zep73 Posted December 11, 2019 #1 Share Posted December 11, 2019 It has been suspected for long, that China is using Huawei for espionage, although no direct evidence for it has been seen. Maybe until now. A secret recording has revealed the Chinese ambassador threatening the president of the Faroe Islands, to use Huawei as their provider for their 5G network, or to lose their trade agreement. Is that the "smoking Huawei-gun" the west has been looking for? Full monty: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/11/chinese-ambassador-threatens-withdraw-trade-deal-faroe-islands/ 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted December 11, 2019 #2 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Like we don't already know that if it goes online at all it's not a secret anymore. Or we should. Only unknown is who is reading it and filing it somewhere. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 11, 2019 Author #3 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Not A Rockstar said: Like we don't already know that if it goes online at all it's not a secret anymore. Or we should. Only unknown is who is reading it and filing it somewhere. HTTPS (TLS) is encrypted with 128 bits or with 256 bits. It can be cracked, but it takes too long to do it, for intelligence agencies to wanna waste time on ordinary citizens daily usage. Your HTTPS traffic is secure. At least as long as you avoid Huawei products 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted December 11, 2019 #4 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I wouldn't say it's a 100 hundred percent smoking gun. But it adds to the claim. Though I'm sure China is using Huawei to spy or at least is planning to. It's in too instrumental of a spot for an intellegence agency to ignore. It seems pretty reasonable to assume they are using the company based on all the other spying going on: Chinese spy allegations going on in Austrailia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50541082 Tiawan https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/world/asia/taiwan-china-spying-elections.html Canada https://news.clearancejobs.com/2019/09/15/canada-arrests-chinese-spy-after-being-tipped-off-by-u-s-intelligence/ And The U.S guy I had a thread about https://www.npr.org/2019/11/22/782081965/ex-cia-officer-sentenced-to-19-years-for-conspiracy-to-spy-for-china 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted December 11, 2019 #5 Share Posted December 11, 2019 The fact that Huawai can be forced by the Chinese gouvernment to "support" and to "cooperate" for whatever reasons, is reason enough to avoid and boycott their products on principle. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted December 11, 2019 #6 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Quote Chinese ambassador threatening the president of the Faroe Islands, to use Huawei as their provider for their 5G network, or to lose their trade agreement. that is not espionage, extortion is more like it, ambassador is getting paid by the company most likely, not saying huawei isn't involved in espionage, but this is not the proof, nor even an evidence of it 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 11, 2019 #7 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Quote Hey they Johnny, ni hao MA? ~ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 11, 2019 Author #8 Share Posted December 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, aztek said: ambassador is getting paid by the company most likely China doesn't work that way. The communist party in China has absolute power. They tell their companies to jump, and the companies respond "how high?". Quote this is not the proof, nor even an evidence of it This proves that the communist party are calling the shots in Huawei. There is a broad consensus among European politicians, that this is the smoking gun regarding Huawei being used as a spying tool. But even if they should be innocent, the ship has sailed. No western government is ever going to trust Huawei. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted December 12, 2019 #9 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Wonder what the Chinese secret service makes of my search history.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Eternal Flame Posted December 12, 2019 #10 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, toast said: The fact that Huawai can be forced by the Chinese gouvernment to "support" and to "cooperate" for whatever reasons, is reason enough to avoid and boycott their products on principle. Why and how you taking the decision of commenting the post ? Edited December 12, 2019 by The Eternal Flame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted December 12, 2019 #11 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Fact check... Quote [00.17:07] ~ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted December 12, 2019 #12 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 hours ago, sci-nerd said: A secret recording has revealed the Chinese ambassador threatening the president of the Faroe Islands, to use Huawei as their provider for their 5G network, or to lose their trade agreement. Not very nice is it? A high official from a big country asking the president of a small and vulnerable country for a favor? But then I hear that is the way foreign policy is supposed to work. I am sure if we interview the president of the Faroe Islands he will say he felt no pressure.. I don't know if third-eye speaks Mandarin, but if he could translate, we might find that it was a perfect call. