Mr Walker 6,726 #2276 Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Ugh, Not talking about the historical Jesus, Walls. your post said this And how many just assume he was a real person. I did too, once. So indeed, here, you ARE speaking about a real person. You have just said so .You've just said you no longer consider jesus to have been a real person. If you are talking about the mythical jesus you are, perhaps, NOT talking of a real person, but you need to make that clear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 72,597 #2277 Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: In the case of christ there is almost universal professional understanding that he was a real preacher and teacher who was killed by somebody At least this is how it's seen in Princeton,and Haverford among other's. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2278 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: yep.. now what? That's it. Anyone can (logically and rationally) believe anything, if there are no evidences conclusively proving something, one way or the other. What you choose to believe or disbelieve generally depends on your own psychological make up and needs. Your capacity for, and tendency to, belief (including disbelief) will be determined by other psychological factors in your make up. (you and yours used generically) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 31,567 #2279 Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Piney said: Watch 'American Gods'. Is it good? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 31,567 #2280 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: your post said this And how many just assume he was a real person. I did too, once. So indeed, here, you ARE speaking about a real person. You have just said so .You've just said you no longer consider jesus to have been a real person. If you are talking about the mythical jesus you are, perhaps, NOT talking of a real person, but you need to make that clear The biblical Jesus, Walls. I have had enough, I share habs sentiments. It’s enough for one nite. Edited January 25, 2020 by Sherapy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 72,597 #2281 Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, Sherapy said: Is it good? Ian McShane is the best Odin ever. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2282 Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Dejarma said: or your brain.... but that's just my opinion lol unfounded. Whatever you think of my opinions, the fact that i can formulate and express them, indicates the presence of a brain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cormac mac airt 15,141 #2283 Posted January 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Christ is a title for this particular bloke. Like Mr is a title for me They go together as a label/identifier for the man not the magician I am not Walker I am Mr walker. Jesus was Jesus Christ, even if that label was attached after his death It doesn't mean he was anything more than a man. Try again: Quote According to the Summa Theologica of Thomas Aquinas, in the singular case of Jesus, the word Christ has a twofold meaning, which stands for "both the Godhead anointing and the manhood anointed". It derives from the twofold human-divine nature of Christ (dyophysitism): the Son of man is anointed in consequence of His incarnated flesh, as well as the Son of God is anointing in consequence of the "Godhead which He has with the Father" (ST III, q. 16, a. 5).[16] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_(title)#Etymology Which at best places him as more than a man, in effect a Christian demi-god at the very least. cormac 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 31,567 #2284 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Piney said: Ian McShane is the best Odin ever. Hmmm, I might check it out. Is it fun or serious, light? Looking for something right now, I have to get up early my bestie and I are heading to a Hot Bikram Yoga class early, I need a new series, I have literally watched everything but this. Edited January 25, 2020 by Sherapy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2285 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: yep that is actually a FACT--- logical/ rational thinking individuals love facts= don't we It is probably a fact, but it is unevidenced and unproven. You have to believe miracles and gods etc are not real to believe this, (and for some it is a logical rational belief, on the best evidences available to them) but you cannot KNOW it ie you can't prove it true or false, and so it cannot be a fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 31,567 #2286 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Try again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_(title)#Etymology Which at best places him as more than a man, in effect a Christian demi-god at the very least. cormac Thank you, Walker exhausts me with the nonsense. I think he needs to slow his roll with the Red Bull’s. Edited January 25, 2020 by Sherapy 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2287 Posted January 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Sherapy said: Christ is a fictional character. And you believe this too. Have to be careful with words here The character OF christ MAY be fictional It certainly cant be known or proven However the character,Christ, was real Having experienced my share of miracles as real and powerful as some of those in the bible, I retain an open mind Just because "miracles" are real doesn't mean that christ was a miracle worker, although it increases the possibility that he could have been There is a force, or a power, capable of performing things we call miracles and particularly of empowering and gifting humans, so they can do "incredible" things. I don't know if christ was such a human or even an avatar of a god I wouldn't place a bet on it, either way, I have met dozens of humans