Someone else?

[DustyXIII]

I've dremt of seeing another person's life through their eyes while I'm asleep. I first witnessed this when I saw them running down the road towards a bus. Traveling on it while they read the signs inside the bus, but it's in a language that I dont understand or can't read, they make it to an office where they sit at a computer and run around printing papers and delivering papers. I see every aspect about their day, I have seen them talk to others but can't hear what they're saying, I witness actions of others around them and how they go about the day. It always ends when they get home and head to bed. I can't see them in a reflection because i only see myself. I cant tell by photos because i don't see any. It's like my eyes and theirs and fixated or I have to look with them simultaneously. I've never experienced anything like that before and its happened on occasion where this will happen after I've exhausted myself. It's always the same place with a usual routine but differs every day some how. I'm not one for paranormal but I'm at a loss here, I cant find anything saying what I'm experiencing and I dont belive I'm crazy. If anyone can help me know what's going on or if you've faced this before please let me know.

[ant0n]

1 hour ago, DustyXIII said:

I've dremt of seeing another person's life through their eyes while I'm asleep. (...) I see every aspect about their day, I have seen them talk to others but can't hear what they're saying, I witness actions of others around them and how they go about the day. It always ends when they get home and head to bed. I can't see them in a reflection because i only see myself. I cant tell by photos because i don't see any. It's like my eyes and theirs and fixated or I have to look with them simultaneously. I've never experienced anything like that before and its happened on occasion where this will happen after I've exhausted myself. It's always the same place with a usual routine but differs every day some how. (...)

You say you "see every aspect about their day". A day lasts noticeably longer than the period during which you dream in a night.

If you "see every aspect about their day", do you also see their intimate moments, those moments people don't want to share publicly?

 

Your topic reminds me, somehow, of what I read about a French specialist in astral travels, Nicolas Fraisse. He seems to have a good command of such travels and it happened he experienced them from inside someone's body, with intimate moments (and that was not pleasant).

Edited December 7, 2019 by ant0n

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Dreams such as the one you've described are not uncommon, nor unusual in any way. Most dreams tend to be wonky head trips, but ascribing the paranormal to them would be taking the analysis way off the mark. And although you state you're not one for the paranormal, I suspect you might be given that it even entered your mind as a possibility.

Reassure yourself that it's just a dream, nothing more. The fact that it's a recurring dream may be significant, but only in terms of reflecting an aspect(s) of your life and possibly past/present experiences. If that's the case, only you can determine the significance/meaning behind it.

[jypsijemini]

While I respect Kittens' view on this, I'm particularly intrigued by this post.

No, I have never experienced anything similar - but I've heard it said that your brain processes things at night and that most of the time, you will dream of people and places that you already know.

99% of my dreams feature places I've never seen before (even in movies and tv shows) and half the time, they feature people I've never seen before.

There was a long time there when my life circumstances and choices halted my dream state - well, at least I wasn't remembering them when I woke up, even when my sleep was interrupted by someone else. Recently though, since changing aspects of my life and choices, it's as if any time I'm roused from the first few hours of sleep, the dream is very vivid and easy to remember. And I'll go right back into a dream state and if I'm roused again within a few hours of that, I'll be able to recall the dream instantly again.

I've been having a lot of nightmares too - some are completely irrational and illogical. Recently, I woke up in tears because I was being tickled too violently and it was as if my armpits ached even after I woke up. The frustration was so real and present when I woke up! And others were reflections of my deeper fears that I was trying to suppress - like being cheated on and lied to. Fears which I have since overcome and the dreams have ceased.

But what surprises me is that there are so many people and places in my dreams that I do not recognise at all - they don't even contain hints of other places I might be familiar with. There's no familiar objects, and even the main characters have different faces. For example, in one dream, I knew it was my boyfriend but it looked nothing like him.

