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On the night of 6/12/2018 my wife and I were in our living room watching TV when, to her shock and horror, she noticed that I was dead. I was sitting upright, eyes slightly open, unable to hear or respond to her. She checked my pulse and there was none, so she called 911 and began CPR.

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Desertrat56

I find this person's conclusions interesting.   I have gone through the same thoughts and experiences in discussions that he describes, but have not have not come back from a death experience so my conclusions are different.  In fact the description of someone pounding on the table is something I witnessed when two friends had an argument.  I walked in in the middle when one was pounding on the table saying "Prove this isn't real!" and the other said, "I don't know how to prove it to you, I just know it isn't, it is our consciousness that makes it up."  At which point the materialist walked out.

There was a chapter in a book called Life 101 entitled "Everything is nothing pretending to be something"  The chapter was just the basic description of atoms and the relative amount of space between each atom that makes up a molecule, etc.  I loved that book.  Another chapter was "Nothing is personal".  It was actually a book that guided you through cognitive therapy, or maybe was a primer for that.  I don't think the original is in print any more.

To begin with, my experience seems to confirm a view I have held for over twenty years and have written about previously. Most people, whether they realize it or not, are philosophical materialists, possibly because our ruling elites have literally programmed us for this. They believe that the primary reality is matter, or, in the parlance of modern physics, mass/energy/space/time... the measurable physical universe. Of course, no one can ultimately define matter; at best we can rather imperfectly describe it. Materialists believe that mind/spirit/consciousness is a mere secondary manifestation of matter, with the brain being a kind of electrochemical computer. If pressed, a materialist may do something like pounding on a table and claiming that it is solid and real because he can see and touch it.

 

Aside from the fact that quantum mechanics assures us that matter is not really solid in any conventional sense, how does the materialist really know with absolute certainty that the table is real, independent of his mind? How does he know that he can see and touch it? The answer is that he only thinks that it is real. But thought is what a mind does; in fact, a mind is composed of thoughts. In other words, the only thing any of us can be absolutely certain of is that we think, that consciousness exists. Yet materialists, imagining that they are being tough minded, scientific, and coldly rational, insist that matter, whose independent existence cannot be proven, is the prime reality, and consciousness or spirit (I use these terms interchangeably) is scarcely real at all. On the face of it, isn't this backward reasoning?

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ocpaul20

There are many on here who are always shouting 'proof' and this thread will give them an opportunity to respond. However, I dont think they can deny that mostly our reality is space and physicality is an illusion.

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Crikey
On ‎1‎/‎21‎/‎2020 at 12:02 AM, ocpaul20 said:

..However, I dont think they can deny that mostly our reality is space and physicality is an illusion.

Yes and even scientists are beginning to cotton on..:D

"The [quantum] atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts" Prof. Werner Heisenberg (Nobel Prize winner in Physics)

For example the spooky "Double Slit Experiment' has got them scratching their heads because the stream of photons changes it's behaviour when being observed by detectors, as if it doesn't want us to see what's going on-

"If you can explain this using common sense and logic, do let me know, because there is a Nobel Prize for you.."- Jim Al-Khalili OBE, Professor of Theoretical Physics

 

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Desertrat56

@Crikey scientists have been discussing this before people talked about quantum physics just by describing the relative distance between the electron in an atom from the protons & neutrons.   Relatively speaking, everything is made up of atoms and those atoms are mostly empty space so "everything is nothing pretending to be something".

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Pat Stoecker-Alexander

My Ben died on March 22,2020. I would like to share some things with you. His doctors wrote him off {dead man walking}, telling him that people with heart failure die a slow death, declining into a bedridden, incontinent invalid. Horrified, he arranged a medically supervised "end of life". Not with his primary doctor, who would not be a part of this "suicide". Suicide?! He was not killing his body, his body was killing HIM!  Ben was an unusually muscular old guy (he worked at it); it took months for that muscle to waste away, leaving the body of a Nazi prison camp victim.  And, doctors will tell you, when an elderly person looses muscle it can NOT be regained. He spent almost a year going downhill. He had already had AFIB for a decade before he "died", now with badly leaking valves his weak heat could barely keep him alive. 

And then he got better. He started going to the gym again, carefully adjusting his routines and weights. This former leader of Sierra Club "death hikes" put back a lot of that upper body muscle that made me swoon. And his death was the way HE wanted; he just crashed to the ground and was gone. So (I can hear him saying this) don't let the "experts" (doctors, in his case) convince you that you have no control, and bring you down.

And another thing; that story about what he remembered about dying..There is another story, one he told me first. He said he was standing by a river - he described the beauty of the hills and plants in great detail - and wanted to go across. But he was stopped (by something) and knew, sadly, that he could not cross. We all know what that ment. He said he knew from that point that his "job" wasn't done. Later he recanted, saying he was just remembering the lights - from the heart monitor by his bed!  I know him well enough to know that he was just (unconsciously?) trying to be rational. So as much as his writings can sound all "woo hoo", he was (and, I suppose, still IS) a man in search of Truth. 

I will miss his silly sense of humor, he was a blessing.

 

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