who possess a part of this power, and can perform "miracles" The more of the gift one has, the more one can accomplish. It is possible that a human filled with this power could do things we think are impossible (I believe "the power" is a technological function of a superior technology ) 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 31,567 #2288 Posted January 25, 2020 @Piney Okay, found American God’s on Starz. I am in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2289 Posted January 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: Try again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_(title)#Etymology Which at best places him as more than a man, in effect a Christian demi-god at the very least. cormac lol That is the opinion of a man indoctrinated in, and totally committed to, one belief I repeat ,"christ" i s a title by which we know this man/ it doesn't matter if his was JUST a man That is his name and title I am not a master, yet i am still labelled MR It is confusing and perhaps insulting if you refuse to use a title because you have some philosophical objection to it Some have an objection to all titles, including mr or mrs. ie you don't have to believe dear old Tom's description of christ, to use his correct title. The pope is the pope whether you recognise his legitimacy and power or not You can't just refer to him as Francis First no one will know of whom you are speaking. Second it is rude/disrespectful Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Walker 6,726 #2290 Posted January 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Piney said: Watch 'American Gods'. seriously tried two times . Managed to get to about the fourth/fifth episode the second time, then gave up I cant honestly say why i didn't like it . The concept and genre appeal to me. the acting was good The author is one of my favourites I don't mind violence (GOT and vikings are two of my favourite shows) but here the violence seemed gratuitous and disconnected to the story. Maybe it was meant to be an analogy to modern america. in which case, as an Australian, something was missing 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 72,597 #2291 Posted January 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: I don't mind violence (GOT and vikings are two of my favourite shows) but here the violence seemed gratuitous and disconnected to the story. Maybe it was meant to be an analogy to modern america. in which case, as an Australian, something was missing As a archaeological tech who worked with historians and knows their history, I can't watch 'Vikings'. It's like watching psychotic fantasy LARPers. Love GOT though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 72,597 #2292 Posted January 25, 2020 50 minutes ago, Sherapy said: I think he needs to slow his roll with the Red Bull’s. Before he's back in his least favorite room. Ya read that pops!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2293 Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Crikey said: Think "prisoners of war". Even in WW2 POW's were often put to work.. Wrong, they're slaves. Did you even read it? How many POW's were possessions given to your children? How many POW's were born on your land to be taken as slaves? Use your brain here, you're trying to defend an immoral practice. Quote But anyway let's fast-forward to the New Testament centuries later Still defends slavery. https://jamestabor.com/the-top-seven-fateful-passages-in-the-new-testament-4-slaves-obey-your-masters-in-everything/ Edited January 25, 2020 by Rlyeh 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2294 Posted January 25, 2020 12 hours ago, Crikey said: No matter how nasty their ancestors were, people still have the free choice to play the "get-out card" by simply accepting Jesus instead of following the ways of their forebears.. "Jesus saved you from the empty way of life handed you by your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:18 ) So you're accountable for what your ancestors did? You don't possess common sense. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,594 #2295 Posted January 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rlyeh said: Wrong, they're slaves. How many POW's were possessions given to your children? Use your brain here, you're trying to defend an immoral practice. Still defends slavery. https://jamestabor.com/the-top-seven-fateful-passages-in-the-new-testament-4-slaves-obey-your-masters-in-everything/ Any quotes from JC approving slavery? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2296 Posted January 25, 2020 11 hours ago, Crikey said: Apart from the 27 separate books of the New T, there's also a truckload of historical accounts that never made it into the bible, how many more do you need?.. Check 'em- Have you? I notice you've listed a few that directly contradict the typical view of Jesus. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2297 Posted January 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Habitat said: Any quotes from JC approving slavery? Any from JC disproving of slavery? As far as I can tell he didn't say anything about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,594 #2298 Posted January 25, 2020 I think he was careful not to rock the boat too much, but obviously wasn't successful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2299 Posted January 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Will Due said: Jesus of Nazareth was a "character" alright. That's why they killed him. And then he flew away. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rlyeh 17,818 #2300 Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, Habitat said: I think he was careful not to rock the boat too much, but obviously wasn't successful. Besides what he already did? Declares himself god/son of god, and opposes the practiced religions.. But slavery? He's not even going to touch that. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites