UM-Bot Posted December 15, 2019 #1 Share Posted December 15, 2019 A new film explores the events surrounding one of the world's most enduring UFO mysteries. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/332993/new-movie-explores-kecksburg-ufo-mystery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted December 15, 2019 #2 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Why is the original website called "principalitiesofdarkness.com"???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #3 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Intriguing case. One documentary has it that a witness at a military base actually saw an ET being that came from the craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bed of chaos Posted December 15, 2019 #4 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) I like the picture. Could be an advertisement for Kecksburg: The Pinball Game. Edited December 15, 2019 by Bed of chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #5 Share Posted December 15, 2019 55 minutes ago, Bed of chaos said: I like the picture. Could be an advertisement for Kecksburg: The Pinball Game. Never mind the picture. What about the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 15, 2019 #6 Share Posted December 15, 2019 What mystery? Seems this is what it certainly could have been Quote The unidentified flying object that came down Dec. 9, 1965, they say, was a General Electric Mark 2 Re-entry Vehicle that had been launched by the Air Force as a spy satellite, but fell out of orbit. https://www.post-gazette.com/news/science/2015/12/06/50-years-later-the-Kecksburg-Westmoreland-County-UFO-is-identified-probably/stories/201512060146 This is the info , note they look alike and it was in the 50's late 60's Quote https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/missile-reentry-vehicle-mark-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted December 15, 2019 #7 Share Posted December 15, 2019 The Kecksburg incident is yet another case of something actually happening, but out course the paranormal interpretation of events is the only one anyone pays attention to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #8 Share Posted December 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Not Your Huckleberry said: The Kecksburg incident is yet another case of something actually happening, but out course the paranormal interpretation of events is the only one anyone pays attention to. The problem is that the military were all over it with intense secrecy. Speaks of much more than a soviet satellite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #9 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, freetoroam said: What mystery? Seems this is what it certainly could have been This is the info , note they look alike and it was in the 50's late 60's No it wasnt that. Good try but not what the witnesses reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #10 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) Debunking the satellite theory: What we now know is that there are individuals who say that they went down into the woods that December day in 1965, before the military arrived, and came across upon a large metallic acorn shaped object partially buried in the ground. The device was large enough for a man to stand inside of it. The object was a bronze-gold color, and appeared to be one solid piece of metal, displaying no rivets or seams. At the back of the acorn shape was what witness Jim Romansky calls the bumper area. Upon this area were unusual markings that Romansky says looked similar to ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Romansky who has been a machinist for many years, says the object itself, looked as though it had been made from liquid metal and poured into a big mold........... .....................It has been confirmed that a faulty Soviet Venus probe identified as Kosmos 96, reentered in Canada on the same date, but at about 3:18 A.M. The sightings around Kecksburg occurred at about 4:47 P.M. many hours later. The Russian’s have told me that Kosmos 96 was not the source of what fell that day. https://www.stangordon.info/wp/kecksburg/ Edited December 15, 2019 by Vaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 15, 2019 #11 Share Posted December 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vaz said: No it wasnt that. Good try but not what the witnesses reported. How can you be so sure? The witnesses reported an object which resembles a reentry vehicle. Here is what the witnesses saw Quote Several locals including members of the fire department went out to investigate the scene and came across an odd acorn-shaped object the size of a small car with strange writing on its surface. Within a short space of time there were reports of an intense military presence at the crash site with army officials ordering civilians away from the scene while the object was being loaded onto a truck. Considering it is highly likely the locals did not know what a rentry vehicle looked liked, possibly did not even know they existed, you can not rule out what they saw for not too long, was a reentry vehicle. The similarities are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #12 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Just now, freetoroam said: How can you be so sure? The witnesses reported an object which resembles a reentry vehicle. Here is what the witnesses saw Considering it is highly likely the locals did not know what a rentry vehicle looked liked, possibly did not even know they existed, you can not rule out what they saw for not too long, was a reentry vehicle. The similarities are there. You just missed my post. See above. Satellite easily debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #13 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) This is more like what the witnesses reported: In other words not one of ours. The final thing for the the skeptics to bear in mind is that if it was a soviet satellite or a US manufactured item then why not after all these years tell us? The case fits the precise pattern of every other UFO recovery made by the military. It's obvious what it was. Edited December 15, 2019 by Vaz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 15, 2019 #14 Share Posted December 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Vaz said: You just missed my post. See above. Satellite easily debunked. I saw it and it certainly does not debunk it. It is clear the witnesses were not experienced in reentry vehicles so if they came across one, they would not have known what it was. So for the witnesses it certainly was a UFO. Some saw a fireball coming down and it crashed in the woods. Do you think something with the ability to travel light years from another galaxy would not be able to land their spaceship? It makes it through the dangers out in space, passes other planets and through the milkyway and gets to Earth only to burn up and crash? Bare in mind this object was not very big. Your witnesses saw a UFO, but when someone sees something for the first time, they have nothing to compare it with. Bare in mind they were very likely not experienced in alien crafts either, but we know NOW for a fact there were Re-entry Vehicles being used in those years. