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U.S drone strike kills Iranian General.

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What's more difficult to assess at the moment is how all this is affecting internal politics in Iran..
Western (enemy of the people) MSM are portraying Soleimani as a kind of popular hero....
but how popular was he really... ?....

 

 

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Space Commander Travis
26 minutes ago, Farmer77 said:

Oh the destruction that is being brought to us by Trumpism is inevitable in an historical just check the box off the checklist kind of way. My screaming truths doesnt change a damn thing.

 

The destruction that is being brought o us by Trumpism? For heavens sake Farmer, isn't it obvious by now that he's no better but also no worse than any of the others within living memory.  

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Black Red Devil
7 hours ago, and then said:

Seems to have worked out reasonably well for you guys down under.  Or is there some horrific trauma you suffered at our hands?  Most Americans either couldn't find you on a map or give a damn if they did.  I don't agree with that take because I'm one who read extensively about WWII and came to appreciate the sacrifices all our allies made in that war.  The younger generation couldn't care less and that's why they have a train wreck coming in their future.

Your country is part of an Empire that basically TOOK whatever it wanted and didn't treat the locals very well to say the least.  Rule Britannia and all that jazz.  You don't see modern Americans pointing fingers.  Ever wonder why that is?  Not that you'd care but we don't because we KNOW that governments do whatever they can get by with and a lot that they just think they can.  Yours, ours, everyone's.  But guys like you and Tweedle Dum like to harp on the topic regularly as though from a supremely moral height.  

America has a lot of sins on its ledger.  We've also gotten a LOT of things right and are still the number one destination of people who want a chance in life.  But if it gives you pleasure to run us down so that you feel superior by comparison then by all means, have at it.  Just know that it gets really boring listening to it after awhile.  In fact, it begins to sound a bit whiny.  

BTW, sincere BEST wishes for saving as much as y'all can from the wildfire.  People here DO CARE about that.  

Oh, I see.  This is about you feeling butt hurt because a 'foreigner' (moi) dared provide an American (of the Right Wing National Conservative type) with true facts that don't bode well with yours and his political world views.  So, in retaliation you try to demeanor my country.  The funny thing about this is that by claiming most Americans couldn't even find us on a map, you're basically claiming most Americans are dumb. Maybe it's more about you and who you circle around with, huh? 

I'm not going to deny our past Colonialism and what the white man did to the Aborigines and above all I understand why they feel victims of the circumstances they're in.  Unfortunately there isn't much our generation can do about what happened in the past.  Instead, you and fellow fascists deny all evidence and rebuke the idea that Iranians may have a point in disliking your Govt for how it interfered in their politics in the past.  Not that your generation can undo what happened in the 1950's but at least acknowledge and recognise the constant interference which continues until this day.  See the difference?

You know, you can keep trying, to infinity, this attempt to turn me into an Anti-American and an anti-Jew because that's the only argument you have.  It's pretty simple, politically your arguments are flawed and you'll always end up with egg on your face, not so much because I'm smarter, but because you're on the wrong side of the political spectrum.  Unfortunately for you as mentioned before, over and over again actually, I don't hate Americans or Jews, I just dislike those Right wing warmongers and racists you like. 

But above all, you don't even realise how arrogant you come across by basically trying to claim you and your political views are a representation of all Americans. :lol:

Oh, edited to add, thanks for the wildlife wishes.  American firefighter volunteers  are currently here, helping to battle the fires and I hope they all go home safe. :tu:

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Space Commander Travis
1 hour ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats not what im saying at all. I am saying that the losing side of the war doesnt get to claim that their cultural values are the winner's cultural values. Therefore  monuments to individuals who fought for the confederacy are not American cultural sites.

 

that's "the winner writes history" there in a nutshell. 

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Farmer77
7 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

The destruction that is being brought o us by Trumpism? For heavens sake Farmer, isn't it obvious by now that he's no better but also no worse than any of the others within living memory.  

Not even kind of.  They each get a little worse for sure, in the best case scenario Trump has just accelerated that process by a generation or two.

Worse case we're talking a slide into oligarchy/authoritarianism.

 

 

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Space Commander Travis

Thank you Farmer, I think that must be a candidate for the most hilarious piece of a*rse-licking you're likely to see this year. But it doesn't make the Don seem all the more sinister and dictatorial, just the opposite; something that hilarious is exactly the kind of thing you'd hear Kim Jong-Un's most loyal sycophant subordinates say. That's so funny it's a parody of itself. 

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Although perhaps funnier still is the replies of all the Resistance(TM) members on twitter that he's obviously been bribed by Putin(TM). Don't the Resistance have any new memes to play with?

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Farmer77
Just now, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Thank you Farmer, I think that must be a candidate for the most hilarious piece of a*rse-licking you're likely to see this year. But it doesn't make the Don seem all the more sinister and dictatorial, just the opposite; something that hilarious is exactly the kind of thing you'd hear Kim Jong-Un's most loyal sycophant subordinates say. That's so funny it's a parody of itself. 

