IG Report: Consequential or a Whitewash?

[RoofGardener]

4 hours ago, Setton said:

You can't very well say there's no evidence of things if you're unwilling to read sources. 

I don't visit websites that demand I turn my add-blocker off. Sorry. Deal with it.  

[RoofGardener]

4 hours ago, Setton said:

Think those straws are still a little out of reach, bee. 

You think THAT is bad ? My boss at work trawls the SERIOUS conspiracy theory sites. He believes that Durham has over 100,000 sealed indictments for.. gosh.. dunno.... the ENTIRETY of the FBI or something ? 

I don't know which is more worrying. The fact that he believes this nonsense. Or the fact that he might be right ?    

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 12/9/2019 at 7:34 AM, and then said:

So, tomorrow is the big reveal.  Who thinks criminal referrals will result?  Who thinks Horowitz is just another swamp dweller and is about to prove it?  

I'll go on the record as one of the latter.  After all, he whitewashed the FBI culpability in the Clinton email issue.  No real reason to expect him to go off the reservation with this one.  There have been reports from Uber Liberal rags that it's a nothing burger AND that AG Barr has already questioned the accuracy or veracity of the conclusions Horowitz drew.  Who knows whether either or both are accurate but tomorrow should be an interesting reveal.

I think if the IG report is White Washed then our Government needs to be policed by intelligent Americans who are not Biased. But that isn't reall necessary at this point in time because it is Consequential. The only White Washing currently going on in Washington DC is President Trump and his crew trying to obstruct Justice. 

By the way I think Hilary Clinton should be in Jail, she's no better than President Trump.

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You think THAT is bad ? My boss at work trawls the SERIOUS conspiracy theory sites. He believes that Durham has over 100,000 sealed indictments for.. gosh.. dunno.... the ENTIRETY of the FBI or something ? 

Oh, I know there's worse than bee out there. 

Doesn't mean her drivel suddenly belongs on the politics boards. We have a whole board for conspiracy theories, even relatively tame ones. 

[Farmer77]

27 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You think THAT is bad ? My boss at work trawls the SERIOUS conspiracy theory sites. He believes that Durham has over 100,000 sealed indictments for.. gosh.. dunno.... the ENTIRETY of the FBI or something ? 

I don't know which is more worrying. The fact that he believes this nonsense. Or the fact that he might be right ?    

Ask him if those are the same sealed indictments Jeff Sessions JFK Jr and Mueller were gonna use to "bring the storm". 

[Setton]

30 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

I don't visit websites that demand I turn my add-blocker off. Sorry. Deal with it.  

Then you are going to miss things. 

You can't very well have a debate where you won't read the other side's sources but still argue they aren't true. 

Simple choice if you have any intellectual integrity: read the source or just take the poster's word for it. 

[bee]

47 minutes ago, Setton said:

Oh, I know there's worse than bee out there. 

Doesn't mean her drivel suddenly belongs on the politics boards. We have a whole board for conspiracy theories, even relatively tame ones. 

source Politico

Durham’s inquiry, instigated by Barr, appears to have a broader scope than the inspector general review. Durham’s probe also progressed to a criminal investigation a couple of months ago, officials familiar with the inquiry have said, giving him the power to force testimony from people outside the Justice Department.

Precisely what Durham is investigating criminally remains unclear, but press reports have said that one issue he is examining is whether a then-FBI attorney who handled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications for Page, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email he forwarded related to that work.

[bee]

 

 

3:28...."Graham: John Durham Is "Looking At Putting People In Jail"

transcript of video -

[Setton]

20 minutes ago, bee said:

source Politico

 

Quote

Durham’s inquiry, instigated by Barr, appears to have a broader scope than the inspector general review. Durham’s probe also progressed to a criminal investigation a couple of months ago, officials familiar with the inquiry have said, giving him the power to force testimony from people outside the Justice Department.

Precisely what Durham is investigating criminally remains unclear, but press reports have said that one issue he is examining is whether a then-FBI attorney who handled the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications for Page, Kevin Clinesmith, altered an email he forwarded related to that work.

 

[bee]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

yes keep up

 

 

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, bee said:

yes keep up

 

[+and-then]

About 1 month ago, Sen Graham was talking big about subpoenaing Schiff and Ciaramello and a couple of days ago he'd completely changed his toon.  Apparently, calling witnesses and getting the truth out about this scandal is "damaging" the country too much.  He wants to shut this down, double quick.  Wonder why?

Trump should DEMAND A TRIAL and his lawyers should either get to call the witnesses they think are important or he should make a HUGE noise over it being a cover-up.  That's right...EVEN if he is acquitted.

