Table that held Ark of the Covenant found ?

[UM-Bot]

The stone table was found within an ancient temple unearthed approximately 20km west of Jerusalem.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/333142/table-that-held-the-ark-of-the-covenant-found

[Piney]

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One major issue is that the temple's destruction seems to pre-date the Ark story by 400 years.
"I don't think anyone would take this literally and conclude that this is the stone from the biblical story," said Prof Avraham Faust from Bar-Ilan University.
 

And American Christian literalists will say it was, and Jewish scholars archaeologists are wrong. 

[Debra F. II]

22 minutes ago, Piney said:

And American Christian literalists will say it was, and Jewish scholars archaeologists are wrong. 

Too much time has went by and too  many political and religion changes were made to keep things 100% accurate. In my opinion.

No one was keeping a record after the first week of day ONE... and on the 7th day he rested. From that point on time every got got lost in time. There are references of accounts but the used seasons and months and they calculated by saying about the time of this event or that.. They did the best they could.

But... by the time Constantine came in and changed even the months of the year, which naturally would throw off all your following years and then  Scholars who were bickering about what day the sabath should be celebrated on, which also indicates a few changes concerning the days of the week as well; things turned from bad to worse for yearly and timing accuracy.

Only a Handful of people tried and even cared to continue with the old calendar and timings and eventually lost their battle. They died and other politicians and religious folks came in changing even more things concerning the year; C.E. - B.C., A.D., B.C.E. this and that and another thing, (example lets mention day light savings time, it is a back and forth thing but still shows that power and rank can change things like time and dates very easily).

Not to mention that the people in the lab doing, item and carbon dating were having a hard time as well and sometimes STILL argued over who's right and who's wrong so theres that factor.... who's to say that by stating that the table pre-dates by 400 years for it to be related to the ark, so maybe is it possible that our predating system needs to be tweaked and updated...  ; ) 

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, Debra F. II said:

Not to mention that the people in the lab doing, item and carbon dating were having a hard time as well and sometimes STILL argued over who's right and who's wrong so theres that factor....

I never had that happen. Labs have corrected dates but nobody ever argued.

9 minutes ago, Debra F. II said:

But... by the time Constantine came in and changed even the months of the year, which naturally would throw off all your following years and then  Scholars who were bickering about what day the sabath should be celebrated on, which also indicates a few changes concerning the days of the week as well; things turned from bad to worse for yearly and timing accuracy.

Constantine centralized religious dates. He didn't "change the calendar".

11 minutes ago, Debra F. II said:

No one was keeping a record after the first week of day ONE... and on the 7th day he rested. From that point on time every got got lost in time. There are references of accounts but the used seasons and months and they calculated by saying about the time of this event or that.. They did the best they could.

You don't have a clue how various calendars (solar, lunar and stellar) work.

12 minutes ago, Debra F. II said:

Only a Handful of people tried and even cared to continue with the old calendar and timings and eventually lost their battle. They died and other politicians and religious folks came in changing even more things concerning the year; C.E. - B.C., A.D., B.C.E. this and that and another thing, (example lets mention day light savings time, it is a back and forth thing but still shows that power and rank can change things like time and dates very easily).

  See above*

I'm a archaeological field tech and a seminarian with over 20 academic mentions. You don't want to start a religious debate with me. I will intellectually crush you. 

[Seti42]

Note to self: Never mess with murder Bunnies.

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, Seti42 said:

Note to self: Never mess with murder Bunnies.

Who have zero tolerance for American Evangelical stupidity. 

[Thereisnopie]

And so humble too :P

[+Razman]

gimme a break , they find some old stone ruins and all of a sudden it was the table the ark was on. Like many of you so often say. Got some proof? Its like they are just fitting it into what they find.

Edited December 21, 2019 by razman

[Debra F. II]

On 12/20/2019 at 1:07 PM, Piney said:

I never had that happen. Labs have corrected dates but nobody ever argued.

Constantine centralized religious dates. He didn't "change the calendar".

You don't have a clue how various calendars (solar, lunar and stellar) work.

