IG Report: Consequential or a Whitewash?

[+DieChecker]

7 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

You’ll notice that Horowitz states that they “did not find”.  They never said “that it did not happen”.  I don’t think he was just blowing smoke, that was from the limit of scope of his investigation.

So, I think what we've found out is that those Against Trump are fine with using "Common Sense" to determine what Trump intended with Ukraine, but when it is obvious what the FBI did in 2016, THEN is it important the exact wording in the Report. 

 

So after all the "high and mighty" defense of the FBI over the last two years they're playing a game of Semantics as their last defense.

It is clear Strozk and Page were bias, and indicated they were going to do something about it. And Strozk at least was in a position to do so. That no evidence was found of direct abuse, as the IG, and Barr, said does not mean it wasn't done.

Didnt The IG say there was more investigating going on regarding bias in the FBI?

This report was mostly about the FISA warrants right?

[pallidin]

Ok, well...

 

[ChrLzs]

14 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

I haven’t looked at all of them

So there you have it.  YOU are trump's target audience - those who don't read, don't care, just blindly follow.

And then you eagerly follow that up with a few more nails in your coffin of cult-worship:

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But even if they are all some innocuous set of inconsistencies, it is still a massive break down of leadership and procedure.

Read the dam report,  It's NOT a massive breakdown, it's a few procedural aberrations which did NOT affect the validity of the investigation.

READ THE DAM REPORT.

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  Someone is responsible.

Yes, AND THEY'VE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY.

READ THE DAM REPORT.

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You’ll notice that Horowitz states that they “did not find”.  They never said “that it did not happen”. 

I don’t think he was just blowing smoke, that was from the limit of scope of his investigation.

What an incredible waste of time - you want semantics and you want to ignore what was actually said and pretend there was something hidden..

 

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...I recall the clip but I can’t find it.  I'm not going to worry about it.

...I’m not in the habit of going through 6+ hours of testimony just to placate you.

...If you don't like my answer, tough $-hit!

...

Do you ever listen to yourself?  Unbelievable.  Why the hell does anyone bother with this sort of incredible head-in-the-sand approach...?  You happily admit you are completely disinterested in facts - no wonder trump loves you, and apparently there are enough like-minds in the USA to keep this rolling.

Thankfully I think there are enough UNlike minds to gradually unravel this mess, if not by impeachment, by simply voting this corruption out.

Anyway, I won't make the mistake of asking you to read stuff again.  Onto the Ignore list you go.  At least you have now outed yourself.

Edited December 12, 2019 by ChrLzs

[ian hacktorp]

2 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

So there you have it.  YOU are trump's target audience - those who don't read, don't care, just blindly follow.

And then you eagerly follow that up with a few more nails in your coffin of cult-worship:

Read the dam report,  It's NOT a massive breakdown, it's a few procedural aberrations which did NOT affect the validity of the investigation.

READ THE DAM REPORT.

Yes, AND THEY'VE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY.

READ THE DAM REPORT.

What an incredible waste of time - you want semantics and you want to ignore what was actually said and pretend there was something hidden..

 

Do you ever listen to yourself?  Unbelievable.  Why the hell does anyone bother with this sort of incredible head-in-the-sand approach...?  You happily admit you are completely disinterested in facts - no wonder trump loves you, and apparently there are enough like-minds in the USA to keep this rolling.

Thankfully I think there are enough UNlike minds to gradually unravel this mess, if not by impeachment, by simply voting this corruption out.

Anyway, I won't make the mistake of asking you to read stuff again.  Onto the Ignore list you go.  At least you have now outed yourself.

Well, aren't YOU the drama queen?  I'm afraid your silly histrionics betray a deeper understanding that the entire Trump investigation was not just a farce, but also a crime.

Heads are going to roll over this...and when the full participation of the "intelligence community" is brought out, heads will likely roll in Australia too.

So squawk, whine, and moan about it all you like...you're gonna need the practice.

[Farmer77]

9 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Didnt The IG say there was more investigating going on regarding bias in the FBI?

Yeah he did its just going in a different direction than expected: 

Justice Department watchdog investigating possible FBI leaks to Giuliani in 2016

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The Justice Department inspector general continues to investigate potential leaks by FBI officials in New York to President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani before the 2016 election.