[RavenHawk]

15 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I've taught this to you before however the Constitution right to face your accuser applies only to criminal cases. 

Go ahead and Google it. 

No, you didn’t teach anyone anything, especially anything about the Constitution.  The day you school anyone boy, Hell will freeze over.  You have no credibility.  Due Process also applies to Congressional hearings (and really anything else for that matter where accusation occurs).  Due Process is a key underlying concept in the Constitution.  True, any given Congressional hearing can exclude Due Process, but it is against the spirit of the law.  And in this case, when the House restricts Due Process (abuse of power), the President is well within his power to give the House the finger.  If this makes it to the Senate, one of the first witnesses will be the whistleblower and Trump will be able to confront him.  If the whistleblower is not presented, then there is no case.  But the Republicans need to followup with bringing the Prog corruption out into the open so that something like this witch hunt never happens to anyone else (on either side).

[+and-then]

4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

If the whistleblower is not presented, then there is no case.  But the Republicans need to followup with bringing the Prog corruption out into the open so that something like this witch hunt never happens to anyone else (on either side).

I agree totally and this is why I'm angry that Graham seems to have decided to end this quickly and keep that mess under the radar.  Less than a month ago he was threatening to call Schiff and Ciaramello and a couple of days ago he'd changed his tune and was saying it would cause "too much damage" to America.  I smell a great big chamber full of Rodentia...

[RavenHawk]

2 minutes ago, and then said:

I agree totally and this is why I'm angry that Graham seems to have decided to end this quickly and keep that mess under the radar.  Less than a month ago he was threatening to call Schiff and Ciaramello and a couple of days ago he'd changed his tune and was saying it would cause "too much damage" to America.  I smell a great big chamber full of Rodentia...

Graham has always been questionable, but I have to wonder if he isn’t testing the waters?  Why?  I don’t know.  What will cause this nation “too much damage” will be if this Socialist power gambit is allowed to skate.  Republicans historically have always allowed the Progs to get away with serious crimes, because they have this irrational sense to maintain a bipartisan spirit.  They need to acquire a killer instinct and maybe then, we’ll return to a government based in the Constitution.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, and then said:

About 1 month ago, Sen Graham was talking big about subpoenaing Schiff and Ciaramello and a couple of days ago he'd completely changed his toon.  Apparently, calling witnesses and getting the truth out about this scandal is "damaging" the country too much.  He wants to shut this down, double quick.  Wonder why?

Trump should DEMAND A TRIAL and his lawyers should either get to call the witnesses they think are important or he should make a HUGE noise over it being a cover-up.  That's right...EVEN if he is acquitted.

It does seem pretty strange.  It seems like a boil that need to be lanced, and I say that as a Leftie leaning guy.  More than anything, I want an honest government that works the way it is supposed to, and that would be working for the citizens.  Term limits could help get them out faster and not give the professional ticks time to settle in.

[bee]

8 hours ago, Setton said:

 

 

I'd already made the point... you ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.... so behave yourself 

 

[bee]

2 hours ago, and then said:

I agree totally and this is why I'm angry that Graham seems to have decided to end this quickly and keep that mess under the radar.  Less than a month ago he was threatening to call Schiff and Ciaramello and a couple of days ago he'd changed his tune and was saying it would cause "too much damage" to America.  I smell a great big chamber full of Rodentia...

 

I wonder if because the Horowitz Report WAS a whitewash and exonerated the FBI of political bias
he (Graham) had his hands tied in that direction...?

not trying to stand up for him just trying to figure out what happened... because the whole thing is so
one sided with Trump being accused of anything and everything while Comey, Brennan and Co are
managing, (with their mess) to stay under the radar -

can't help remembering what Schumer said ....  that the Inelligence Service had "six ways from Sunday to get back
at you...."

that was such a telling statement... basically acknowledging that the Intelligence Service as part of the Deep State
were above an elected President and an elected president had better tow the line OR ELSE...
and we see what the OR ELSE is.... a sham impeachment..... while 24/7 demonizing goes on
in the background..

Could Graham be concerned about what HE could be in for if he rocks the boat too much..?
Or does he see that the corruption is so deep that he thinks exposing it (using the law and prosecutions)
would tear the country apart..... but the country is being torn apart by the "six ways to Sunday" show of
power anyway...

 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-warns-trump-intel-officials-have-six-ways-from-sunday-at-getting-back-at-you

Quote

The new leader of Democrats in the Senate says Donald Trump is being "really dumb" for picking a fight with intelligence officials, suggesting they have ways to strike back, after the president-elect speculated Tuesday that his "so-called" briefing about Russian cyberattacks had been delayed in order to build a case.

