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The Douma Hoax: Anatomy of a False Flag

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Manwon Lender
6 hours ago, Phaeton80 said:


I suggest you 'study' the information provided in the OP, and several posts after that, mr Lender.

Peace.

I already have thanks for providing the information. However, I will believe The Hague and its personnel over misinformation provided by a malcontent  mail clerk or from the internet rags that publish the information without fact checking it  or vetting it.

Peace.

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RoofGardener
14 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Here is an email I just received from The Hague concerning the Doma Chlorine attack that occurred 04/07/2018. The information contained in this email is from the Oraganization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). This email has some very good links provided by OPCW.

Here is the body of the email I received from The Hague.

 

Thank you for your email and for your interest in the OPCW's work.

 

 With regards to your question, we would like to bring to your attention a statement made by the OPCW's Director-General in a briefing to States Parties to the Chemical Weapons Convention on 28 May 2019. This statement remains valid: https://bit.ly/2KH5ZrK

We would also like to bring your attention to the OPCW Director-General's opening statement at the Conference of the States Parties in November 2019: https://www.opcw.org/sites/default/files/documents/2019/12/c24dg21%28e%29.doc.pdf

Finally, you are invited to visit our OPCW website page on Syria: https://www.opcw.org/media-centre/featured-topics/syria-and-opcw

 

Thank you

Hmm.. thanks for posting that @Manwon Lender

I'm not sure how this takes us forward, however ? The upshot of it all is that the OPCW believes that a chemical weapons was deployed ? 

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Phaeton80
10 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

I already have thanks for providing the information. However, I will believe The Hague and its personnel over misinformation provided by a malcontent  mail clerk or from the internet rags that publish the information without fact checking it  or vetting it.

Peace.


I dont think you have, or at least; understood what was provided. There is a lot more to explain than simply 'a rogue internet clerk did it', if you read or understood the content, you would (hopefully) realize this.

However, could you be so kind as to quote the specific part of these links, from 'the Horses mouth' as you say (always good to check a lie from the entity which did the potential lying, its sure to come clean if in fact the case!), which claims a 'malcontent mail clerk' was at play here? Theres a lot of fluff I dont wish to scan through.

Much obliged.

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Manwon Lender
1 hour ago, Phaeton80 said:


I dont think you have, or at least; understood what was provided. There is a lot more to explain than simply 'a rogue internet clerk did it', if you read or understood the content, you would (hopefully) realize this.

However, could you be so kind as to quote the specific part of these links, from 'the Horses mouth' as you say (always good to check a lie from the entity which did the potential lying, its sure to come clean if in fact the case!), which claims a 'malcontent mail clerk' was at play here? Theres a lot of fluff I dont wish to scan through.

Much obliged.

Sorry I don't have the time, I believe you will find what your looking for in the first link. If I have later I will try and find it for you.

Peace

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Phaeton80

..As well as an interesting timeline of the 'Syria WMD attacks'.

Notice the ridiculously strategically unwise, or dare I say.. ´convenient´ timing of these events:

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Syria - Timelines Of 'Gas Attacks' Follow A Similar Scheme (Update II)

Updated below

An alleged new 'chemical incident' in Syria reminds of a similar series of events we saw last year. We are told to believe that each time the U.S. pulls back from the war on Syria the Syrian government is responding with a 'chemical attack' that pulls the U.S. back in.

March 30 2017
U.S. priority on Syria no longer focused on 'getting Assad out': Haley

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The United States’ diplomatic policy on Syria for now is no longer focused on making the war-torn country’s president, Bashar al-Assad, leave power, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said on Thursday, in a departure from the Obama administration’s initial and public stance on Assad’s fate.

April 7 2017
Trump launches attack on Syria with 59 Tomahawk missiles

The U.S. military attacked a Syria-government airfield with 59 Tomahawk missiles on Thursday evening.

April 10 2017
US envoy Nikki Haley says Syria regime change is inevitable

The US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, has told CNN that removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power is a priority, cementing an extraordinary U-turn in the Trump administration's stance on the embattled leader.