Inspector General Michael Horowitz told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that the investigation is ongoing, and is broader than just Giuliani, but suggested his team was struggling to prove that there were illegal leaks.

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Farmer77

[ChrLzs]

58 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Well, aren't YOU the drama queen?

How often will you be using that line, in this sort of completely content-free post?

58 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I'm afraid your silly histrionics betray a deeper understanding that the entire Trump investigation was not just a farce, but also a crime.

Heads are going to roll over this...and when the full participation of the "intelligence community" is brought out, heads will likely roll in Australia too.

So squawk, whine, and moan about it all you like...you're gonna need the practice.

Nice.  Any chance you will do anything OTHER than ad hominems, and actually address the content of the report?  Do you ever read this stuff back to yourself and then consider your own hypocrisy?   Another person who doesn't read and is therefore fodder for trump - and perfectly suited to my Ignore bin.

[Hankenhunter]

On 12/10/2019 at 2:30 PM, Setton said:

Hoisted by her own petard. Lol.

[ian hacktorp]

1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

How often will you be using that line, in this sort of completely content-free post?

Nice.  Any chance you will do anything OTHER than ad hominems, and actually address the content of the report?  Do you ever read this stuff back to yourself and then consider your own hypocrisy?   Another person who doesn't read and is therefore fodder for trump - and perfectly suited to my Ignore bin.

Lol...I'd imagine so long as you continue to post your ridiculous, America-hating, fact-free drivel.

Carry on!

[Agent0range]

Alright, I'm ready to concede.  The President, or a Presidential candidate can now meet with what are, or what they think are foreign governments for dirt on political opponents.  The President can ask their allies to investigate a political opponent, or give up their military aid.  This is all OK now.  The precedent has been set.  It's cool, lets move on.  I just hope the next Democrat goes to foreign nations for political dirt.  That's the new norm.

[ChrLzs]

8 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

The President can ask their allies to investigate a political opponent, or give up their military aid.  This is all OK now.

...but wait, there's more - if the pres can override Congress... who needs Congress??  Think of the savings!!!!

[Tatetopa]

4 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Heads are going to roll over this...and when the full participation of the "intelligence community" is brought out, heads will likely roll in Australia too.

We might as well call that investigation off Hacktorp.  The President just said abuse of power is not a crime.  So Obama and people he directed just got off the hook thanks to President Trump himself. No crime, no indictment.  Pretty funny eh?

[Farmer77]

4 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

We might as well call that investigation off Hacktorp.  The President just said abuse of power is not a crime.  So Obama and people he directed just got off the hook thanks to President Trump himself. No crime, no indictment.  Pretty funny eh?

 

 

 

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, hacktorp said:

America-hating, fact-free

Amusing you used these consecutively.  What was that term I heard you use - pretzel logic?

[ian hacktorp]

1 hour ago, Tatetopa said:

We might as well call that investigation off Hacktorp.  The President just said abuse of power is not a crime.  So Obama and people he directed just got off the hook thanks to President Trump himself. No crime, no indictment.  Pretty funny eh?

Yeah...I don't think Trump ever said that.

However, the Democrats have been squealing for months now about "asking a foreign government to interfere in an election" being a crime.  They've been unable to prove Trump did any such thing...but do you know who (provably) DID do that?  Yep, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, that's who.

Barry will soon be unable to show his treasonous mug in public.  Pretty funny, huh?

Edited December 13, 2019 by hacktorp

[ian hacktorp]

11 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Amusing you used these consecutively.  What was that term I heard you use - pretzel logic?

 

[Farmer77]

8 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Yeah...I don't think Trump ever said that.

Another example of why you need to vary your media sources https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-slams-flimsy-pathetic-ridiculous-articles-impeachment-n1099516

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“They are now admitting that there was no collusion, no obstruction of justice, there are no crimes," Trump told a crowd of thousands of supporters at the Giant Center. "They are impeaching me and there are no crimes. This has to be a first."

 

8 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

hey've been unable to prove Trump did any such thing.

You do mean except for the whole him admitting it and us having the conversation where he did so in black and white?

And then telling the world what he wanted from that very phone call when asked?

Trump says China should investigate the Bidens, doubles down on Ukraine probe

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Trump, speaking outside the White House before departing for Florida, mentioned China after pressing his call for Ukraine to launch a probe into Biden and his son — a request he made in a July 25 phone call with Ukraine’s president that led Democrats to launch an impeachment inquiry.