"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer Tuesday evening on MSNBC after host Rachel Maddow informed him that intelligence sources told NBC news that the briefing had not been delayed.

"So, even for a practical supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he's being really dumb to do this," he added.

Edited December 11, 2019 by bee

[Setton]

34 minutes ago, bee said:

 

I'd already made the point... you ignored it and tried to move the goalposts.... so behave yourself 

 

Yeah... Still have to go with:

8 hours ago, Setton said:

 

 

[bee]

2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Graham has always been questionable, but I have to wonder if he isn’t testing the waters?  Why?  I don’t know.  What will cause this nation “too much damage” will be if this Socialist power gambit is allowed to skate.  Republicans historically have always allowed the Progs to get away with serious crimes, because they have this irrational sense to maintain a bipartisan spirit.  They need to acquire a killer instinct and maybe then, we’ll return to a government based in the Constitution.

Perhaps the damage has already been done and because the Republicans were too soft on the Democrats
when they (the Republicans) had the upper hand.... now key institutions and positions have been infiltrated
by a mix of Globalists / Socialists / Communists / corporatists / faux environmentalists etc..... who aren't in
the least bit bothered with maintaining a bi-partisan spirit or fair play...

so how can they exercise 'killer instinct' when there isn't a level playing field any more and they are at
a disadvantage...?..... a Republican President who towed the line wouldn't experience the problems that
Trump is burdened with...

(just thinking aloud)

 

 
 

[Farmer77]

6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

No, you didn’t teach anyone anything, especially anything about the Constitution.  The day you school anyone boy, Hell will freeze over.  You have no credibility.  Due Process also applies to Congressional hearings (and really anything else for that matter where accusation occurs).  Due Process is a key underlying concept in the Constitution.  True, any given Congressional hearing can exclude Due Process, but it is against the spirit of the law.  And in this case, when the House restricts Due Process (abuse of power), the President is well within his power to give the House the finger.  If this makes it to the Senate, one of the first witnesses will be the whistleblower and Trump will be able to confront him.  If the whistleblower is not presented, then there is no case.  But the Republicans need to followup with bringing the Prog corruption out into the open so that something like this witch hunt never happens to anyone else (on either side).

I don't know why you hate the Constitution so much but I'll bet if you took the time to actually learn about it and America you would be much less angry.

I'm talking about facts while you're ranting about feelings and tinfoil conspiracy lunacy. 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2019 by Farmer77

[ian hacktorp]

Horowitz is testifying today.  Perhaps fear of comments like this is the reason why MSM outlets are not covering Horowitz' testimony:

 

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IG Michael Horowitz, on whether James Comey is vindicated by the report (as Comey claims): "The activities we found here don't vindicate anybody who touched this"

8:21 AM - 11 Dec 2019

[Farmer77]

2 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Horowitz is testifying today.  Perhaps fear of comments like this is the reason why MSM outlets are not covering Horowitz' testimony:

 

Mark Meadows‏Verified account @RepMarkMeadows

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IG Michael Horowitz, on whether James Comey is vindicated by the report (as Comey claims): "The activities we found here don't vindicate anybody who touched this"

8:21 AM - 11 Dec 2019

Yes and the FBI has wholly owned the mistakes they made and are accepting the recommendations to remedy them, as a professional organization should. 

You know what howorowitz still didn't say?

That the investigation was started under false pretenses or that it was politically biased in any way. 

The conspiracy theory is still dead hack. 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

7 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

I don't know why you hate the Constitution so much but I'll bet if you took the time to actually learn about it and America you would be much less angry.

I'm talking about facts while you're ranting about feelings and tinfoil conspiracy lunacy. 

 

 

And if you took the time to learn anything about the Constitution and how it came to be, there isn't any way that you'd be a liberal.

 

[ian hacktorp]

13 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Yes and the FBI has wholly owned the mistakes they made and are accepting the recommendations to remedy them, as a professional organization should. 

You know what howorowitz still didn't say?

That the investigation was started under false pretenses or that it was politically biased in any way. 

The conspiracy theory is still dead hack. 

There is plenty of denial coming from the FBI and your proclaiming them to be somehow absolved because they've only now, after having the evidence shoved in their faces, managed to issue a weak apology is hilarious on your part.

Further, Horowitz' job was extremely narrow in its focus and did not allow him to fully investigate the predicates used to launch the Russia investigation against Trump.  That's Barr and Durham's job and they indicate things are just beginning to heat up.

So, you are unwise to pull a "Comey" at this point and declare anything "dead" or any of these Obama administration idiots "vindicated" this early in the game.

VERY unwise...but you'll do it anyway...right?