@DustyXIII, your dreams are something else entirely. You're living out an entire day as someone else. It's like you're dreaming an episode of Quantum Leap in a way. It's incredible. I'm only hypothesising here, but it almost sounds as if you're astral travelling or having an out-of-body experience - with the unconscious, unintentional ability to co-exist in someone else's body regardless of time and space.

I believe that all matter is just energy vibrating at different frequencies and therefore, nothing is real - everything is tangible. Everything. Which means to me, it's totally plausible that in these states of complete and utter exhaustion, a part of your energy is somehow manifesting itself somewhere else, for a reason unknown to any of us at this point. Either that, or we're all way more interconnected than we realise and you've just been getting a glimmer of insight into this.

Who knows? Do you wake up feeling rested or just as exhausted as before you went to sleep? Do you recall any other experiences like this one, even if you can't remember the details?

They say that in astral travel, something normal will always be off - you won't be able to count the fingers on your hand for example. Maybe try some repetitive exercises in waking moments so that they might present themselves in your dream and be a key you can use to 'wake up' in your lucid dream. It's said that this realisation, "I'm dreaming!" is the defining moment when you're then able to control and dictate your lucid dreams to create anything you want out of them!

Additionally, keep a dream journal. I've heard it's essential for learning to navigate and control your dreams. A huge part of life is spent sleeping, and a good portion of that contain dreams, so it's not at all wasting energy or time trying to understand and interpret your dreams.

I think it's a really good thing that you're so perceptive, interested and inquisitive about the dreams you're experiencing. Please keep us updated!

[DustyXIII]

6 hours ago, ant0n said:

You say you "see every aspect about their day". A day lasts noticeably longer than the period during which you dream in a night.

If you "see every aspect about their day", do you also see their intimate moments, those moments people don't want to share publicly?

 

Your topic reminds me, somehow, of what I read about a French specialist in astral travels, Nicolas Fraisse. He seems to have a good command of such travels and it happened he experienced them from inside someone's body, with intimate moments (and that was not pleasant).

I gave the quick and simple version of what happened I left the last line for people who can help discuss this matter

*snip*

Edited December 7, 2019 by Saru
Removed personal insults

[papageorge1]

3 hours ago, DustyXIII said:

 If anyone can help me know what's going on or if you've faced this before please let me know.

No one can tell you what is going on for sure.

A non-paranormal explanation is of course self-created imaginations perhaps influenced by a past movie or video you have seen or whatever.

A paranormal explanation could be a phenomena I have heard of before being your soul experiencing through multiple bodies at the same physical time. Or even a past life of your soul.

[moonman]

Sounds like you had a dream.

[The Eternal Flame]

Maybe its someting in your aura the crystal of a ring it can also be someting you drank like a kind of tea you dont usually drink...

Edited December 7, 2019 by The Eternal Flame

[ant0n]

4 hours ago, DustyXIII said:

I gave the quick and simple version of what happened I left the last line for people who can help discuss this matter *snip*

Your next dream may be about being just a shooting star in this forum website.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

25 minutes ago, ant0n said:

Your next dream may be about being just a shooting star in this forum website.

In fairness to the OP, your post was sexual in nature in that it inquired about whether any sexual intimacy took place. I realise you did not mean to be creepy about it and that you had legitimate reasons to inquire (not that I think Nicolas Fraisse himself is legitimate) but I can understand why the OP might have been offended, even angered, by it. It doesn't justify the nature of their response, but, at the same time, I understand it.

[ant0n]

1 minute ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

In fairness to the OP, your post was sexual in nature in that it inquired about whether any sexual intimacy took place. I realise you did not mean to be creepy about it and that you had legitimate reasons to inquire (not that I think Nicolas Fraisse himself is legitimate) but I can understand why the OP might have been offended, even angered, by it. It doesn't justify the nature of their response, but, at the same time, I understand it.

By intimacy, I meant anything we do privately and not publicly. The topic starter claimed they could get any detail, which I doubt.

Now I can understand the reader can focus on the sexual pattern but, really, that wasn't my goal. I referred to sex like I would refer to any other topic in life.