  See above*

I'm a archaeological field tech and a seminarian with over 20 academic mentions. You don't want to start a religious debate with me. I will intellectually crush you. 

: )

[Debra F. II]

On 12/20/2019 at 1:07 PM, Piney said:

I never had that happen. Labs have corrected dates but nobody ever argued.

Constantine centralized religious dates. He didn't "change the calendar".

You don't have a clue how various calendars (solar, lunar and stellar) work.

  See above*

I'm a archaeological field tech and a seminarian with over 20 academic mentions. You don't want to start a religious debate with me. I will intellectually crush you. 

Sounds like you know your stuff, it's not my expertise, just my view on things, from what I do know and believe.

Edited December 21, 2019 by Debra F. II

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Debra F. II said:

Sounds like you know your stuff, it's not my expertise, just my view on things, from what I do know and believe.

You can overlay calendars, track celestial movements and figure out modern dates. 

We figured out exactly when a Shenk's Ferry Culture ceremonial circle was laid out using a precession chart, tree ring dating, then carbon dating the trees themselves.

 

[Debra F. II]

23 minutes ago, Piney said:

You can overlay calendars, track celestial movements and figure out modern dates. 

We figured out exactly when a Shenk's Ferry Culture ceremonial circle was laid out using a precession chart, tree ring dating, then carbon dating the trees themselves.

 

Yes good point! I get that and I think tree ring dating can be accurate. Like I said not my expertise but it doesn't change the fact that I do hear often from time to time, experts going back and forth about certain items and on certain methods used, especially on the most oldest items.

[switchopens]

This is bad logic. 
This is the same deal as those people who think just because they unearthed some stick in Jerusalem, it must be a piece of the cross.
If one needs to make an apriori argument, there are better reference points to use than the bible.
It's a table in an old temple; I'm sure they could find more.

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 12/21/2019 at 1:46 AM, Piney said:

And American Christian literalists will say it was, and Jewish scholars archaeologists are wrong. 

It's beginning to feel a lot like Christmas, it seems every year around this time some new discovery comes along that tries to rock the Christian World. This is a good example of the nonsense that occurs, they found a table, which they haven't shown in a city where according to Biblical beliefs the Ark was stored. There is no way to prove that this room with this table ever had the Ark on it. 

So someone speculates that this must be the PLACE, because they can feel it in their bones, in their heart and without using common sense. Happens every year. Nothing new, but I hope one of these days that true archaeological evidence will show up that will prove or disprove many of the theory's presented about the Ark and about Jesus Christ.

Peace and Merry Christmas.

[jaylemurph]

On 12/20/2019 at 1:07 PM, Piney said:

I'm a archaeological field tech and a seminarian with over 20 academic mentions. You don't want to start a religious debate with me. I will intellectually crush you. 

*thumbs up*

—Jaylemurph 

[Orphalesion]

 

 

On 12/20/2019 at 6:50 PM, Debra F. II said:

Only a Handful of people tried and even cared to continue with the old calendar and timings and eventually lost their battle. They died and other politicians and religious folks came in changing even more things concerning the year; C.E. - B.C., A.D., B.C.E. this and that and another thing, (example lets mention day light savings time, it is a back and forth thing but still shows that power and rank can change things like time and dates very easily).

If by the "old calendar" you mean the Ancient Hebrew Calender.....that one is still in use, and by more than a handful of people. Every Jewish person around the world uses it to determine the dates of their holy days. Ask them, they can often tell you all  about it and, from my experience, are the first to tell you that the Old Testament is not to be taken literal.

[Debra F. II]

2 hours ago, Orphalesion said:

 

 

If by the "old calendar" you mean the Ancient Hebrew Calender.....that one is still in use, and by more than a handful of people. Every Jewish person around the world uses it to determine the dates of their holy days. Ask them, they can often tell you all  about it and, from my experience, are the first to tell you that the Old Testament is not to be taken 

Yep, thanks, I get one every year!

[Gumball]

Displayed beside the rubber ring from Noah's Ark

Edited January 2, 2020 by mesuma