onlookerofmayhem 3,686 #2351 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Crikey said: Just to digress slightly, do UM members think Jesus WAS God? NO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crikey 675 #2352 Posted January 25 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Crikey, come on now you can’t possibly believe a person can cure blindness by rubbing mud in their eyes. Sheesh. WE are made of mud ("dust to dust") so it was easy for JC to make new eyes from the stuff. PS- I got College of Preceptors exam passes in Science and Advanced Science years ago and went on to work in labs, so naturally the "Superscience" of the bible appeals to my scientific curiosity.. Edited January 25 by Crikey 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2353 Posted January 25 14 minutes ago, Habitat said: That rant has very little relevance to what I said, the fact remains that, at bottom, true religiosity has nothing to do with the adoration of human personalities like JC, in fact being wrapped up in the personality of another, any other, is an effective barrier to what I speak, these people stand as exemplars of the realisation of a potentiality inherent in all, and their message is intended to help others follow the path they followed, not follow them like a pet dog trundles after its master, because it is the master they want to be close to. That truly is, a childish thing. You know habs I see words of wisdom. The true wonder is the conciousness. It is astonishing one can even believe they talk to dead people and really think it happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2354 Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, Crikey said: WE are made of mud ("dust to dust") so it was easy for JC to make new eyes from the stuff. PS- I got College of Preceptors exam passes in Science and Advanced Science years ago and went on to work in labs, so naturally the "Superscience" of the bible appeals to my scientific curiosity.. Lol, I think you are bored. Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2355 Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Sherapy said: It is astonishing one can even believe they talk to dead people and really think it happened. I don't claim to speak to, or get answers from dead people, in the way you infer. But don't worry, I have certainly been in receipt of communication of various kinds. That you cannot allow such possibilities, is a limitation you have. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2356 Posted January 25 20 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said: NO. Same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2357 Posted January 25 8 hours ago, Rlyeh said: Jesus wouldn't want to upset the Romans. He mightn't have wanted to, but he did ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2358 Posted January 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Habitat said: I don't claim to speak to, or get answers from dead people, in the way you infer. But don't worry, I have certainly been in receipt of communication of various kinds. That you cannot allow such possibilities, is a limitation you have. Of course, it is possible to believe this thanks to our brain. Your of the Rip Van Winkle bunch telling tales from the old days. You know when we used to think thunder was bowling in heaven and rain was god crying. IMHO You take things way to seriously. Lighten up Frances. Edited January 25 by Sherapy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2359 Posted January 25 Just now, Sherapy said: Of course, it is possible to believe this thanks to your brain. Your of the Rip Van Winkle bunch telling tales from the old days. IMHO This just reflects your "attitude of the day" inconstancy. Today, you are lower on tolerance of "woo", than normal. I am not sure why you would bring my personal story into the subject here, when I had just finished saying that true religiosity is not a matter of focussing on human personalities, historical or otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crikey 675 #2360 Posted January 25 16 minutes ago, Sherapy said: Lol, I think you are bored. Lol Nah, I'm looking forward to watching The Waltons on TV later- "The family are shocked when John-Boy admits to having a crush on the new older schoolmistress" Hmm sounds good, we all like milfs,, 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2361 Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Sherapy said: You take things way to seriously. Lighten up Frances. Oh, I see, when you overstep the mark by saying I tell fibs, it is my fault for taking you seriously ? If you really aren't to be taken seriously, and I do, I guess that is my "fault" then ! Quite happy to err on that side. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crikey 675 #2362 Posted January 25 SITREP- in answer to my question 'Was Jesus God'.. the answers in so far are- OnlookerofMayhem- NO Sherapy- NO. Anybody else care to step up to the plate with an answer? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2363 Posted January 25 6 minutes ago, Habitat said: This just reflects your "attitude of the day" inconstancy. Today, you are lower on tolerance of "woo", than normal. I am not sure why you would bring my personal story into the subject here, when I had just finished saying that true religiosity is not a matter of focussing on human personalities, historical or otherwise. It wasn’t personal to you it was a common example you are not the only one who may have thought dead people talk. Heck, I have brushed shoulders with hallucinations too in my lifetime, I was actually thinking about myself. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2364 Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Habitat said: Oh, I see, when you overstep the mark by saying I tell fibs, it is my fault for taking you seriously ? If you really aren't to be taken seriously, and I do, I guess that is my "fault" then ! Quite happy to err on that side. Habbie you are taking things personal, not everything is about you boo boo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2365 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Sherapy said: Heck, I have brushed shoulders with hallucinations too in my lifetime I can't say I have experienced much at all of that genre, and certainly not in recent times. I don't "see things". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2366 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Sherapy said: Habbie you are taking things personal, not everything is about you boo boo. I have no idea why you are bringing a school of red herrings into the discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2367 Posted January 25 10 minutes ago, Crikey said: Nah, I'm looking forward to watching The Waltons on TV later- "The family are shocked when John-Boy admits to having a crush on the new older schoolmistress" Hmm sounds good, we all like milfs,, Your alright Crikey, 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2368 Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Habitat said: I have no idea why you are bringing a school of red herrings into the discussion. We are good then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2369 Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Habitat said: I can't say I have experienced much at all of that genre, and certainly not in recent times. I don't "see things". More audio? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hammerclaw 26,828 #2370 Posted January 25 In all of Judea there were, probably, many Yeshua bar Yosefs Both were popular names.. Thus, Jesus existed. The question is, was one of them our Jesus? What if it was an alias? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eight bits 12,471 #2371 Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Crikey said: Anybody else care to step up to the plate with an answer? Wrong thread, we're all historians here, kinda; theologians not so much 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sherapy 28,288 #2372 Posted January 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: In all of Judea there were, probably, many Yeshua bar Yosefs Both were popular names.. Thus, Jesus existed. The question is, was one of them our Jesus? What if it was an alias? Or a creation from the mind of a very clever, culturally savvy, and very educated man. Hands down he was a fascinating dude who had his fingers on the pulse of his culture. Perhaps a Steve Jobs of his day. Edited January 25 by Sherapy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crikey 675 #2373 Posted January 25 Regarding "speaking to the dead", I don't buy it because the "spirits" apparently just come out with unimportant guff. For example- MEDIUM AT SEANCE- "Is there anybody there?" VOICE- "Yes this is Albert" ALBERTS WIDOW- "Oh Albert, what divine message do you bring me from the great beyond?" ALBERT- "Buy your brussel sprouts at Tesco because they're cheaper there, keep an eye on the milkman because he's on the fiddle, and watch your step walking home down Saxby Street because the dog at number 19 has done a heap in the middle of the pavement" 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crikey 675 #2374 Posted January 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: In all of Judea there were, probably, many Yeshua bar Yosefs Both were popular names.. Thus, Jesus existed. The question is, was one of them our Jesus? What if it was an alias? There are many Elvis impersonators too, but only one is the real deal, right Elv? Edited January 25 by Crikey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,566 #2375 Posted January 25 15 minutes ago, Sherapy said: More audio? You know, if you had been here when some of this stuff happened, I think your reactions might have been more interesting than what transpired ! And it was quite dramatic at times. The cat didn't come back upstairs for a week after one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