Honestly man its the whole toxic mix that makes me nervous. A single nutjob as POTUS isnt a big deal on its own, and neither is a sycophantic (compromised?) congress , nor is an agitated and faithful group of voters bound together via fear.

If we study our history though the three conditions coming together to work in unison, whether by design or just universal luck, leaves us in a very precarious position as a society.

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Farmer77
4 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Although perhaps funnier still is the replies of all the Resistance(TM) members on twitter that he's obviously been bribed by Putin(TM). Don't the Resistance have any new memes to play with?

The wild almost scared look some of these congressmen get when theyre on camera defending Trump makes me think there is some sort of leverage being held over some of them.

My first thought wouldnt be to look at Putin though, It'd be at Prince and his mercenary crew.  Ive had first hand experience watching their types strongarm people and they can be very thorough and convincing.

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Black Red Devil
1 hour ago, and then said:

For the first time in my memory, we have one party in the minority who have been actively trying to remove a duly elected president by all means, fair or foul and now they have taken it as far as minimizing a terror boss that we KNOW is responsible for over 600 dead U.S. troops and 1500 Iranian civilians as well as thousands of other Muslims in that region.  Think about that.  Our government is so divided that one party will actually work against our own best interests in their attempt to take this president out.

This nation is broken and the media 5th column are the ones with the sledgehammer.  They will be held accountable at some point.  Too many people are becoming alert, aware and FURIOUS about their actions.

LMFAO,what a ridiculous CT argument bordering on paranoia and prone to cultism. 

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Space Commander Travis

Why'd you delete that farmer/. That was hilarious 

Here it is again so people can see what we were talking about 

 

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Farmer77
11 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Why'd you delete that farmer/. That was hilarious 

Here it is again so people can see what we were talking about 

 

I was trying to do an edit and the phone rang and poof **** disappeared, IDK what happened :lol: Thanks !

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The Truman show
2 hours ago, and then said:

I see a lot of consistency in the area of trying his best to avoid getting into wider wars.  He made a statement that, had he kept it, we'd be in the middle of a HUGE mess and Iran would have very large, smoking holes where their nuclear infrastructure used to be.  He said he'd hit them if they killed our people OR hit our assets.  The Pentagon, for whatever credence you choose to give them, said that the battle damage assessment left no doubt that the Iranians meant to kill people.  I tend to trust our military leaders more than even our intel agencies.  It's not impossible that the military would lie but I find them to be less likely to do so.  

For the first time in my memory, we have one party in the minority who have been actively trying to remove a duly elected president by all means, fair or foul and now they have taken it as far as minimizing a terror boss that we KNOW is responsible for over 600 dead U.S. troops and 1500 Iranian civilians as well as thousands of other Muslims in that region.  Think about that.  Our government is so divided that one party will actually work against our own best interests in their attempt to take this president out.

This nation is broken and the media 5th column are the ones with the sledgehammer.  They will be held accountable at some point.  Too many people are becoming alert, aware and FURIOUS about their actions.

...have no doubt you see Trump as consistent. you've made this crystal clear, I think Pompeo is the real mastermind here. He is controlling Trump and putting some backbone into "Trump's decisions". Making sure that Trump's pacifist inclinations are tempered with a bit of realism. Thats what so inconsistent. Bravo to Pompeo and i also suspect Pence. Both are countering Trump in the most flattering way. 

Im sure that if 600 American soldiers have died, 60000 enemy combatants have paid the blood price, They certainly don't need Trump to avenge them. So cut with the Trump hero worship.    

For the first time in American history, Trump has alienated half the population and the half the government. Even his own party in the form of Pompeo and Pence are trying their best to counter Trumps negative decisions. Really, were you get off in claiming Trump a victim is anyones guess. Trump is the complication. 

At least we know that the deep state has activated enough for Trumps own people to counter his worse impulses with rationality and at the same time the media is informing the people and American democracy of this grave mis-justice of American democracy.   

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2 hours ago, bee said:


I don't find that weird.... Trump is not a warmonger at heart and although he is willing and able to
use the World's most advanced weaponry if he feels he has to.... he would rather avoid an escalation
that would cause the death of maybe many thousands or even millions, of innocent civilians... 

Trump is a pacifist. Trump talks big but plays a small game. Pompey and Pence are the real power behind the throne. Trump is just a figure head gathering all the anti-mainstream suckers into now group. 

2 hours ago, bee said:

And what would be wrong with that.....?
I would expect that of a responsible leader... to sit down and have respectful talks with other leaders.....

Again...... at heart Trump is not a warmonger... and it's thanks to that fact that we haven't seen a
dangerous escalation already - let's hope he can continue to steer away from a dangerous escalation
while at the same time hold the advantage....

There are many people, I'm sure.... wishing for a big war so they can blame Trump.... and behind
the scenes he has probably had to carefully control some Globalist Factions of the military who
would probably like to see this escalate into the start of WW3 with some serious population reduction and
global destabilization... opening the doors for the New World Order.... we are just pawns in their game
and so far Trump has managed to keep them under some kind of control... (IMO)

Trump is outta his league. He's just bumbling along and being tolerated because he appeals to the lowest common denominator of American democracy.

