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4 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

It's called - having a laugh

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No, its called stupid A-holes. All of these little, uneducated and ignorant idiots should be forced to do a one day visit in Auschwitz at full scale. The ramps, the selectivity chambers, the barracks, the gas chambers and the crematoria. And they should be told that all arriving people  who were ill or old or under an age of 10 were killed within hours after arrival.

As you think its fun, you should be forced for such trip as well.

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17 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

First of all Court Jesters didn't have a very long life, because of comments they made when the King was having a bad day. Next if you find his comments humorous that's your opinion, but to Germans who were not born during the time frame of WW II, those comments are repugnant. You see that War is still thrown in people's face to this very day, and most Germans who were born after the war still are guilt tripped for something they had nothing to do with.

I am an American, however, I am also a German, my Father and Mother immigrated to the US in the 1950s and I was born in the USA. My father and many relatives served in the German Military in WW II, I have heard the stories first hand concerning life in Germany and abroad during the War. Maybe I am too sensitive about this subject and maybe I am not sensitive at all, but one thing is for certain, I don't need a Holocaust denier intentional trying  to get a rise out of people, speaking about things he has no knowledge of.

peace  

It annoys me like you express, and my german ancestors came to the U.S. after WW1 and would not admit they were german.  Those who I knew whose parents brought them over right after WW2 were told from now on you will not speak german, you are an american now so you will only speak english. 

And now we have the "History" channel showing a week solid of WW2 "documentaries" every 3 months, PBS does it once a year, and all the other stuff you mentioned.  The term I use is "Ad Nauseum".

When I was in Germany in the late 70's I  met a man who was in the german army by no choice of his own, I think he said he was 18 at the time.  He said he was scared and sure he was going to die, then the english rescued him and kept him in a prison camp in England for 3 years.  I was there after the allies (U.S. & UK mostly) had occupied Germany for over 20 years.  Of course the people my age, who were born after WW2 were angry and resentful that their country was still occupied, and their parents who had no memory of WW2 were mixed about it.  But the survivors from WW2, whether they were in the german army or not were happy to see us and engaged in conversation with us any chance they got.  None of them in any generation (with similar exceptions to fringe groups everywhere) thought the Nazi's were a good thing. 

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5 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

I went to a wax works museum in England.  I think it was in Great Yarmouth and almost everyone posed for a photo with the wax dummy of Hitler and many of them did the salute (as a joke).

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You are spreading lies here. At least 2 of the images (2+3) were not taken in England.

Indonesia museum removes 'Hitler selfie' display after protests

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21 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

The reason the Nazis are on the forefront of people's minds is that we see them daily in documentaries and films about the war which are made and repeated with growing regularity to paint the Nazis as spawns of Satan despite the fact that the average German soldier was not involved with any of the reported atrocities. 

The Nazis were spawns of Satan and it was the average German soldier who performed the cruelties in millions of cases.

You have really no clue what you are talking about.

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5 hours ago, toast said:

You are spreading lies here. At least 2 of the images (2+3) were not taken in England.

Indonesia museum removes 'Hitler selfie' display after protests

I never said those photos were taken in England.  I used them as an example that people pose in front of wax figures of Hitler.  So get your facts right.

 

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6 hours ago, toast said:

The Nazis were spawns of Satan and it was the average German soldier who performed the cruelties in millions of cases.

You have really no clue what you are talking about.

If you believe that, then you are more delusional than I realized.  The average German who became recruited into the army were not spawns of Satan.  Any one of us could have been put in their situation.  If you live in Germany then do the decent thing and show your fallen men and women some respect.  If you told them about the atrocities taking place then they would be equally outraged.  They deserve our compassion, not ignorant dismissal and condemnation.  You can't condemn farmers feeding the soldiers by force and everyone associated with the administration as spawns of Satan.  The British fired on the French fleet and bombed civilian cities like Dresden.  One could easily characterise the British as 'spawns of satan' but some of us can easily see they were not.  The victors of war will always be praised and the fallen enemy will be blamed for absolutely anything and everything connected to Satan.  Look at America and the old race war, or the situation between Iran and America.  Each side accusing the other of being possessed by the devil.  You said the Nazis were responsible for 55 million deaths.  A slight exaggeration?  What about the wide spread cases of disease across Europe during the war.  I suppose the Germans were responsible for every death caused by Typhus and also all deaths from natural causes in Europe between 1939 - 1945 as well.  Of course anyone who dares to investigate and revise the numbers is immediately labelled a holocaust denier.  There is nothing to fear in seeking the truth.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Your experience and mine are to different things, I can see the you appear to be a Holocaust denier. You are welcome to your opinion. But I personally have nothing else to say to you.