The Khan Sheikhun incident had been faked. An international investigation found that half of the alleged casualties arrived in hospitals before the incident was said to have happened. Nothing followed after Haley's last announcement. The administration was apparently not willing to go beyond the one-off strike. The flip-flop was attributed to confusion or infighting within the Trump administration.

A year later the exactly same development can be observed.

March 29 2018
Trump says US will withdraw from Syria 'very soon'

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump said Thursday that the US would "be coming out of Syria like very soon," just hours after the Pentagon highlighted the need for US troops to remain in the country for the immediate future. "We're knocking the hell out of ISIS. We'll be coming out of Syria like very soon. Let the other people take care of it now," Trump told supporters at an Ohio event on infrastructure.

April 7 2018
U.S. State Department On the Chemical Attack in Douma

We continue to closely follow disturbing reports on April 7 regarding another alleged chemical weapons attack, this time targeting a hospital in Douma, Syria. Reports from a number of contacts and medical personnel on the ground indicate a potentially high number of casualties, including among families hiding in shelters. These reports, if confirmed, are horrifying and demand an immediate response by the international community.

April 8 2018
Donald J. Trump

Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...
....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!

 

Over the last months the Syrian army secured 90% of 'rebel' enclave in east-Ghouta right next to  the Syrian capital Damascus. Only the town of Douma, held by the Saudi financed Salafist Takfiris of Jaish al-Isalm, was left in enemy hands. Negotiations about an evacuation of the terrorist were ongoing. At one point last week the hard core leaders of Jaish al-Islam pulled their negotiators back from the talks and reportedly executed them. Jaish al-Islam wanted to essentially stay in place and keep all its weapons. The Russian negotiators did not agree with this. On Friday the negotiations failed.

Barrages of missiles and grenades from Douma hit Damascus. The 'rebel' supporting Syrian Observatory reported of several killed in Damascus and dozens of wounded. The Syrian army hit back with intensive air strikes and artillery fire on Douma.

The terrorist in Douma hold several thousand of hostages who were abducted in 2013 from the town of Adra. The prisoners were paraded around in cages. The abducted men were forced to dig the extensive tunnel network Jaish al-Isalm uses to hide its weapons and fighters.

Two years ago Jaish al-Islam admitted that it used chemical weapons against a Kurdish suburb of Aleppo. Just two days ago the Russian military command said that it detected 'rebel' preparations for new false flag gas attacks.

[..]
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/timelines-of-gas-attacks-in-syria-follow-a-similar-scheme.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef01b8d2e92338970c#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef01b8d2e92338970c

 

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Saru

@Phaeton80 - I've removed your second last post (the one with a list of 27 links) - you need to check links before you post them to ensure they don't contain graphic content (or links to graphic content), the moderators don't have the time to go through all these, so if we find even one that does contain such content, the whole post is likely to be removed.

It would be better to just post one or two pertinent links than a massive list of them as nobody else is going to look through them all anyway.

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Phaeton80
2 hours ago, Saru said:

@Phaeton80 - I've removed your second last post (the one with a list of 27 links) - you need to check links before you post them to ensure they don't contain graphic content (or links to graphic content), the moderators don't have the time to go through all these, so if we find even one that does contain such content, the whole post is likely to be removed.

It would be better to just post one or two pertinent links than a massive list of them as nobody else is going to look through them all anyway.


Understood, willdo.

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Phaeton80

You know whats really telling about (the brunt of) our Western society.. The apparant fact there just doesnt seem to be any interest in this case, eventhough it is becoming one of the most clearcut cases of deception to attack another sovereign nation since the Iraq debacle. If this deception, and subsequent attack, as well as media complicity was aimed at the US, or GB, this thread would be 32 pages long.