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 15, 2019 #15 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, freetoroam said: I saw it and it certainly does not debunk it. It is clear the witnesses were not experienced in reentry vehicles so if they came across one, they would not have known what it was. So for the witnesses it certainly was a UFO. Some saw a fireball coming down and it crashed in the woods. Do you think something with the ability to travel light years from another galaxy would not be able to land their spaceship? It makes it through the dangers out in space, passes other planets and through the milkyway and gets to Earth only to burn up and crash? Bare in mind this object was not very big. Your witnesses saw a UFO, but when someone sees something for the first time, they have nothing to compare it with. Bare in mind they were very likely not experienced in alien crafts either, but we know NOW for a fact there were Re-entry Vehicles being used in those years. . Again no common sense is being applied. How do you suppose a man made satellite of that time would survive a direct impact to ground? There was no debris field reported. The object had to be solid moulded as the witness reported to survive. For God sake start thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 15, 2019 #16 Share Posted December 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, Vaz said: This is more like what the witnesses reported: In other words not one of ours. The final thing for the the skeptics to bear in mind is that if it was a soviet satellite or a US manufactured item then why not after all these years tell us? The case fits the precise pattern of every other UFO recovery made by the military. It's obvious what it was. Thats what they think they saw. The object had just been burning up and crashed landed. The metal was still hot. The description given was an odd acorn shaped, seeing as there are no photos then you can not possibly bring this picture and say this was the object seen. It may have been LIKE the object seen, but the picture is not of what was seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 15, 2019 #17 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Vaz said: For God sake start thinking. You're an angry fellow, ain't cha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted December 15, 2019 #18 Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Vaz said: Again no common sense is being applied. How do you suppose a man made satellite of that time would survive a direct impact to ground? There was no debris field reported. The object had to be solid moulded as the witness reported to survive. For God sake start thinking. What? Do you expect them to disintegrate? Jeeze! The metsl is still hot after burning up, it is not going to shatter all over the place. It depends where it falls too as to the amount of damage it sustains, eg: it did not fall on rocks! You seem adamant it is an alien craft, so far you have provided nothing to indicate it was, the few witness starements are only credible to say it was to them a UFO, the facts there were reentry vehicles and the object was not stable enough to land on Earth even though you think it able to fly millions of miles around the universe, is credible enough to say it was not an alien craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawken Posted December 16, 2019 #19 Share Posted December 16, 2019 @susieice and @JVG remember this in your state over 50 years ago? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 16, 2019 #20 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, freetoroam said: Thats what they think they saw. The object had just been burning up and crashed landed. The metal was still hot. The description given was an odd acorn shaped, seeing as there are no photos then you can not possibly bring this picture and say this was the object seen. It may have been LIKE the object seen, but the picture is not of what was seen. Not another one trying to write their own narrative because they don't like the sound of the real one. Lol Edited December 16, 2019 by Vaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 16, 2019 #21 Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 hours ago, freetoroam said: What? Do you expect them to disintegrate? Jeeze! The metsl is still hot after burning up, it is not going to shatter all over the place. It depends where it falls too as to the amount of damage it sustains, eg: it did not fall on rocks! You seem adamant it is an alien craft, so far you have provided nothing to indicate it was, the few witness starements are only credible to say it was to them a UFO, the facts there were reentry vehicles and the object was not stable enough to land on Earth even though you think it able to fly millions of miles around the universe, is credible enough to say it was not an alien craft. Sorry mate. But it would disintegrate on impact. Why do you thing re-entry capsules have a parachute brake and land in the ocean? The skeptics are completely losing it it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 16, 2019 #22 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Vaz said: Sorry mate. But it would disintegrate on impact making re- entry at that speed. Why do you thing re-entry capsules have a parachute brake and land in the ocean? All the capsules that have landed relatively in tact on the ground are parachute braked. The skeptics are completely losing it it would seem. The likely outcome: thespacereview.com/article/3229/2 Edited December 16, 2019 by Vaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701 Posted December 16, 2019 #23 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) The reentry vehicle probably had a heatshield and parachute, thats why it survived. Witnesses did not see the chute as it was probably high up in the dark trees somewhere. Edited December 16, 2019 by NCC1701 spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 16, 2019 #24 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, NCC1701 said: The reentry vehicle probably had a heatshield and parachute, thats why it survived. Witnesses did not see the chute as it was probably high up in the dark trees somewhere. No witnesses saw a parachute despite watching it for some time. In fact the object was reported to have changed direction. If you don't like the narrative change it. Isn't that your only stance? Find out what really happened in the remote town of Kecksburg, Pennsylvania on the chilly evening of December 9, 1965 as documentary filmmakers explore the hotly-contested events surrounding the crash of a mysterious object from space that some people claimed to have been an actual UFO. Though quickly dismissed by government officials as a simple meteorite, eyewitnesses claimed the descending object not only changed direction and left a vapor trail in its wake, and those who got a closer look claimed that it appeared to be a copper-colored, acorn-shaped craft https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dvd-secrets-of-ufos-kecksburg-ufo-crash/10914350 Edited December 16, 2019 by Vaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaz Posted December 16, 2019 #25 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I would challenge the skeptics on this one to answer: 1) Why do witnesses say it changed direction? 2) Where is the object now? Why hasn't the USM come clean? 3) If it was terrestrial how come it didn't break up? 4) How come the witnesses that were at the scene described an acorn shaped object. They were after all at the scene. This is why people are adamant that it was an ET craft. However if you want to make up your own narrative then of course it could be a Chevy Nova. After all isn't the truth what we want it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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