Peace

I don't deny the holocaust.  I just mentioned in another topic that a renowned Bishop did not believe that Jews were gassed and that the 6 million figure was reported in the news about 200 times before the war from the 1890's - 1940's and nobody thought it odd.  I just refute the official broad figures that are not allowed to be scrutinized, because apparently anyone who dares to question the true number is immediately branded a denier.  There is nothing to fear in finding out what happened without bias interference from others in authority who tell you what to think.

 

Example of a guy who has doubts and sacrificed his career to say them.  I don't support or condemn his opinion, but he has the right to say it.

 

 

 

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One thing is for sure, a regime of the ilk of Hitler's, will not re-appear in the regalia of the Nazis, it is not the trappings that need to be suppressed, but the circumstances in which that kind of regime can take root. Salutes and insignias are just a distraction, anyone that adopts them, is really no great threat, they are just misfits and ratbags. The real "evil" is smart enough not to draw that kind of attention to themselves, by aligning with what is almost universally derided.

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51 minutes ago, Habitat said:

One thing is for sure, a regime of the ilk of Hitler's, will not re-appear in the regalia of the Nazis, it is not the trappings that need to be suppressed, but the circumstances in which that kind of regime can take root. Salutes and insignias are just a distraction, anyone that adopts them, is really no great threat, they are just misfits and ratbags. The real "evil" is smart enough not to draw that kind of attention to themselves, by aligning with what is almost universally derided.

Agreed.  Pretty much every Western leader has been compared to Hitler with paranoia and propaganda boosted by social media to make the public believe that Hitler is coming back, again.....and again...….and again as the decades go by, while the real threat goes by unnoticed.

 

 

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All it does is distract the public away from the real potential threats that appear unchallenged and unnoticed until - wham - suddenly we're at war with an enemy we never heard of before.

 

Many Nazis fled to Argentina and Chile after the war.  Funny, that nobody condemns their army's familiar style.  I bet some members would even call them spawns of satan as well.

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

I don't deny the holocaust.  I just mentioned in another topic that a renowned Bishop did not believe that Jews were gassed and that the 6 million figure was reported in the news about 200 times before the war from the 1890's - 1940's and nobody thought it odd.  I just refute the official broad figures that are not allowed to be scrutinized, because apparently anyone who dares to question the true number is immediately branded a denier.  There is nothing to fear in finding out what happened without bias interference from others in authority who tell you what to think.

 

Example of a guy who has doubts and sacrificed his career to say them.  I don't support or condemn his opinion, but he has the right to say it.

 

 

 

You never mention you didn't believe in the numbers stated for the Holocaust, until now if you did I missed the post. Pulling up a YouTube video with a Catholic Bishop denieing the Holocaust means nothing. Since the Vatican was falsifying documents hiding war criminals and issuing fake passports to SS War Criminals fleeing Europe using a Catholic to prove your point is completely futile. 

You are certainly entitled to you opinion, and I am entitled to mine by your own words above and your video you have clearly shown that you are a Holocaust denier. You can twist it anyway you choose to, like I said your posts making light of everything throughout this thread clued me into your true opinion on this subject, and this post verifies it as a fact.

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3 hours ago, Aaron2016 said:

I don't deny the holocaust.  I just mentioned in another topic that a renowned Bishop did not believe that Jews were gassed and that the 6 million figure was reported in the news about 200 times before the war from the 1890's - 1940's and nobody thought it odd.  I just refute the official broad figures that are not allowed to be scrutinized, because apparently anyone who dares to question the true number is immediately branded a denier.  There is nothing to fear in finding out what happened without bias interference from others in authority who tell you what to think.

 

Example of a guy who has doubts and sacrificed his career to say them.  I don't support or condemn his opinion, but he has the right to say it.

 

 

 

 

It's worse then 6 million.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

 

And it's accurate. The Nazi's SS officers and other told us themselves during the trials. The Nazi's also kept records of these things, researchers looked at census and deportation data.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/holocaust-remembrance-day/6-million-where-is-the-figure-from-1.5319546

 

Your skepticism is nonething new, psychologically speaking people have a hard time of believing anything that is truly horrible on a mass scale, because we can't imagine ourselves doing it. 

Many people did not believe the Holocaust was happening until the pictures after the war. 

We know now.

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Manwon Lender
9 hours ago, toast said:

The Nazis were spawns of Satan and it was the average German soldier who performed the cruelties in millions of cases.

