The Road to Brexit

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Weren't the majority of brexit voters the elderly ? Id imagine any party would be tea and scones and egg and cress sandwiches. Let me know if they have any bacon and brown sauce sandwiches. I'll come and celebrate with you'all. 

As Churchill once said `a young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart, an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head`. 

Younger people are more idealistic, older people are more pragmatic. The reason being is young people have yet to learn that we dont live in an ideal world, while maturity brings the understanding we have to deal with the way things actually are.

In the UK the last time we had a Corbyn approach to economics was in the 1970s and it was bad. At the height of it unions where crippling the state with strikes unless employees were routinely getting 20% pay rises every year. It got so bad that electricity was only running for a couple of hours a day and people were forced to work part-time as part of job sharing schemes. This is why the media really laid into Corbyn stopping him being elected.

The young whippersnappers, the millennials, weren't alive in the 1970s and didnt get to see the after effects in the 1980s. They did see phoney Tony and butt kisser Brown, along with their illegal war, attempts to become dictator, selling our nations gold, and raiding pension schemes. But it didnt really impact them and they are just focused on the lack of career opportunities since 2008. They wanted Corbyn and the EU, the rest of us stopped that in its tracks pretty sharpish.

The fresh out of nappies young whippersnappers haven't known anything other than the EU. They didnt know that we were a superpower back in the 1970s and 1980s. They dont know 95% of everything on sale in the shops said `Made in Britain`. To them they thing we are losing something by leaving the EU, to the rest of us we can see we can claim it back.

When the younger ones are a bit older, in their 30s and 40s, and the UK economy has rebuilt most of what we lost then they in turn will become Tory voters. When something goes wrong in the economy (as it does every now and again) perhaps causing a recession then the worry is there wont be enough of us older ones left to stop the latest younger generation voting in what is essentially communism. And if they are allowed into power the cycle of problems will occur again.

Socialisms aim of reducing poverty in society is an admirable one, but its one founded in idealism not pragmaticism. As higher taxes are levied on our businesses to pay for it they struggle to compete in cost sensitive markets. It means the only way to prop up the socialism without ruining the economy is to move your factories to a third world country like China. Something which shrinks the middle class leaving people either working in minimum wage positions or high flying financial jobs. Socialism, combined with the EU which is heavily socialist, has gutted our middle Britain.

But now we are out we can start our ascent once again.

[itsnotoutthere]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Just an observation bee but Tory politicians haven't really behaved well or set a good example during Coronavirus lockdown. Boris acting like Trump and got the virus and you would have thought Dom the Ferret should have behaved better. Really don't know why he wasn't. I think he should have gone. 

All this comment tells me is you are an avid BBC watcher. There are 4 Labour MPs at present that have broken the Lockdown rules 2 of them to go to birthday parties, but then you wouldn't have heard about them on the BBC. Lift your blinkers mate.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1287524/Lisa-Nandy-news-GMB-Twitter-reaction-Good-Morning-Britain-Labour-Kinnock-lockdown-latest

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/25/keir-starmers-brazen-hypocrisy-cummings-backfire/

https://order-order.com/2020/05/27/exclusive-campbell-pictures-himself-breaking-lockdown-social-distancing-rules/

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by itsnotoutthere

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, itsnotoutthere said:

All this comment tells me is you are an avid BBC watcher. There are 4 Labour MPs at present that have broken the Lockdown rules 2 of them to go to birthday parties, but then you wouldn't have heard about them on the BBC. Lift your blinkers mate.

Wasn't aware of that. Id like to see the facts. Post a link if you're in the mood and i promise to look at it and comment. 

[itsnotoutthere]

And :- Not much outrage on the BBC about this either.

https://order-order.com/2020/05/25/picnicking-leo-varadkar-broke-irish-lockdown-rules/

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dominic-cummings-leo-varadkar-lockdown-coronavirus-picnic-a9532661.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287090/leo-varadkar-park-picnic-video-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-breach-ireland

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/varadkar-on-his-phoenix-park-picnic-you-have-to-live-your-life-if-youre-afraid-of-photographs-youd-never-go-out-39243552.html

 

And how many BBC staff breaking the rules here?

