Bloomberg buys 2A restrictions in VA

[Hawken]

Illinois is a Dem state. Out of 102 counties, 67 are 2A. There are 19 states thus far that are 2A.

[Big Jim]

My concern is, when they go door to door checking for weapons, how do you prove you don't have one?  Will they be satisfied when they've searched your home like a pack of rabid DEA agents?  Will they have to excavate to be sure you haven't buried them?  Will they jail you if they think you're lying?  They have to expect resistance from gun owners, so what protects non gun owners from suspicion?

[+and-then]

Update:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary

I'd say a message is being sent in the clear about what the people of this state want.  Their actions are helping create a template for all states to use and refine.

[Uncle Sam]

3 hours ago, and then said:

Update:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary

I'd say a message is being sent in the clear about what the people of this state want.  Their actions are helping create a template for all states to use and refine.

I support the virginian in their right to bear arms. Democrats are now straight up just ignoring majority of the population's wants and needs to push political gun confiscation laws. 79% of the state is now 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Counties. 

[Uncle Sam]

On 12/14/2019 at 2:13 PM, Tatetopa said:

From your reference, I read several laws are proposed (put in effect?)

Assault weapons ban

Red Flag law

Universal background checks

Requirements for keeping weapons safe in houses with children

Limit of one firearm purchase per month.

Are there more?

A lot of discussion has been floated about red flag laws.  How do we keep firearms out of the hands of crazies?  Or can we? Or should we?  

I am dubious that a limitation on number of firearms purchased per month can be linked to number of gun deaths, I suppose it targets groups stockpiling weapons.  

Universal background checks and elimination of the hunting loophole might have save the victims at PAS.  A more general question is do foreign nationals living working or studying in the US have the same rights as citizens to purchase and carry firearms?

Seems like a large part of it will come down to will the issue of  citizens trusting the government to enforce these laws justly and fairly or not. 

Should never, ever trust the government except for the limited powers we afford to it. Would you trust the government with your home? With your parental status of your children? How about where you will work? Maybe they can determine if you're able to eat or not? The government does p*** poor job with many powers we afford it as citizens, so why should we give them immediate control over rather we can defend ourselves or not?

Edited December 21, 2019 by Uncle Sam

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

Should never, ever trust the government except for the limited powers we afford to it. Would you trust the government with your home? With your parental status of your children? How about where you will work? Maybe they can determine if you're able to eat or not? The government does p*** poor job with many powers we afford it as citizens, so why should we give them immediate control over rather we can defend ourselves or not?

That is the $64 dollar question.  The million dollar question is why do we tolerate a government that can't be trusted?

[+and-then]

A rally for gun rights is scheduled for Monday, Jan. 20th.  100 thousand are expected to be in attendance and the Virginia governor has issued an emergency order that no weapons can be carried at this rally in the capitol.  

https://www.foxnews.com/media/virginia-gun-rally-second-amendment-sanctuary

He's saying that valid threats have been received and this is a law enforcement issue.  He's damned right about THAT.  It's about an un-Constitutional power grab through "laws" that these citizens are standing against and saying "this far and no further!"  If there is violence it can be laid at the feet of the Democrats who took these steps to pass unConstitutional laws.

[Vorg]

28 minutes ago, and then said:

A rally for gun rights is scheduled for Monday, Jan. 20th.  100 thousand are expected to be in attendance and the Virginia governor has issued an emergency order that no weapons can be carried at this rally in the capitol.  

https://www.foxnews.com/media/virginia-gun-rally-second-amendment-sanctuary

He's saying that valid threats have been received and this is a law enforcement issue.  He's damned right about THAT.  It's about an un-Constitutional power grab through "laws" that these citizens are standing against and saying "this far and no further!"  If there is violence it can be laid at the feet of the Democrats who took these steps to pass unConstitutional laws.

This is the same Virginia Governor who said after a child was born they could let the doctors and mother consider the fate of the child, in regards to abortion. After birth, it would be murder period.

[Big Jim]

I find it ironic that this is happening in Virginia, considering that several of the Founders who put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights were Virginians.

Tatetopa asked:

"why do we tolerate a government that can't be trusted? "  That is exactly what the Founders had in mind in ensuring that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." and is even the seed that gave birth to the whole idea of the United States.  At the time it was written an armed populace was a force equal to or better than the government itself.  With the power that the Federal Government now has it is largely symbolic but no less important, as it represents the last vestige of real freedom and the ability to ensure it.

[Uncle Sam]

The talk about confiscating gun rights from the citizens is basically an rural vs. urban debate.

What most of these anti-gun people don't realize is that 97% of United States is rural area. They are taking a policy designed for urban areas which accounts for 3% of United States and applying it to rural areas of United States. Rural areas have a very low police present that takes sometimes up to a hour for them to arrive on the scene, by then the crime has been committed or the wild animal has already claimed a victim. By owning a gun, you are able to defend yourself from any potentially dangerous situation when you basically on your own with the police sometimes hours away before they even show up. By advocating a nation wide ban on firearms, you are taking away these people's ability to defend themselves from harm or even death. Removing these people's rights to defend themselves is basically cosigning many of them to death or to become victims to criminals who don't obey the law to be begin with. Criminals will always be able to get a gun through the black market, but the citizens will only be able to get a gun through legitimate stores.

I like to think democrats voters are misguided and ill-informed, but lately I come to believe they are more malicious and intentionally making people vulnerable for selfish motives. Democrats are making the need to defend your family and your livelihood by owning a gun a criminal act, thus turning many citizens who are located in rural areas and are predominately Republican criminals overnight. Owning guns is not only about defending yourself from a tyrannical government, which Virginia governor and his actions do constitute a tyrannical actions, but it also about self-defense and protecting your family which will never stop being a priority in this world.

Are you okay with cosigning a family to death or victimhood because you arrogantly believe your solution is right?

Edited January 18, 2020 by Uncle Sam