You have really no clue what you are talking about.

No he doesn't, look at post 135, this guy states that the facts concerning the number of dead during the Holocaust weren't real. Then he posts a Catholic Bishop who is also a Holocaust denier who openly Says so. I was certain his posts were not fun and games like he stated they were, this guy is another Holocaust denier and that's why he is making light of all the crimes committed by the Nazis. In most cases Holocaust deniers are also secretly hiding their National Socialist asperations, I am not sure if he fits that bill also, but time will tell.

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Manwon Lender
9 hours ago, toast said:

You are spreading lies here. At least 2 of the images (2+3) were not taken in England.

Indonesia museum removes 'Hitler selfie' display after protests

He really doesn't care if his statements are true or not, he is just trying to yank people's cranks. I think we should start referring to him as Her Goebbels, because he is becoming the Propaganda Minister of UM. :yes:

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The problem with banging on about how terrible the Nazis were, and they were bad news for sure, is that it makes it look like they were an aberration, and we ourselves would never be party to such mayhem. The risk is not us, it is safely externalised in others, and it is them we need to fear. But of course we have had the luxury of not being put to the test, people can do uncharacteristic things when put in positions of power, and especially if it appears there will be no retribution for it. Be wary of your own inner Nazi, who may come out if extraordinary circumstances allow it.

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11 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

It annoys me like you express, and my german ancestors came to the U.S. after WW1 and would not admit they were german.  Those who I knew whose parents brought them over right after WW2 were told from now on you will not speak german, you are an american now so you will only speak english. 

And now we have the "History" channel showing a week solid of WW2 "documentaries" every 3 months, PBS does it once a year, and all the other stuff you mentioned.  The term I use is "Ad Nauseum".

When I was in Germany in the late 70's I  met a man who was in the german army by no choice of his own, I think he said he was 18 at the time.  He said he was scared and sure he was going to die, then the english rescued him and kept him in a prison camp in England for 3 years.  I was there after the allies (U.S. & UK mostly) had occupied Germany for over 20 years.  Of course the people my age, who were born after WW2 were angry and resentful that their country was still occupied, and their parents who had no memory of WW2 were mixed about it.  But the survivors from WW2, whether they were in the german army or not were happy to see us and engaged in conversation with us any chance they got.  None of them in any generation (with similar exceptions to fringe groups everywhere) thought the Nazi's were a good thing. 

That's very true, even the Schutzstaffel ( SS ) were not all fanatical follows of National Socialism or were also not involved in war crimes. Many German Scientists and Academics were given honorary SS Rank, and they excepted it so they could continue their studies. Hell Archeologists were given SS ranks and sent to search for so called mystical origins of the Nodic race, and mystical objects that Himmler though could helped the Nazis win the war. I mean it is very obvious that Heinrich Himmler the Reichsführer SS, wasn't a rocket scientist, and all of his mystical Mumbo Jumbo was nothing but non-sense. 

I also spent time in Germany while on active duty, I felt right at home and the people treated me great. But I have to admit I did change my family name, it was originally Von Ritter. I did it because I wanted to separate myself from all the non-sense not because I wasn't proud of it. But because it was causing my family some problems When I was growing up in St.Louis my father would receive letters from the American Nazi Party asking him to join. He told them he wasn't interested, but they continued to bother us. When I turned 18 years old the same crap started to happen again so I  changed my name only keeping my original first name. I was just getting ready to join the US Army and the last thing I needed was letters or other items being sent to me from organizations like that.

Peace.

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47 minutes ago, Habitat said:

The problem with banging on about how terrible the Nazis were, and they were bad news for sure, is that it makes it look like they were an aberration, and we ourselves would never be party to such mayhem. The risk is not us, it is safely externalised in others, and it is them we need to fear. But of course we have had the luxury of not being put to the test, people can do uncharacteristic things when put in positions of power, and especially if it appears there will be no retribution for it. Be wary of your own inner Nazi, who may come out if extraordinary circumstances allow it.

This idiocy I will not let go unanswered.

I do not have an inner Nazi!  In effect...you have just labeled everyone a potential Nazi..including yourself.  Maybe you are...I most certainly am not and I resent anyone who pins that label on anyone else...there is no problem with banging on about how terrible the Nazis were....it doesn't make Hitler appear as an aberration.  No one thinks he was.  It is in calling others Hitler or Nazi in which the aberration appears.  It downplays the truth of the Nazi Regime.  Please don't do that!  

Maybe you just over think simple things.  Maybe you just under think most things...I don't know.  But you seriously need to RE think that one!