Edited May 29, 2020 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

And how about this for an epic 'Gotcha' moment.   The MSM, What a bunch of hypocrites.

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by itsnotoutthere

[Unusual Tournament]

21 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

And :- Not much outrage on the BBC about this either.

https://order-order.com/2020/05/25/picnicking-leo-varadkar-broke-irish-lockdown-rules/

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/dominic-cummings-leo-varadkar-lockdown-coronavirus-picnic-a9532661.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1287090/leo-varadkar-park-picnic-video-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-breach-ireland

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/varadkar-on-his-phoenix-park-picnic-you-have-to-live-your-life-if-youre-afraid-of-photographs-youd-never-go-out-39243552.html

 

And how many BBC staff breaking the rules here?

Yeah rules are rules and Leo broke the rules. Not by much, thou. Dominic on the other hand drove like half way around England to beat the same rules that he advised Boris to implement. I think thats substantial and intentional. 

[itsnotoutthere]

22 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Yeah rules are rules and Leo broke the rules. Not by much, thou. Dominic on the other hand drove like half way around England to beat the same rules that he advised Boris to implement. I think thats substantial and intentional. 

So, where is the wall to wall coverage & hoards of reporters calling for him to resign? 

And the police wording regarding Cummings : "might have been a minor breach of the regulations" 

Let's stop being purposely naive, we all know that this whole spectacle is politically motivated. It's been common knowledge that as architect of the Brexit campaign to leave the left have been gunning for Cummings & just looking for the slightest opportunity to go after him. And here we are. This faux outrage is purely a means to an end, and as our MSM is chock full of left leaning activists that are still p****d off because Boris won the general election so spectacularly they are more than happy to pile on. They're disgusting & have been all the way through this crisis.

And if all that I've written above wasn't the case, they would be going after 4 Labour MPs & Leo Varadkar in exactly the same way.....and deep down you know it.

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by itsnotoutthere

[Unusual Tournament]

2 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

As Churchill once said `a young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart, an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head`. 

Younger people are more idealistic, older people are more pragmatic. The reason being is young people have yet to learn that we dont live in an ideal world, while maturity brings the understanding we have to deal with the way things actually are.

In the UK the last time we had a Corbyn approach to economics was in the 1970s and it was bad. At the height of it unions where crippling the state with strikes unless employees were routinely getting 20% pay rises every year. It got so bad that electricity was only running for a couple of hours a day and people were forced to work part-time as part of job sharing schemes. This is why the media really laid into Corbyn stopping him being elected.

The young whippersnappers, the millennials, weren't alive in the 1970s and didnt get to see the after effects in the 1980s. They did see phoney Tony and butt kisser Brown, along with their illegal war, attempts to become dictator, selling our nations gold, and raiding pension schemes. But it didnt really impact them and they are just focused on the lack of career opportunities since 2008. They wanted Corbyn and the EU, the rest of us stopped that in its tracks pretty sharpish.

The fresh out of nappies young whippersnappers haven't known anything other than the EU. They didnt know that we were a superpower back in the 1970s and 1980s. They dont know 95% of everything on sale in the shops said `Made in Britain`. To them they thing we are losing something by leaving the EU, to the rest of us we can see we can claim it back.

When the younger ones are a bit older, in their 30s and 40s, and the UK economy has rebuilt most of what we lost then they in turn will become Tory voters. When something goes wrong in the economy (as it does every now and again) perhaps causing a recession then the worry is there wont be enough of us older ones left to stop the latest younger generation voting in what is essentially communism. And if they are allowed into power the cycle of problems will occur again.

Socialisms aim of reducing poverty in society is an admirable one, but its one founded in idealism not pragmaticism. As higher taxes are levied on our businesses to pay for it they struggle to compete in cost sensitive markets. It means the only way to prop up the socialism without ruining the economy is to move your factories to a third world country like China. Something which shrinks the middle class leaving people either working in minimum wage positions or high flying financial jobs. Socialism, combined with the EU which is heavily socialist, has gutted our middle Britain.

But now we are out we can start our ascent once again.

