWARDS and will not impeach.

Please send me a link to the Constitution or where a precedent has been made that says that. The House impeaches, there is no time limit that's says when the house must send the impeachment documents to the Senate. While there is little that can be done using this type of process the President is impeached. 

Like i said I doubt he wants this hanging over his head during reelection. In addition I think they are doing it to look fir more problems that they can add to the impeachment documents. 

I don't agree with it but, the facts are the facts.

[ian hacktorp]

3 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Umm.  Didn't you say that the Supreme Court was going to force all this to happen and like next week?  You are going all over the place.

I said the Supreme Court can force either that or dropping of the articles of impeachment altogether.  Either of those will first require action by the Executive to demonstrate a deadlock to the SC.  And the SC will act swiftly in that case.

The Dems are COWARDS and will not impeach.  The next move belongs to Trump.