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Jeremy Corbyn has unveiled new leaked government documents that appear to show Boris Johnson misled the public over the nature of his new Brexit deal with the EU.

Labour says the internal Treasury paper, marked "official sensitive", warns of new customs checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland after Brexit – which the prime minister has claimed would not exist. 

Speaking in central London on Friday, Mr Corbyn told journalists: "Today I can reveal further hard evidence that Johnson is deliberately misleading the people".

He added: "This document is very ominous. There will be other secret reports like this one in every government department that reveal the disastrous impacts of his policies on the safety of the food you eat, on the rights you have at work, on the pollution of the air that we breathe and on the jobs and industries that people work in.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-boris-johnson-brexit-deal-leaked-government-documents-election-a9235326.html?fbclid=IwAR1LSe2R2yuCJSHwGtYtdi77T7tbDWSYtTOTnhF0IoY7VUglR4A-MCe7CmM&utm_source=reddit.com

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stevewinn

excellent, Get a Tory majority in this General election, ditch the plan that was originally drawn up to garner support from other parties at the time, and go for No deal, Leaving on the 31st December 23:59.

 

 

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L.A.T.1961

It looks like Corbyn has given up on his give away policies and has realised this election is only about Brexit. 

At the press conference earlier Keir Starmer bolted before answering questions on Labours version of a new WA. ;)

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47 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

excellent, Get a Tory majority in this General election, ditch the plan that was originally drawn up to garner support from other parties at the time, and go for No deal, Leaving on the 31st December 23:59.

 

 

Enjoy your US corporation-owned NHS.

Let's see how much you enjoy being charged 20 quid every time a doctor loses a pen.

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stevewinn
1 minute ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Enjoy your US corporation-owned NHS.

Let's see how much you enjoy being charged 20 quid every time a doctor loses a pen.

that old chestnut.

whose selling the NHS? how much it being sold for?

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30 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

that old chestnut.

whose selling the NHS? how much it being sold for?

It will be sold off in parts, or 'privatised' as has been happening for years, likely as a bend-over-and-take-yer-dinner trade deal with the US. 

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28 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

It will be sold off in parts, or 'privatised' as has been happening for years, likely as a bend-over-and-take-yer-dinner trade deal with the US. 

Yes you've said all that before, the question is sold by whom? and how much is it being sold for?

I see you've now moved on to a bend over and take it trade deal with the U.S. who'd sign such a deal?

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itsnotoutthere

Is there an election coming up or something....:whistle:

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itsnotoutthere
7 hours ago, ExpandMyMind said:

Enjoy your US corporation-owned NHS.

Let's see how much you enjoy being charged 20 quid every time a doctor loses a pen.

But of course, you do realise that if you work you're paying for that anyway through income tax, have you seen how much the NHS pays for a box of cotton buds? that's how it works. As 'wonderful' as the NHS is, it's a money pit, and we're all paying for it no matter how much we use it.

It's the reason a quarter of your wages are missing every month. :hmm:

(And if Labour are elected that'll go up to a half of everything you earn)

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Aaron2016

Just glanced through today's leadership debate on the BBC.  Funny watching Corbyn dodge basic questions about which side of Brexit he is on, and his past support for the IRA and the breakup of the Union, and some of the accusations he made against Johnson were just plain ridiculous.  e.g. He pointed at Johnson and said the Conservatives were against the birth of the NHS, and Johnson (and the audience) just shook their heads in bewilderment as Corbyn was now trying to dig all the way back to the 1940's to attack Johnson's leadership.  lol.

 

 

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18 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

Just glanced through today's leadership debate on the BBC.  Funny watching Corbyn dodge basic questions about which side of Brexit he is on, and his past support for the IRA and the breakup of the Union, and some of the accusations he made against Johnson were just plain ridiculous.  e.g. He pointed at Johnson and said the Conservatives were against the birth of the NHS, and Johnson (and the audience) just shook their heads in bewilderment as Corbyn was now trying to dig all the way back to the 1940's to attack Johnson's leadership.  lol.

 

 

Do you know who was against the birth of the NHS, doctors, and consultants/surgeons of the time, true fact. that's why today doctors are still self-employed.and consultants are allowed to continue private treatment.

 

 

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Captain Risky
On 12/7/2019 at 1:32 AM, ExpandMyMind said:

It will be sold off in parts, or 'privatised' as has been happening for years, likely as a bend-over-and-take-yer-dinner trade deal with the US. 

Of course it will. The NHS will be the sacrificial lamb that the UK will give up in order to get access to the all important U.S. markets. But the funny thing is that the U.S. all ready runs a trade surplus with the UK. Those thinking that the U.S. is gonna give that up that trade surplus to make the Torries feel good about dumping their trade surplus with Europe are sadly mistaken. 

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Captain Risky
On 12/7/2019 at 2:04 AM, stevewinn said:

Yes you've said all that before, the question is sold by whom? and how much is it being sold for?

I see you've now moved on to a bend over and take it trade deal with the U.S. who'd sign such a deal?

With 15% trade with the U.S. the UK runs a trade deficient with the U.S. The UK has 48% of its trade with the EU and runs a surplus. Now why would the Americans change that and why would the Europeans allow a trade surplus to continue ? 

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8 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Of course it will. The NHS will be the sacrificial lamb that the UK will give up in order to get access to the all important U.S. markets. But the funny thing is that the U.S. all ready runs a trade surplus with the UK. Those thinking that the U.S. is gonna give that up that trade surplus to make the Torries feel good about dumping their trade surplus with Europe are sadly mistaken. 