 

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1 minute ago, joc said:

This idiocy I will not let go unanswered.

I do not have an inner Nazi!  In effect...you have just labeled everyone a potential Nazi..including yourself.  Maybe you are...I most certainly am not and I resent anyone who pins that label on anyone else...there is no problem with banging on about how terrible the Nazis were....it doesn't make Hitler appear as an aberration.  No one thinks he was.  It is in calling others Hitler or Nazi in which the aberration appears.  It downplays the truth of the Nazi Regime.  Please don't do that!  

Maybe you just over think simple things.  Maybe you just under think most things...I don't know.  But you seriously need to RE think that one!

 

I don't think so joc, all the impulses that are expressed by others, are latent in us. It is just a matter of what the threshold is, for an individual, and what circumstances will trigger it. It is like some domestic dogs, tail-wagers who in some cases are only a couple of nights in the bush off turning feral. I have noticed over the years that people can go out into the wilds for a time, and the idea starts to insinuate itself with them, that the rules have changed, and the brakes come off, largely, presumably because they think they are not under observation.

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5 minutes ago, Habitat said:

I don't think so joc, all the impulses that are expressed by others, are latent in us. It is just a matter of what the threshold is, for an individual, and what circumstances will trigger it. It is like some domestic dogs, tail-wagers who in some cases are only a couple of nights in the bush off turning feral. I have noticed over the years that people can go out into the wilds for a time, and the idea starts to insinuate itself with them, that the rules have changed, and the brakes come off, largely, presumably because they think they are not under observation.

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Just now, joc said:

Fixed!

Saint joc, you are obviously a rare specimen, not heir to the dark impulses that bedevil the less fortunate. There are no Seven Deadly Sins for you to combat.

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55 minutes ago, joc said:

This idiocy I will not let go unanswered.

I do not have an inner Nazi!  In effect...you have just labeled everyone a potential Nazi..including yourself. 

Not me, my inner anarchist set fire to my inner Nazi and danced on his grave.

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54 minutes ago, Habitat said:

Saint joc, you are obviously a rare specimen, not heir to the dark impulses that bedevil the less fortunate. There are no Seven Deadly Sins for you to combat.

And lastly we have one more winner!  You are correct sir!

I have no sin! 

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The worrying thing is you appear to believe it, joc. That is what makes people like you dangerous !

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On 1/1/2020 at 10:30 AM, Aaron2016 said:

It's called fear.  Remember when entertainment and innocent fun was not scrutinized and made a sackable offence.  Yes, those were the day.

 

 

Innocent fun, just having a laugh. 

Your garbage is straight from the daily stormer's how to handbook. 

You're gross and weak and innefectual. Go away now, shoo dog. 

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2 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Innocent fun, just having a laugh. 

Your garbage is straight from the daily stormer's how to handbook. 

You're gross and weak and innefectual. Go away now, shoo dog. 

 

now now ....  why are you lashing out and trying to silence Aaron2016.... ?
 

@Aaron2016

You appear to have broken Farmer77......:w00t:

Many have tried but you did it...... without even trying ^_^

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

First of all Court Jesters didn't have a very long life, because of comments they made when the King was having a bad day. Next if you find his comments humorous that's your opinion, but to Germans who were not born during the time frame of WW II, those comments are repugnant. You see that War is still thrown in people's face to this very day, and most Germans who were born after the war still are guilt tripped for something they had nothing to do with.


I can understand that..... but Aaron2016 isn't condemning you or guilt tripping you -
quite the opposite as far as I can see...
 

16 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am an American, however, I am also a German, my Father and Mother immigrated to the US in the 1950s and I was born in the USA. My father and many relatives served in the German Military in WW II, I have heard the stories first hand concerning life in Germany and abroad during the War. Maybe I am too sensitive about this subject and maybe I am not sensitive at all, but one thing is for certain, I don't need a Holocaust denier intentional trying  to get a rise out of people, speaking about things he has no knowledge of.

peace  

 

Aaron2016 said he wasn't a holocaust denier.... and I think you are misunderstanding the points he's
making on this subject - just because you are '''triggered''' by his comments and analysis doesn't mean
that he said them to get a rise...

The British, too, have got into some ugly things in out history and we the General Public probably don't know
the half of it....

Even as recent as 2011... our (the British) involvement in the destruction of Libya and the brutal murder
of Gaddaffi..... was NOT something to be proud of.... but it happened in our name and we were, in reality,
powerless to stop it... sometimes groups of leaders and military who control the Media and the Armed
Forces.... get together and DO THINGS..... in our name but not really with our consent -

 

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