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 12, 2019 #13 Share Posted December 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, third_eye said: Fact check... [00.17:07] ~ Hi Thrid_eye My sentiments exactly . jmccr8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Not A Rockstar Posted December 12, 2019 #14 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Like I said earlier, and Third Eye's video supports, if you put it online, assume its being seen by someone else. Simple. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted December 12, 2019 #15 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Meanwhile Quote China has told government offices and state-run institutions to get rid of all foreign computers and software in the next three years. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/china-computer-ban-google-microsoft-intel-huawei-a9239146.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 12, 2019 #16 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Meanwhile https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/china-computer-ban-google-microsoft-intel-huawei-a9239146.html A very sensible precaution on their part. Who KNOWS what "back doors" DEL and HP have put into their desktops. We should be doing it to their IT products, of all types, for the same reasons. Throw those Lenovo computers OUT ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted December 12, 2019 #17 Share Posted December 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: A very sensible precaution on their part. Who KNOWS what "back doors" DEL and HP have put into their desktops. We should be doing it to their IT products, of all types, for the same reasons. Throw those Lenovo computers OUT ! I agree it's smart and we should be doing the same thing. It's extremely naive to assume a goverment is not using a massive tech company to try and spy. Which is why we should be concerned about allowing Huweia became such a massive and instrumental part of our infrastructure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted December 12, 2019 #18 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Like apple haven't been doing it for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 12, 2019 Author #19 Share Posted December 12, 2019 45 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: A very sensible precaution on their part. Who KNOWS what "back doors" DEL and HP have put into their desktops. We should be doing it to their IT products, of all types, for the same reasons. Throw those Lenovo computers OUT ! Easy now... I have a Lenovo, so let's be reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted December 12, 2019 #20 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Easy now... I have a Lenovo, so let's be reasonable. Step... AWAY.. from the keyboard and assume the position...:P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted December 12, 2019 #21 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, RoofGardener said: A very sensible precaution on their part. Who KNOWS what "back doors" DEL and HP have put into their desktops. We should be doing it to their IT products, of all types, for the same reasons. Throw those Lenovo computers OUT ! My son works in the software industry. Software now is so big and complex and worked on by so many teams, there are always problems and surprises. Programmers leave in their own back doors as a way to get in and fix problems that lock up the other inputs. They are supposed to take them out when the software is debugged and production ready. Those are the private ones, not the ones put in by design that the software company or government might require. Hard to tell just how many different "back doors" there might be in a big software bundle and who has the keys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted July 14, 2020 #22 Share Posted July 14, 2020 UK to ban Huawei from 5G network Report at Reuters: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-huawei-ban/uk-to-ban-huawei-from-5g-network-idUKKCN24F1D5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted July 14, 2020 #23 Share Posted July 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Eldorado said: UK to ban Huawei from 5G network Report at Reuters: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-huawei-ban/uk-to-ban-huawei-from-5g-network-idUKKCN24F1D5 Good job U.K . I've been reading that earlier last year the U.K was looking into South Korea and Japanese companies to do the 5G network instead. I hope other nations follow suite. There are plenty of other companies to give business to that are not security risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted July 14, 2020 #24 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Appeasing the madness... Quote https://www.bbc.com › news › t... Coronavirus: Twitter bans incitement to attack 5G towers - BBC News Twitter is to delete "unverified claims" that could lead directly to the destruction of critical infrastructure or cause widespread ... https://www.pcmag.com › news Over 50 Cell Towers Vandalized in UK Due to 5G Coronavirus Conspiracy ... 15 Apr 2020 · Despite there being no link between 5G and the coronavirus , infrastructure has been damaged and ... www.nytimes.com How a 5G Coronavirus Conspiracy Theory Fueled Arson and Harassment in Britain 10 Apr 2020 · A conspiracy theory linking the spread of the coronavirus to 5G wireless technology has spurred more than 100 ... www.businessinsider.com Here's what we know about the bizarre coronavirus 5G conspiracy theory that ... 6 May 2020 · Arsonists in the UK have been destroying 5G phone masts, apparently spurred on by a coronavirus ... ~ Scapegoats on the altar... ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted July 14, 2020 #25 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, third_eye said: Appeasing the madness... ~ Scapegoats on the altar... ~ Nice job conflating two seperate things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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