Its a lengthy reply. Starting with Churchill. What a legend. I love his quotes. I especial like his quote when confronted by a lady who insisted that if she was married to him she'd serve him poison, replying that if he was married to her he'd drink it. Such a mind. Brilliant man with conviction. A pity history won't truely do the man justice and give him the credit he deserves for defeating Hitler. Instead having to share the honour with lesser men.

Still the future belongs to the young and if Cameron hadn't caved in like a school girl to the bookworm club they would have got the future they wanted, instead of the uncertainty thats coming. That's the difference. Not a question of a debatable right or wrong. 

NHS is a socialist concept and its indispensable to the UK. The EU is about building bridges and political union. Britain was never going to accept a common currency, social and political union. You're leaders wisely or wrongly saw to that so leaving made that much mote easier. 

But it seems they'll be better off in some regards and the Coronavirus action plan is proof that solidarity among peers can also pay handsome dividends.

Ahhh... you're ascent. Well thats open for interpretation. When the UK came asking to join the EU it was in dire straights economically and unfairly treated after WW2 by the victorious allies. The EU made Britain what it is today. Of course you Neo Colonists can try again to go it alone but its a different world. America and Europe are the premier economic powers. China and India are on the rise. Russia will remain a super power  and i just can't see much room for a stand alone former European power. Good luck!    

[Unusual Tournament]

You bring some good points to the argument, @itsnotoutthere but not enough to sway me. Dominic Cummings knowingly broke the rules and tried to hide he deserved to be at least publicly reprimanded. 

[itsnotoutthere]

25 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

You bring some good points to the argument, @itsnotoutthere but not enough to sway me. Dominic Cummings knowingly broke the rules and tried to hide he deserved to be at least publicly reprimanded. 

Yes, i see what you mean, it's much more serious to make a 'minor breach' of the rules to get your autistic son childcare while you're ill if you're a government advisor than it is if you're the leader of your country and pop down the park for a picnic with his gay chums.....as the americans say...go figure.

And I know you won't be swayed because you are part of the group mentioned in my earlier post, i.e of the left.

Edited May 29, 2020 by itsnotoutthere

[Unusual Tournament]

4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes, i see what you mean, it's much more serious to make a 'minor breach' of the rules to get your autistic son childcare while you're ill if you're a government advisor than it is if you're the leader of your country and pop down the park for a picnic with your gay chums.

Here's an interesting examination of the rules and circumstances that lead to Cummings actions.

https://fullfact.org/health/dominic-cummings-lockdown-rules/

Yeah i guess its a borderline situation. But he did have other options.

Take Care.  

[itsnotoutthere]

Just now, Captain Risky said:

Here's an interesting examination of the rules and circumstances that lead to Cummings actions.

https://fullfact.org/health/dominic-cummings-lockdown-rules/

Yeah i guess its a borderline situation. But he did have other options.

Take Care.  

You too. Stick too those lockdown rules 

[Setton]

On 5/29/2020 at 7:53 AM, Cookie Monster said:

Imagine the extra special end of year celebrations we will have this year?

New Years Day is a Friday too. Thats right, its a ****off Friday!!! Followed by a hole day of drinking and street parties. This is going to be a celebration on the scale of winning the World Cup or a major war.

Yeah, no. Most NYE parties this year will probably be at home or 2 metres apart...

On 5/29/2020 at 10:37 AM, Cookie Monster said:

As Churchill once said `a young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart, an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head`. 

Younger people are more idealistic, older people are more pragmatic. The reason being is young people have yet to learn that we dont live in an ideal world, while maturity brings the understanding we have to deal with the way things actually are.

In the UK the last time we had a Corbyn approach to economics was in the 1970s and it was bad. At the height of it unions where crippling the state with strikes unless employees were routinely getting 20% pay rises every year. It got so bad that electricity was only running for a couple of hours a day and people were forced to work part-time as part of job sharing schemes. This is why the media really laid into Corbyn stopping him being elected.

The young whippersnappers, the millennials, weren't alive in the 1970s and didnt get to see the after effects in the 1980s. They did see phoney Tony and butt kisser Brown, along with their illegal war, attempts to become dictator, selling our nations gold, and raiding pension schemes. But it didnt really impact them and they are just focused on the lack of career opportunities since 2008. They wanted Corbyn and the EU, the rest of us stopped that in its tracks pretty sharpish.