Trump is the  mistake that the establishment is trying to control. 

P.S. love wolves. You have excellent taste my dear. 

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Habitat
3 hours ago, bee said:

some Globalist Factions of the military who
would probably like to see this escalate into the start of WW3 with some serious population reduction and
global destabilization... opening the doors for the New World Order.

Hmmm.....don't think there are that many with the death wish.

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, Captain Risky said:

Trump is outta his league. He's just bumbling along and being tolerated because he appeals to the lowest common denominator of American democracy.

Yeeees... umm... aren't ALL Presidents like that ? I mean.. that's democracy for you ? 

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Setton
5 hours ago, and then said:

Our government is so divided that one party will actually work against our own best interests in their attempt to take this president out.

Or, yet again, you can't comprehend that someone might disagree with you on what is in your best interests. 

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Buzz_Light_Year
4 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Oh the destruction that is being brought to us by Trumpism is inevitable in an historical just check the box off the checklist kind of way. My screaming doesnt change a damn thing.

 

Fixed it for ya.

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RavenHawk
8 hours ago, Farmer77 said:

Thats not what im saying at all. I am saying that the losing side of the war doesnt get to claim that their cultural values are the winner's cultural values. Therefore  monuments to individuals who fought for the confederacy are not American cultural sites.

 

Just because one side lost and one side won, does not mean that we lost half of our culture.  Both the Industrial North and the Antebellum South are part of the American duality.  The Civil War did not change that.  We did not relinquish our individuality when the South lost.  We acquired new found unity.  General Lee is very much an American hero today as he has always been.  That he was on the losing side doesn’t matter all that much now.  Without Grant *AND* Lee, we would not be who we are today.  I can trace my family lines back to both sides.  There were many lessons to be learned.  But we are forgetting them and trying to fight the old battles as a means of distraction.  The old North and South merged back together a long time ago but with that healing new divisions have taken hold.  Slavery is still with us but in a different form.  The thing is, is that the differences between North and South are not as great as this new menace.  The North and South became one again, they all became Americans.  This new menace will never be American.  It is a far more insidious enemy of the people.  Divisions are just too great and there will be no healing until blood has been spilled.

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RavenHawk
4 hours ago, Setton said:

Or, yet again, you can't comprehend that someone might disagree with you on what is in your best interests. 

That is just way too easy to answer.  Socialism does not have the best interest of this nation at heart.  It can’t by definition.  Socialism must usurp what exists with its own interests.  It may convince its followers that its interests are the interests of the nation, but the followers do not know any better.  They belittle this nation and ignore its history.  This nation’s history is not to point out nothing but the bad and degrade our culture, but it is to relish in our history for all the good *and* bad and learn from her successes *and* failings.  The point is to be up beat and positive about that process.  Always moving forward.  Too many on the Left just want to wallow in pity.

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When someone says they know what's in your best interest they'd better be your parents or your lawyer. 

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Setton
2 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

That is just way too easy to answer.  Socialism does not have the best interest of this nation at heart.  

In your eyes. Because, again, you can't comprehend that others might disagree with you on what is best for your nation. 

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4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

This new menace will never be American.  It is a far more insidious enemy of the people.  Divisions are just too great and there will be no healing until blood has been spilled.

Sadly, I think you are correct.  My anger focuses on the provocateurs in the media complex.  Without them, this nation would NOT be in the throes of near rebellion again.  If violence ever does come, I sincerely hope that they yield up their pound of flesh just like the rest of us.

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

In your eyes. Because, again, you can't comprehend that others might disagree with you on what is best for your nation. 

What is difficult about understanding that various groups within America have different opinions about how to create a successful nation?  That's a no-brainer.  The important aspect of these choices lies with understanding the history behind these systems.  Socialism has been a literally bloody disaster every time it has been tried.  That isn't rhetoric, that is history.  Americans will resist this choice for a while longer, I hope.  If the globalists/Left/Progressive movement is not stopped then we will fall to Socialism at some point.  The wealth will flee, there will be a brain drain and any walls that were built will be used to keep the slaves IN, not out.

Politicians who tell fairy stories to young people about their heart's desires being available for "free", should, IMO, be forced to spend at least a year in places like Cuba or Venezuela.  The old seduction comes around every few generations.  They tell people who don't know any better that they have a RIGHT to the fruits of the labor of others.  Then they expect those others to keep working just as hard, smart and creatively, even though they are receiving nothing more than the least common denominator.  When governments tell you that you can ignore human nature, run away, fast and far.

Not meaning this as a personal attack, Setton, seriously not.  But do you believe that government can do a better job of creating opportunity for people by taking wealth from them and creating massive amounts of laws to force their compliance?

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Setton
1 minute ago, and then said:

What is difficult about understanding that various groups within America have different opinions about how to create a successful nation?  That's a no-brainer.  

Yet you seem not to be able to grasp it. 

Well, I guess that says everything. 

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