Even after it became a well known fact Bush & Co deceived the whole world - fully supported by our 'respected media' - and started a war of agression against Iraq with their 'coalition of the willing' (some fine marketing in that name alone), no reprecussions followed.. none. Bush is still living like a 21st century king, (one of) his henchmen even rehired as national security advisor in the Trump admin (!!), yet we are all too quick to demand 'justice' when 'not the West' perpetrates a not even remotely comparable crime.. even if the evidence is little more than some shabby social media / youtube vdo's (theres nothing quite like engaging in a war of agression by way of deception, more or less the pinnacle of a crime against humanity).

As it stands, only Western nation have started several wars of agression the last couple of decades against (non Western) sovereign states, at the very least some of them based on proven lies, yet we still regard 'our side' as the 'Good Guys'. Yet we still think only, or mainly 'not the West' employs wholesale propaganda.. Something wrong with that equation?

And now its becoming increasingly obvious we just dont care about these deceptions, culminating in an attack on non Western sovereign states, as long as it doesnt happen to us. Some self- reflection, anyone?

"..Nah, Saddam and Assad and *[add non- Western baddy name here]* had it coming, theyre.. well.. evil. And you sound like a ME / Muslim apologizer, America Hater." 

It would be absolutely hilarious, if it wasnt so unimaginably sad.

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Phaeton80

Just to add; this is not meant as an attack on our society, quite the opposite. Because Im quite sure this almost institutionalised system of deception and combined apathy in the public at large will one day bite us in the proverbial beehind, with ferocity. Only a matter of time.

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RoofGardener

Hmm.. I'm returning to my original question. 

The OPCW concluded that a Chemical Weapon attack HAD occured. 

So if this is a "False Flag" attack, then who carried it out ? And - more importantly perhaps - HOW did they get into Douma to "stage" the attack ? 

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Farmer77
Just now, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. I'm returning to my original question. 

The OPCW concluded that a Chemical Weapon attack HAD occured. 

So if this is a "False Flag" attack, then who carried it out ? And - more importantly perhaps - HOW did they get into Douma to "stage" the attack ? 

Im not saying it was a false flag but if it were the easiest suspect would be the cabal formerly known as blackwater . One neat offshoot of 20 years of perpetual war is there are a whole bunch of skilled dudes out there looking for work and these particular guys happen to be good friends and cohorts with the Trumps.

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RoofGardener
11 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Im not saying it was a false flag but if it were the easiest suspect would be the cabal formerly known as blackwater . One neat offshoot of 20 years of perpetual war is there are a whole bunch of skilled dudes out there looking for work and these particular guys happen to be good friends and cohorts with the Trumps.

Yeeeeeesss... so Blackwater smuggled a team of specialists into a war zone, they bashed holes through reinforced concrete roofs, and then pre-positioned battered cylinders of chlorine in the room below these holes, and then released the chlorine gas, and then snuck out again, without ANYONE noticing anything suspicious ? 

I didn't know that Derren Brown and Dynamo worked for Blackwater ? :P 

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Farmer77
Just now, RoofGardener said:

Yeeeeeesss... so Blackwater smuggled a team of specialists into a war zone, they bashed holes through reinforced concrete roofs, and then pre-positioned battered cylinders of chlorine in the room below these holes, and then released the chlorine gas, and then snuck out again, without ANYONE noticing anything suspicious ? 

I didn't know that Derren Brown and Dynamo worked for Blackwater ? :P 

Like I said im not arguing that it happened, just that if it did those guys would be the first ones to eyeball.

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RoofGardener
2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Like I said im not arguing that it happened, just that if it did those guys would be the first ones to eyeball.

Or perhaps Bashar Al-Assad ordered his army to drop the cylinders by helicopter ? 

Oh, no, wait, I'm just indulging in wild conspiracy theories now. 

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Phaeton80

The usual conspiracy theory implications not withstanding (as if to say the official narrative isnt a conspiracy theory, one that needs the most mental gymnastics to believe, in regards to contextual as well as case specific facts), the fourth release from the OPCW - Douma investigation:
 

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OPCW-DOUMA - Release Part 4

27 December, 2019

Today WikiLeaks releases more internal documents from the OPCW regarding the investigation into the alleged chemical attack in Douma in April 2018.