The fresh out of nappies young whippersnappers haven't known anything other than the EU. They didnt know that we were a superpower back in the 1970s and 1980s. They dont know 95% of everything on sale in the shops said `Made in Britain`. To them they thing we are losing something by leaving the EU, to the rest of us we can see we can claim it back.

When the younger ones are a bit older, in their 30s and 40s, 

Millennials already are in their 30s and 40s. And Britain hasn't been a superpower since the Suez Canal.

[Duke Wellington]

43 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yeah, no. Most NYE parties this year will probably be at home or 2 metres apart...

Millennials already are in their 30s and 40s. And Britain hasn't been a superpower since the Suez Canal.

By millennials I am talking 2000+

[spartan max2]

Millennials are 23 to 39 currently.

Anything below is Gen Z. Above is X or Boomer.

Edited June 1, 2020 by spartan max2

[Setton]

3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

By millennials I am talking 2000+

Then you are talking gibberish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

It's good to know that, even in these strange times, some things are constant.

[Duke Wellington]

36 minutes ago, Setton said:

Then you are talking gibberish.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

It's good to know that, even in these strange times, some things are constant.

Well we are clearly living in different universes then because it says it includes 2000s when I click on it.

[Setton]

45 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Well we are clearly living in different universes then because it says it includes 2000s when I click on it.

"with 1981 to 1996 a widely accepted defining range for the generation."

If ever you feel like visiting planet Earth, please be aware that our visa scheme does include a basic language test.

[Duke Wellington]

41 minutes ago, Setton said:

"with 1981 to 1996 a widely accepted defining range for the generation."

If ever you feel like visiting planet Earth, please be aware that our visa scheme does include a basic language test.

Good, a widely accepted defining range is not what it is everywhere.

Thats English comprehension that lol.

[odas]

On 5/29/2020 at 5:37 AM, Cookie Monster said:

As Churchill once said `a young man who isn't a socialist hasn't got a heart, an old man who is a socialist hasn't got a head`. 

Younger people are more idealistic, older people are more pragmatic. The reason being is young people have yet to learn that we dont live in an ideal world, while maturity brings the understanding we have to deal with the way things actually are.

In the UK the last time we had a Corbyn approach to economics was in the 1970s and it was bad. At the height of it unions where crippling the state with strikes unless employees were routinely getting 20% pay rises every year. It got so bad that electricity was only running for a couple of hours a day and people were forced to work part-time as part of job sharing schemes. This is why the media really laid into Corbyn stopping him being elected.

The young whippersnappers, the millennials, weren't alive in the 1970s and didnt get to see the after effects in the 1980s. They did see phoney Tony and butt kisser Brown, along with their illegal war, attempts to become dictator, selling our nations gold, and raiding pension schemes. But it didnt really impact them and they are just focused on the lack of career opportunities since 2008. They wanted Corbyn and the EU, the rest of us stopped that in its tracks pretty sharpish.

The fresh out of nappies young whippersnappers haven't known anything other than the EU. They didnt know that we were a superpower back in the 1970s and 1980s. They dont know 95% of everything on sale in the shops said `Made in Britain`. To them they thing we are losing something by leaving the EU, to the rest of us we can see we can claim it back.

When the younger ones are a bit older, in their 30s and 40s, and the UK economy has rebuilt most of what we lost then they in turn will become Tory voters. When something goes wrong in the economy (as it does every now and again) perhaps causing a recession then the worry is there wont be enough of us older ones left to stop the latest younger generation voting in what is essentially communism. And if they are allowed into power the cycle of problems will occur again.

Socialisms aim of reducing poverty in society is an admirable one, but its one founded in idealism not pragmaticism. As higher taxes are levied on our businesses to pay for it they struggle to compete in cost sensitive markets. It means the only way to prop up the socialism without ruining the economy is to move your factories to a third world country like China. Something which shrinks the middle class leaving people either working in minimum wage positions or high flying financial jobs. Socialism, combined with the EU which is heavily socialist, has gutted our middle Britain.

But now we are out we can start our ascent once again.

Ah, shut up. Young people blah blah blah. But no problem those young, idealistic, inexperienced people sending out to wars that you old ones create and not participate in? Maybe Corona does know what it is doing.