Anyway, thank you for bringing a perspective I didn't quite have while typing my first post here. I was respectful and that does not justify insults.

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Just now, ant0n said:

By intimacy, I meant anything we do privately and not publicly. The topic starter claimed they could get any detail, which I doubt.

Now I can understand the reader can focus on the sexual pattern but, really, that wasn't my goal. I referred to sex like I would refer to any other topic in life.

Anyway, thank you for bringing a perspective I didn't quite have while typing my first post here. I was respectful and that does not justify insults.

I understand, and appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Perhaps the OP will now see it in a different light. 

[ant0n]

22 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

I understand, and appreciate you taking the time to clarify. Perhaps the OP will now see it in a different light. 

Thank you for taking the time to explain how other readers can perceive my first post here. I have my own perspective, I assumed it could be understood because I took the time to express myself the best I could. And I really wanted to bring a valuable contribution.

I realise the word 'intimacy' brings confusion. The topic starter claimed they could see all details in that dream and I doubted (and still doubt) it. I doubt they can see the secret details of the person "they see through". That's why I talked about intimacy: can they see it too through that dreamed person?

Not only cannot they dream a whole day through someone at once but also not all the details/secrets are perceived. I'm realizing I can express that without referring to 'intimacy'. Without it, the detail about Fraisses' impersonation wouldn't have resonated either.

What matters is that I, you and maybe other readers see it in a different light. I try not to limit myself to the frame of this thread.

So thank you again for taking the initiative to explain to me. Misunderstandings can lead to more clarity.

Edited December 7, 2019 by ant0n

[Kittens Are Jerks]

59 minutes ago, ant0n said:

Thank you for taking the time to explain how other readers can perceive my first post here. I have my own perspective, I assumed it could be understood because I took the time to express myself the best I could. And I really wanted to bring a valuable contribution.

I realise the word 'intimacy' brings confusion. The topic starter claimed they could see all details in that dream and I doubted (and still doubt) it. I doubt they can see the secret details of the person "they see through". That's why I talked about intimacy: can they see it too through that dreamed person?

Not only cannot they dream a whole day through someone at once but also not all the details/secrets are perceived. I'm realizing I can express that without referring to 'intimacy'. Without it, the detail about Fraisses' impersonation wouldn't have resonated either.

What matters is that I, you and maybe other readers see it in a different light. I try not to limit myself to the frame of this thread.

So thank you again for taking the initiative to explain to me. Misunderstandings can lead to more clarity.

You DID make a valuable contribution. Your questions were well reasoned, and necessary in my opinion.

My impression is that the OP might think there's a possibility that they somehow left their body and entered another's. I obviously don't believe in astral projection, nor do I believe that we can 'enter' another person and see/experience life through their eyes. Your mention of Nicolas Fraisse was the first I've heard of him. I read some information and watched a couple of videos. His experiences sound quite fantastical. He's supposedly had spontaneous, involuntary OBEs since childhood, and can also read people's minds.

I'm not qualified to figure out what might be going on with him, but could he be hallucinating? What are your thoughts on him?

[ant0n]

38 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

You DID make a valuable contribution. Your questions were well reasoned, and necessary in my opinion.

My impression is that the OP might think there's a possibility that they somehow left their body and entered another's. I obviously don't believe in astral projection, nor do I believe that we can 'enter' another person and see/experience life through their eyes. Your mention of Nicolas Fraisse was the first I've heard of him. I read some information and watched a couple of videos. His experiences sound quite fantastical. He's supposedly had spontaneous, involuntary OBEs since childhood, and can also read people's minds.

I'm not qualified to figure out what might be going on with him, but could he be hallucinating? What are your thoughts on him?

In my first post here, I wrote: " Your topic reminds me, somehow, of what I read about a French specialist in astral travels, Nicolas Fraisse."

Yes, my reading the topic starter's dream reminded of that story in which Fraisse affirmed he even "entered" someone else's body, seeing through their eyes and feeling many details.

