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You don't have a soul

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Guyver

PS.  In other words....things that don’t exist, and things you don’t know that do exist are the same to you.  There is no difference.  And, BTW, things exist of which you are not aware and that is plain enough for any smart person to see.

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Imaginarynumber1
22 hours ago, Guyver said:

There is a difference between things that are not known to exist and things that don’t exist.  Right?

So, what doesn’t exist - you don’t know.  And things that exist of which you are not aware of are also not known.  Get it?

 

21 hours ago, Guyver said:

PS.  In other words....things that don’t exist, and things you don’t know that do exist are the same to you.  There is no difference.  And, BTW, things exist of which you are not aware and that is plain enough for any smart person to see.

Of course things exist that I am not aware of. Souls aren't one of those things, though.

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joc
On 1/15/2020 at 9:05 AM, Imaginarynumber1 said:

I know "love" exists. I know it can be measured. Oxytocin and serotonin. So what chemicals measure the "soul", specifically. What can you look at in the brain and say, "that's the soul". And I dont mean creativity, which you seam to think is the same things. I'm talking about the religious concept of a soul, the thing that is you that exists indepent of your physical body.

Oxytocin and Serotonin can be isolated and measured.  Blood cells can be isolated and measured.  Every aspect of the material world can be isolated and measured.  Can we isolate and measure a concept?  How does that work?  Soul is a concept.  If it were isolatable, if it were measurable...it would have already been done so. :tu:

22 hours ago, Guyver said:

 And things that exist of which you are not aware of are also not known.  Get it?

It is impossible for any one person to know everything that is known.  Closer to the truth is...you don't know one Nth of what is known. Some people know some things, some know others, but one thing we know for sure is that what ever it is we don't know...we will eventually know it.

A soul is a belief.  Nothing more.   

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2 hours ago, joc said:

It is impossible for any one person to know everything that is known.  Closer to the truth is...you don't know one Nth of what is known. Some people know some things, some know others, but one thing we know for sure is that what ever it is we don't know...we will eventually know it.

  

I view the first two of your sentences as true.  The last one......well if by "we" you mean the human race, you are expressing a belief.  The human race could be wiped out tomorrow by an asteroid strike and we would know nothing more than we know now. 

If you mean "we" as in we as individual people....it's 50/50.  If there is a soul, or spirit residing in us.....we may or may not learn more....eventually knowing everything, or at least everything we need.  If there is no soul or spirit, we will know nothing and we won't even know that we don't know anything because we will not exist. 

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 A soul is a belief.  Nothing more. 

As is the belief that the soul is a belief and nothing more.  It's funny how so many people seem to be offended by the word belief, yet everyone has them.  It certainly possible that the soul is more than a belief and you don't know it.  So, anyway....that's about all I have to say about it.  

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Guyver
3 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

 

Of course things exist that I am not aware of. Souls aren't one of those things, though.

That is so contradictory.  First you express truth.....then you express belief.  How in the heck do you know there is no such thing as a soul?  Have you invented a "soul gauge" to measure people with?

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

As is the belief that the soul is a belief and nothing more.  It's funny how so many people seem to be offended by the word belief, yet everyone has them.  It certainly possible that the soul is more than a belief and you don't know it.  So, anyway....that's about all I have to say about it.  

There is a fallacy of logic somewhere in there Guyver.  Conceptualizing that a Soul exists... a Conscious State remaining after death...is a belief.  Conceptualizing that a Soul doesn't exist...is not a belief.    One can prove a positive.  Ex:  Souls exist and the proof is thus....yada, yada, yada.    One cannot prove a negative.  Ex:  Souls do not exist and the proof is...how can  you prove something doesn't exist?  You cannot.  You can only prove a things existence, not its non-existence.  Therein is the fallacy of logic.

Conceptualizing that Souls do not exist is based on factual evidence that a Soul cannot be experienced by any of the 5 senses, nor can it be measured or in any way accounted for other than mere conceptualizing it to be.  Conceptualizing that a Soul exists is based on nothing but imagination...therefore...belief.

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1 hour ago, Guyver said:

That is so contradictory.  First you express truth.....then you express belief.  How in the heck do you know there is no such thing as a soul?  Have you invented a "soul gauge" to measure people with?

Because nature is simplicity. It will not be more complicated than it needs to be. There is zero need or reason for a soul other than to aid in man made concepts. Many have tried o find a "soul". None have ever succeeded. Believe all you want in childish concepts, but it's not real.

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psyche101
1 hour ago, Guyver said:

That is so contradictory.  First you express truth.....then you express belief.  How in the heck do you know there is no such thing as a soul?  Have you invented a "soul gauge" to measure people with?

CERN has.

He's right. It doesn't exist. There's nothing in nature to indicate that it should. We look for things that should exist, like the Higgs Boson. There's absolutely no reason a soul should exist.

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Guyver

Lol.  That is funny.  Like the soul has anything to do with the Higgs-Boson.  Jeez.  By definition, the soul is non physical.

Sigh.

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Will do

 

If it isn't physical, it isn't real.

 

 

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Will do

 

For example.

Personal goals are not physical.

Therefore, they're not real. 

 

 

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Manwon Lender
12 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

For example.

Personal goals are not physical.

Therefore, they're not real. 

 

 

The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly.”

Peace

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psyche101
23 minutes ago, Guyver said:

Lol.  That is funny.  Like the soul has anything to do with the Higgs-Boson.  Jeez.  By definition, the soul is non physical.

Sigh.

Neither is anything really until the Higgs generates mass by interaction with other particles.

What exactly is the state of non-physical. How would you define that state?

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psyche101
16 minutes ago, Will Due said:

For example.

Personal goals are not physical.

Therefore, they're not real. 

Best laid plans can go to waste. Nothing is real until you action it.

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Habitat

 

 

39 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

Because nature is simplicity.

Compared to what ?

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7 minutes ago, Habitat said:

 

 

Compared to what ?

It's wasn't a comparison. 

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Habitat
Just now, Imaginarynumber1 said:

It's wasn't a comparison. 

You can't have simplicity as a meaningful idea, without also having complexity.

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2 minutes ago, Habitat said:

You can't have simplicity as a meaningful idea, without also having complexity.

:rolleyes:

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Habitat
2 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

:rolleyes:

Roll your eyes all you like, but to say nature is simplicity, is a meaningless statement.\

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Imaginarynumber1
2 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Roll your eyes all you like, but to say nature is simplicity, is a meaningless statement.\

Sure, bud. 

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Habitat
14 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

Sure, bud. 

Complexity only exists outside of nature ? Where is this "outside of nature" ? 

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Will do
1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Nothing is real until you action it.

 

Neither are souls.

 

 

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Imaginarynumber1
21 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Complexity only exists outside of nature ? 

I never said that

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Habitat
9 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said:

I never said that

I'm not too worried about it, but I really think "simplicity" and "complexity" are just tickets we put on things in relation to how difficult they are to predict or understand, for us. To a mathematician, calculus in "simple", to me it is "complex".

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psyche101
3 hours ago, Will Due said:

Neither are souls.

A real soul is the person you are, the way the sum of your experiences have shaped you.

It's not some ghost or energy version of you. So in that respect, it's there as long as you are and as fluid as your life experience. 

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