[Ozymandias]

Oxford English Dictionary (OED) definition of a millennial: '... those people reaching young adulthood around the year 2000.'

The article quoted credits William Strauss and Neil Howe, two pioneering writers on sociology, with the original definition, and so does the OED. They coined the term in 1987 as follows: 'members of this demographic cohort are known as millennials because they became adults around the turn of the millennium'.

Under that definition how can anyone born in 2000 or later be a millennial?

[Duke Wellington]

6 months to go!

I can already hear Rule Britannia playing in my mind. 

[Unusual Tournament]

3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

6 months to go!

I can already hear Rule Britannia playing in my mind. 

 

[RAyMO]

22 hours ago, Setton said:

And Britain hasn't been a superpower since the Suez Canal.

The Suez episode just proved the point, really after WW2 the UK had ceased to be a superpower. 

The UK's current 'Power' can be seen in its reaction to Hong Kong - Not much it can actively do - and even the little it has done is likely to lead to economic warfare with china. 

As it stands -

The UK is no nearer getting a deal with EU than they were 3 years ago - despite us being told it would be the easiest deal in the World and the EU are desperate for it

The UK is being told by the US if you want a deal with us (worth practically nothing anyway according to the Boris government Figures) then the US will tell the UK who it can trade with and how low our food standards have to go- so much for taking back control 

China trade war looming

Its all going swimmingly well for Newly Independent UK power. . 

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by RAyMO

[Duke Wellington]

10 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

The Suez episode just proved the point, really after WW2 the UK had ceased to be a superpower. 

The UK's current 'Power' can be seen in its reaction to Hong Kong - Not much it can actively do - and even the little it has done is likely to lead to economic warfare with china. 

As it stands -

The UK is no nearer getting a deal with EU than they were 3 years ago - despite us being told it would be the easiest deal in the World and the EU are desperate for it

The UK is being told by the US if you want a deal with us (worth practically nothing anything according to the Boris government Figures) then the US will tell the UK who it can trade with and how low our food standards have to go- so much for taking back control 

China trade war looming

Its all going swimmingly well for Newly Independent UK power. . 

 

The UK ceased being a superpower in the late 1980s when we reduced military spending from 10% of our GDP to 2%. Political pressure at the time meant we could no longer justify such an expense because in the 1980s Australia, Canada, and New Zealand all got their independence from the UK Parliament (although our Monarch remains their Head of State), and the USSR collapsed.

I can still remember waking up as a child to watch TVAM and seeing our aircraft carriers of which we had 4 at the time. Australia had one too, although Canada scrapped its in the 1970s. Right now we have a mere 2 (both UK), a small fleet, a small air force, and lack the troops to fight a war on our own.

Luckily we are an island which is a huge force multiplier, and have a nuclear deterrent. If a major war kicks off we can scale up the number of soldiers in our land army fast (although making additional tanks, armoured vehicles, and artillery would take time). We would have a problem with our air force as it takes years to make them in a significant number, and our navy would be in an even worse state as it can take a couple of decades to build a decent sized fleet. But we have our deterrent to fall back on so we are safe.

Its time the UK got 2 more aircraft carriers, and one for Canada and Australia each. Extra tanks, armoured vehicles, artillery, and planes too. You have to shape the world to your own advantage if you want to be great. Right now someone needs to do Syria, Iran, and North Korea. Those countries are backwards, dont treat their people well, and are a menace to world peace.

The US is not dictating to us who we can trade with, such claims are totally unfounded and you wont divide us off from our kind with whom we share a special relationship. The US should be a great power, I am happy to see Trump rebuild the US military, and its our turn to do the same.

There is no UK vs China trade war, its US vs China, and China are losing badly. The NASDAQ had skyrocketed under Trump before coronavirus, has already made up half of its losses, and is set to go much higher towards the end of the year. We need a Britain First policy with our economy too, instead of holding ourselves back due to EU membership.

We need to lure France out of the EU too and get them to come onboard with us. There is quite a bit of oil and mineral wealth in Syria, Iran, and North Korea. There is enough there to support 3 superpowers. Then we need to implement a US-GB-FR century.