“If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

 

Just go ahead and admit you want an emperor. Thatd be much more respectable than all the lying youre doing.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Farmer77

[ian hacktorp]

2 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Another example of why you need to vary your media sources https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/trump-slams-flimsy-pathetic-ridiculous-articles-impeachment-n1099516

 

You do mean except for the whole him admitting it and us having the conversation where he did so in black and white?

And then telling the world what he wanted from that very phone call when asked?

Trump says China should investigate the Bidens, doubles down on Ukraine probe

 

The inconvenient truth for the Dems is that Biden is not only dirty, but exposing him exposes the entire eight-year long grifting operation run by Obama and Clinton.  Trump can afford to double down because he knows what these people have done...and he has an obligation to the American people to expose it.

Biden doesn't really want to be president anyway...he's only in the race because he hopes it shields him.  It won't.

[Farmer77]

7 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

The inconvenient truth for the Dems is that Biden is not only dirty, but exposing him exposes the entire eight-year long grifting operation run by Obama and Clinton. 

Sadly for America even if this is true (thus far its not) the way Trump went about trying to expose it is an impeachable abuse of power.   

Way to avoid the facts presented btw

Edited December 13, 2019 by Farmer77

[ian hacktorp]

Y'all can get back to me when Trump orders the CIA and FBI to engage foreign intelligence assets to concoct false predicates to present to the FISA court for surveillance warrants against a political rival.  You know...like Obama did.

Until then, yer just p**sin' in the wind.

Edited December 13, 2019 by hacktorp

[ian hacktorp]

5 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

the way Trump went about trying to expose it is an impeachable abuse of power.

Let me know how that "impeachment" thing works out for you

[Farmer77]

Trump Administration Resists Ukraine Disclosures Ordered by Court

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The Trump administration has refused to disclose how key officials at the Department of Defense and the White House Office of Management and Budget reacted to President Trump’s decision to halt military aid to Ukraine.

On Nov. 25, federal district court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly ordered the administration to produce records reflecting what these officials said to one another about the legality and appropriateness of Trump’s order. The Center for Public Integrity sought the information in Freedom of Information Act requests filed in late September.

On Thursday afternoon, however, as the House Judiciary Committee was voting on two articles of impeachment against Trump, Public Integrity received 146 pages of documents that had been almost completely redacted by the government. Every substantive exchange between officials at the agencies was blacked out. Public Integrity is planning to file a motion Friday challenging the government’s response.

 

 

[Farmer77]

3 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Let me know how that "impeachment" thing works out for you

See there ya go. I can begrudgingly accept "ha-ha we're gonna win based on numbers" the whole  "nuh uh hes innocent" and the "hey look at this hand" thing though is just soooooo tiresome.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Farmer77

[Farmer77]

Our country is accepting the unacceptable

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The profound damage President Trump has inflicted on our liberties can be measured by widespread complacency in the face of his administration’s escalating attacks on the rule of law, our public servants and the truth itself.

As Attorney General William P. Barr was reducing the Justice Department to a legal defense and public relations firm, Trump himself (who pretends to be law enforcement’s greatest friend) was attacking the FBI in terms that authoritarians use to prepare the way for persecuting their political enemies.

“Look how they’ve hurt people,” Trump told his supporters Tuesday night in Hershey, Pa.. “They’ve destroyed the lives of people that were great people, that are still great people. Their lives have been destroyed by scum. Okay, by scum.”

 

[RavenHawk]

18 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

So there you have it.  YOU are trump's target audience - those who don't read, don't care, just blindly follow.