My thoughts on 'astral travels': I consider that concept rather interesting and inspiring. I consider the visions and feelings in ATs are mostly made up. But even made up visions and feelings can be a valuable experience. I guess we could make them up because we would need them, as symbolic messages from self to self. We would need to escape from reality, etc. I consider dreams are mostly made up as well. I mostly consider them symbolic messages from self to self. Even though they're mostly made up, dreams can be valuable experiences too, especially once they are interpreted. I'm writing 'mostly' because I need to let some freedom to the unexpected, to the literal meaning, to the unknown. No "100%".

My thoughts on Nicolas Fraisse: I think he's sincere (I'm aware he may not be sincere or he may unintentionally distort the facts). I bought the book based on him a few years ago. I didn't buy it to get to the truth. I bought that book as source of inspiration, hoping that my reading it would trigger some interesting experience in me. I still feel he's sincere. I still consider him interesting. But proof is still missing. I see him as a provider of echoing clues, of gentle triggers for new positive experiences (that may be unexpected). Some kind of safe experimenting.

I don't know if I had ever performed 'astral travels' or 'OBEs' ou things like those. I haven't remembered anything about that yet. However, I did have a few spontaneous or triggered visions and an uncommon dream. In them, I could feel like I was "inside someone, watching through their eyes". But - oh well - they were just visions and dream. They had a deep impact on me, I resonated. That spontaneously led to some kind of attunement/recalibration.

[+Not A Rockstar]

I have heard it said that when we dream, everyone in the dream is an aspect our self. I am not sure this is true, but it does give me a different spin on possible meanings when I look at my dreams that way too, in an effort to sort them.

You might try taking the main points the dreams share and read through what different "experts" (?) say it can mean. Such as google  "dream of riding a bus" (all yours start with this). The first of many links that arose was this one: https://michaelrolsen.com/mean-dream-riding-bus-dream-interpretationanalysis-bus/

Read several, see how they fit with your own truth. Try several details all the dreams share and see what may come up. Perhaps it will reveal something about you to you  

Dreams can sometimes give us insight into what is on our minds without us realizing it is there more than we supposed.

[eight bits]

16 hours ago, DustyXIII said:

I gave the quick and simple version of what happened I left the last line for people who can help discuss this matter

Welcome aboard, Dusty.

What's curious about your dream as reported is that on the one hand, the dream recurs, but on the other hand you don't do anything in the dream. This other person goes about their business, you watch and listen (without high definition), and then they go to bed. Often (there is no "always" in the dream business, lol) recurrent dreams have some pivotal decision point. The dream recurs, including the dreamer's making the same choice time after time at that pivotal point, but stops recurring once the dreamer chooses differently.

Is there not some opportunity for you (the dream character "you") to act? For example, can't this other person perceive you? Wouldn't a natural thing be to ask politely for his help?

Who knows? Maybe he'll think he's going crazy, what with this strange voice in his head, seek help in the dream, and then something gets resolved.

I'm confident that the source of dreams can come up with something better than that. I'm just saying that if dream recurrence bothers you, then consider doing something differently in the dream. In this case, consider doing something, full stop. @Not A Rockstar's idea for "symbol amplification" is also good. It's not either-or.

[Bed of chaos]

Most people can't read in dreams. "When we sleep the entire language area of the brain is less active" (The scientific reason you can't read while you dream. www.inverse.com). Everything can feel insanely real yet you're not in control. It's like tinkering on the edge of solving a mystery, right? However u can't hear/see specific things..see photos? We easily forget things and struggle w basic memory functions. U want (more) control? In regards to lucid dreams (as jypsigemini stated) when I kept a journal everything was more vivid (u should recall multiple dreams nightly, improve recall) I did..after just 2/3 days. Its scientifically proven (ld'ing) yet the best way to actually make it happen (there's numerous induction methods) is debatable. You can look up techniques/tutorials somewhere like Reddit lucid dreaming community or Dreamviews. In my opinion its not easy but definitely worth experiencing.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Bed of chaos