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congressman: Trump unfit for office

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RoofGardener
Just now, Golden Duck said:

If there was a defence for holding the money we'd have heard it.

We have done. He was evaluating the new Ugandan leadership, and he wanted a phone call with the new President to feel him out prior to authorising the money ? 

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Golden Duck
7 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hypothetically ? 

  1. A new government was formed inbetween those two dates. President Trump was waiting to evaluate the new administration before sending them military aid/money ? 
  2. 64% of Hair Gel imported into the USA comes from the Ukranian Gell Mines. Trump was holding out to ensure continuity of supply. 
  3. He confused Ukraine with Uganda ? 

If no one in the White House was keeping an eye on the recipients of aid for the 13 months before the election was decided, it makes reasons 2 and 3 more plausible. 

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Farmer77
Just now, RoofGardener said:

You SPECULATE that there was none. Or are you the head of the CIA and/or State Department ? 

LOL so youre claiming there is exonerating evidence that could have kept Trump from having to wear the scarlet I for the rest of his life  eternity and he refused to present it? Really now?

 

 

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Golden Duck
2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

We have done. He was evaluating the new Ugandan leadership, and he wanted a phone call with the new President to feel him out prior to authorising the money ? 

I have this mental image of Fonejacker succeeding where Ali G failed.

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RoofGardener
4 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

I have this mental image of Fonejacker succeeding where Ali G failed.

ZOMG.. that would be fantastic. A Hoax phone call between "Putin" and President Trump :o 

I mean.. can you IMAGINE  ? :o 

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Farmer77
2 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

We have done. He was evaluating the new Ugandan leadership, and he wanted a phone call with the new President to feel him out prior to authorising the money ? 

Except in neither of his phone calls with the new president did he actually mention corruption. Just the bidens and the 2016 election in the one.

Not to mention that by the time Trump put a hold on the money the pentagon had already certified Ukraine had made appropriate anti corruption steps as is the annual process.

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Congress has sent more than $1.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, but the $250 million package this year appears to be the first one delayed by the White House.

For each year since 2017, the National Defense Authorization Act has required “a certification by the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms … for purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by assistance.”

The law also says, “The certification shall include an assessment of the substantial actions taken to make such defense institutional reforms and the areas in which additional action is needed.” So, the Defense Department is required to review Ukraine’s progress on corruption before security assistance funds are released each year and note where there’s room for improvement.

The Defense Department’s undersecretary for policy, John C. Rood, sent a letter May 23 to congressional committees certifying that “the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by U.S. assistance.”

Rood said the Defense Department made this certification after “persistent U.S. engagement with Ukraine,” including high-level meetings. He listed these milestones:

The Ukrainian Government adopted legislation to authorize the Ministry of Defense to conduct direct procurement from international manufacturers, including through the Foreign Military Sales program. Furthermore, to strengthen civilian control of the military, the ministry is making progress toward increasing civilian staff, as most prominently illustrated by the fact that the Minister of Defense is now a civilian. Minister Poltorak also initiated an ambitious program to reform the command and control system in line with Euro-Atlantic principles, which will improve the management of Ukraine’s forces. Lastly, Ukraine committed in writing to defense industry reforms and requested a Senior Defense Industry Advisor to improve the ability of Ukraine’s domestic industry to provide critical material to the Ukrainian armed forces and transform the state-owned enterprise.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/23/trump-mulvaneys-claim-that-corruption-concerns-held-up-ukraine-aid/

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RoofGardener
1 minute ago, Farmer77 said:

Except in neither of his phone calls with the new president did he actually mention corruption. Just the bidens and the 2016 election in the one.

Not to mention that by the time Trump put a hold on the money the pentagon had already certified Ukraine had made appropriate anti corruption steps as is the annual process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/23/trump-mulvaneys-claim-that-corruption-concerns-held-up-ukraine-aid/

Interesting. 

And had the secretaries of Defence AND State ratified the Pentagon certification, as required ? 

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Farmer77
5 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Interesting. 

And had the secretaries of Defence AND State ratified the Pentagon certification, as required ? 

Yes in fact the Pentagon was pretty freaked out when they found out about the hold

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law

 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Yes in fact the Pentagon was pretty freaked out when they found out about the hold

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law

Well, we shall see, shan't we ? The Public Integrity appeal for the unredacted documents is due to be heard in March. Ample time for the 2020 Presidential Election :) 

Of course, if the Democrats stopped stalling about the Impeachment trial, all of this would - presumably - become out in the open as part of the evidence for that trial ? 

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Farmer77
16 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Of course, if the Democrats stopped stalling about the Impeachment trial, all of this would - presumably - become out in the open as part of the evidence for that trial ? 

Idk the above has come out just since the impeachment vote happened. There's every chance that had Pelosi delivered the articles immediately McConnell would have dismissed them before this even made the news let alone to the Senate. 

There really isn't any downside to what Pelosi is doing - yet. Eventually I think public opinion will turn but for now it's worth dragging more info out while forcing the media to talk about why she is withholding the articles. 

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RoofGardener
52 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Idk the above has come out just since the impeachment vote happened. There's every chance that had Pelosi delivered the articles immediately McConnell would have dismissed them before this even made the news let alone to the Senate. 

There really isn't any downside to what Pelosi is doing - yet. Eventually I think public opinion will turn but for now it's worth dragging more info out while forcing the media to talk about why she is withholding the articles. 

Umm.. this is about the Uganda thing ? Surely that WAS part of the Articles of Implausibility ? 

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Farmer77
14 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Umm.. this is about the Uganda thing ? Surely that WAS part of the Articles of Implausibility ? 

Honestly man you may not be wrong all the time if you took the time to read the links provided.

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