This reveals your ignorance so very clearly.  Sigh!  One does not need to read the entire 480 pages to get the gist of the report.  It is not some crime thriller filled with twists that you have to get to page 479 to find out who really did it?!  That’s what the executive summary is for.  Where did I say I didn’t read it?  I read enough of it (it had only just came out for god sake).  The only ones that need read it cover to cover are the lawyers that will use the report for the coming indictments.  The one thing to take away from this report is that there are so many acts of negligence in the process.  Not just the 17 in the FISA process, but another 23 in the Woods Procedures.  I have not confirmed the ‘23’ but the exact number is not important.  What’s important is that there was such a failure of procedure that it cannot be just negligence.  Especially considering the ultimate target.  There is no question in wrong doing by the Left.  The question is pinning it down on those responsible.  The Left will obfuscate as much as possible.  That is why the House will vote for impeachment because they are CYA.  This power block must be broken or we can kiss our Republic goodbye.  Everything has a reason.  Call it Divine Intervention or Karma, Trump is here to clean house and he is well on his way to accomplish it.  Trump is the Socialist’s chickens and he has come home to roost.  No, we don’t blindly follow.  Trump speaks to us in a manner others don’t understand.  They are deaf to it.  His message is to return this nation back to its original intent.  Those that don’t hear the message are afraid and they become angry, then they hate and that leads to suffering.

 

Read the dam report,  It's NOT a massive breakdown, it's a few procedural aberrations which did NOT affect the validity of the investigation.

It just takes 1 act to be a massive breakdown.  Actually, expecting one or two aberrations would be expected in any given case, but when you have 40 (or 17 if you like), there is a massive breakdown.  To call it anything else would be disingenuous. 

 

READ THE DAM REPORT.

I could read the entire report and the facts will still not change.  There was a massive breakdown in procedure because the FBI was weaponized by the previous Administration.  You had leadership that was empowered by Obama and felt like they were above the law.

 

Yes, AND THEY'VE TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY.

If they took responsibility, there would be mass firings and some sent to jail.  That hasn’t happened.  There were a few firings at the very top and a few reassignments and retirements.  Certainly not enough for the scope of the transgression.  A few sacrificial lambs are not going to quell justice.

 

What an incredible waste of time - you want semantics and you want to ignore what was actually said and pretend there was something hidden..

What is actually said is not always expressed by the exact words used.  Welcome to Washington.  It is populated by diplomats, lawyers, and politicians.  Professions that use inference as often as they breathe.  You see from the hearings that every time the Left open their mouths, it is for their own self-interest.  Every time Trump is boastful, it is for the interests of the nation.

 

Do you ever listen to yourself?  Unbelievable.  

I listen to myself all the time.  I’ll edit, reedit and reedit again to get a post right.  I don’t think you’ve been listening to me.  I kinda said what I did in the way I did, knowing you wouldn’t.  You didn’t disappoint.

 

Why the hell does anyone bother with this sort of incredible head-in-the-sand approach...? 

You couldn’t be more wrong.  This IG report is but the next step in laying the case against the Deep State.  This is not a head-in-the-sand approach.  It’s having the maturity and patience to allow things to play out on their own.  This is a marathon, not a sprint.  The Left are trying to make it a sprint to cover their wrong doings.

 

You happily admit you are completely disinterested in facts -

Where did I happily admit that?  Here’s a clue for you…I didn’t.  I am very interested in facts and especially the pertinent ones.  There is no need to get wrapped up in innocuous ones.  Those are the kind that the Left loves to confuse the issue with.  A good reader, good listener will pull out the important facts like smelting a precious metal from ore.

 

no wonder trump loves you, and apparently there are enough like-minds in the USA to keep this rolling.

I think there are enough patriots still left in this nation.

 

Thankfully I think there are enough UNlike minds to gradually unravel this mess, if not by impeachment, by simply voting this corruption out.

That’s Trump’s mission.  I think the Progs are going to lose the House in 2020.  But I think we need impeachment to move to the Senate.  Then the Left will be on trial.  This corruption needs to stop so that no other President or even private citizen will be endangered from the abuse of power by Congress or the Deep State.

 

Anyway, I won't make the mistake of asking you to read stuff again.  Onto the Ignore list you go.  At least you have now outed yourself.

What a pompous ar$e you are.  Good, then only others will see when I insult you and you are none the wiser.  I don’t need to be outed.  I already am.  I am a Constitutionalist Conservative.  And I call out Socialism and stupidity everywhere I can.

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

That’s Trump’s mission.  I think the Progs are going to lose the House in 2020.  But I think we need impeachment to move to the Senate.  Then the Left will be on trial.  This corruption needs to stop so that no other President or even private citizen will be endangered from the abuse of power by Congress or the Deep State.

The only way corruption will stop is if you root it out of both sides.  That is not something you are willing to face.  So the money will just go into different pockets.