One of the documents is an e-mail exchange dated 27 and 28 February between members of the fact finding mission (FFM) deployed to Douma and the senior officials of the OPCW. It includes an e-mail from Sebastien Braha, Chief of Cabinet at the OPCW, where he instructs that an engineering report from Ian Henderson should be removed from the secure registry of the organisation:

“Please get this document out of DRA [Documents Registry Archive]... And please remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever in DRA”.

The main finding of Henderson, who inspected the sites in Douma and two cylinders that were found on the site of the alleged attack, was that they were more likely manually placed there than dropped from a plane or helicopter from considerable heights. His findings were omitted from the official final OPCW report on the Douma incident.

Another document released today is minutes from a meeting on 6 June 2018 where four staff members of the OPCW had discussions with “three Toxicologists/Clinical pharmacologists, one bioanalytical and toxicological chemist” (all specialists in chemical weapons, according to the minutes).

The purpose of this meeting was two-fold. The first objective was

“To solicit expert advice on the value of exhuming suspected victims of the alleged chemical attack in Douma on 7 April 2018”. According to the minutes, the OPCW team was advised by the experts that there would be little use in conducting exhumations. The second point was “To elicit expert opinions from the forensic toxicologists regarding the observed and reported symptoms of the alleged victims.”

More specifically,

“...whether the symptoms observed in victims were consistent with exposure to chlorine or other reactive chlorine gas.”

According to the minutes leaked today: “With respect to the consistency of the observed and reported symptoms of the alleged victims with possible exposure to chlorine gas or similar, the experts were conclusive in their statements that there was no correlation between symptoms and chlorine exposure”.

The OPCW team members wrote that the key “take-away message” from the meeting was

“the symptoms observed were inconsistent with exposure to chlorine and no other obvious candidate chemical causing the symptoms could be identified”.

The third document is a copy of OPCW e-mail exchanges from 20 to 28 August 2018 discussing the meeting with the toxicologists.

The fourth document is an e-mail exchange from the end of July 2018 where it is stated that the eight OPCW inspectors deployed to Douma during the fact finding mission (except one, a paramedic) should be excluded from discussions on the project.

https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/


 

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RoofGardener
8 minutes ago, Phaeton80 said:

The usual conspiracy theory implications not withstanding (as if to say the official narrative isnt a conspiracy theory, one that needs the most mental gymnastics to believe, in regards to contextual as well as case specific facts), the fourth release from the OPCW - Douma investigation:
 


 

All very interesting @Phaeton80

So who did the chemical weapons attack ? 

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Jon the frog

Problem with bombing is that you blow up all kind of stuff... just a couple of gallon of muriatic acid falling off a shelves can induce skin burn, vomiting, and block respiration on quite a large scale, and it will raise a flag for a chlorine attack...it's hydrochloric acid and common in any hardware store or with people who works with cement repair. All is made of cement out there in Syria....

A friend of mine drop a pint of muriatic acid in his basement and it was impossible to go down to clear it up, we got ourselves practically dead just getting out of it. Needed to blow air down and break open a window to clear air to go clean it... what a mess it caused.

In a war zone, with destruction and disinformation roaming... no one will never know for sure.

 

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Phaeton80
On 12/28/2019 at 8:55 PM, RoofGardener said:

All very interesting @Phaeton80

So who did the chemical weapons attack ? 


Isnt it.

It would, obviously, stand to reason the party with the most to gain from such an attack would be the most plausible suspect.

Given all known variables, I would not put my money on 'the Syrian regime', although it certainly remains a possibility.. At this point its not even clear if a chemical attack in fact occured.

What is clear imo, is that there are ample indications the rebels do have access to such chemical weapons, and they do seem to be the party who stood to gain the most from such an (perceived) attack.

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