I keep hearing narratives like this, and it doesn't make any sense to me. Under what circumstances could an American company "buy" elements of the National Health Service, and run them at a profit whilst still maintaining statutory standards ? The concept itself seems irrational ? 

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RoofGardener
4 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

With 15% trade with the U.S. the UK runs a trade deficient with the U.S. The UK has 48% of its trade with the EU and runs a surplus. Now why would the Americans change that and why would the Europeans allow a trade surplus to continue ? 

Under the rules of the European Union, the "Europeans" don't have any choice in the matter ? Their governments can't put restrictions on trade in place between EU nations ? 

In terms of trade with countries outside of the EU, then I believe WTO rules prevent them from trying to 'regulate' such things as trade surpluses/defecits. It's all down to the free market. 

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Just now, RoofGardener said:

I keep hearing narratives like this, and it doesn't make any sense to me. Under what circumstances could an American company "buy" elements of the National Health Service, and run them at a profit whilst still maintaining statutory standards ? The concept itself seems irrational ? 

For starters, medicines will be the first causality. Government subsidies will dry up since they'll not subsidise a foreign company.  

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RoofGardener
1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

For starters, medicines will be the first causality. Government subsidies will dry up since they'll not subsidise a foreign company.  

Again, that doesn't seem to make sense. The NHS buys huge amounts of its medicines from foreign countries as it stands. What would change if the USA was one of them ? (for all I know, they already are). And the government doesn't "subsidise" anything.. they just BUY the stuff. (or rather, the NHS does, but using taxpayers money). 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

Under the rules of the European Union, the "Europeans" don't have any choice in the matter ? Their governments can't put restrictions on trade in place between EU nations ? 

In terms of trade with countries outside of the EU, then I believe WTO rules prevent them from trying to 'regulate' such things as trade surpluses/defecits. It's all down to the free market. 

LOL. Matey the UK is predominately a services industry that enjoys trade surplus on its 48% trade with Europe. Are you seriously suggesting that nothing will change once the UK leaves ? European products will not be finished and exported directly outta the UK. The opposite will be true. and American products and services will not enter Europe under the radar through the UK. 

...again I'm very sorry to say this but you're very trusting of the U.S. Let me reiterate. The U.S. has NO TRADE agreement currently with the UK and still manages a lopsided trade surplus. The UK has no exports other than services and end of line manufacturing for European supply chains. This will end. What exactly does the UK want from the U.S. ? The U.S. will want its farm, services and manufacturing free entry into the UK but what will the UK want that they can't already have ?  

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Captain Risky
9 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Under the rules of the European Union, the "Europeans" don't have any choice in the matter ? Their governments can't put restrictions on trade in place between EU nations ? 

In terms of trade with countries outside of the EU, then I believe WTO rules prevent them from trying to 'regulate' such things as trade surpluses/defecits. It's all down to the free market. 

Britain will not be part of the EU very soon. But what has that to do with trade surplus or deficits ? Nothing at all. Surplus's and deficits occur due to products and services in the free mark that really isn't free since the WTO rules are guidelines and default settings for trade. You said a trade deal with the U.S. will energise the British economy, and the UK leaving the EU will do the same. How ?

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10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Again, that doesn't seem to make sense. The NHS buys huge amounts of its medicines from foreign countries as it stands. What would change if the USA was one of them ? (for all I know, they already are). And the government doesn't "subsidise" anything.. they just BUY the stuff. (or rather, the NHS does, but using taxpayers money). 

The NHS subsidies medicines. Why would the UK continue to subsidise an industry it just privatised ? 

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15 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

What would change if the USA was one of them ?

The ****ing price!

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Captain Risky
On 12/7/2019 at 12:58 AM, stevewinn said:

that old chestnut.

whose selling the NHS? how much it being sold for?

More than likely It will go for a song. Same with the farming industry. American tech companies will have a free hand. paying little or tax. American cars and machinery will also get favourable access. Otherwise why would the U.S. sign a trade agreement with the UK ?

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stevewinn
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

With 15% trade with the U.S. the UK runs a trade deficient with the U.S. The UK has 48% of its trade with the EU and runs a surplus. Now why would the Americans change that and why would the Europeans allow a trade surplus to continue ? 

UK as a trade surplus with the U.S. 

UK runs a trade deficit with the EU. 

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

More than likely It will go for a song. Same with the farming industry. American tech companies will have a free hand. paying little or tax. American cars and machinery will also get favourable access. Otherwise why would the U.S. sign a trade agreement with the UK ?

How would you even sell the NHS? Is it even possible? How much is it valued at? 

Who's selling it? And who's buying it? 

 

 

 

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Setton
2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

UK as a trade surplus with the U.S. 

UK runs a trade deficit with the EU. 

How would you even sell the NHS? Is it even possible? How much is it valued at? 

Who's selling it? And who's buying it? 

 

 

 

Gosh well if the Tories say so, it must be true. 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
On 12/7/2019 at 2:04 AM, stevewinn said:

Yes you've said all that before, the question is sold by whom? and how much is it being sold for?

I see you've now moved on to a bend over and take it trade deal with the U.S. who'd sign such a deal?

The same people who’ve been treating the NHS like crap for years - the TINO party.

 

 

 

 

Tory In Name Only.

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