Mystery pneumonia virus (COVID-2019) in China

[Great Old Man]

Very suspicious: Wuhan Virology lab researched this

The vaccine, called DNT-rTV, is reported to have lasting effects due to the HIV DNA it contains.

Shao Yiming, a chief HIV researcher at the centre, stated that the candidate vaccine relies on replication of the DNA of HIV to stimulate effective immunisation.

https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/94875/china-set-to-begin-phase-ii-hiv-vaccine-trials/

[Still Waters]

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Coronavirus outbreak: Number of dead rises to 259 as amount of cases reaches 11,791

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-outbreak-number-of-dead-rises-to-259-as-amount-of-cases-reaches-11-791-11923320

 

[Raptor Witness]

The simple truth about How and Why this will likely become a pandemic.....

It’s The Math .... 

Edited February 1, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[Eldorado]

"A gray-haired man wearing a face mask lies dead on the pavement at ground zero of China's virus epidemic, a plastic shopping bag in one hand.

"On what would typically be a crowded street in Wuhan, an industrial city of 11 million under quarantine, there are only a few passersby and they dare not go near him."

At Daily sabah (Asia Pacific): https://www.dailysabah.com/asia/2020/01/31/dead-man-lies-in-empty-street-in-chinas-wuhan-amid-emergency-over-coronavirus

 

"Economic damage from the coronavirus outbreak is initially estimated at 300 billion yuan (1.3 trillion baht) in a month's time, putting China's annual GDP growth below the 6% baseline this year, says Kasikorn Research Centre (K-Research)."

At the Bangkok Post: https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1847289/virus-losses-put-at-b1-3tn

300 billion yuan = $43b

Edited February 1, 2020 by Eldorado

[Raptor Witness]

Japanese bus driver who had not visited China contracts coronavirus - SCMP 1-28-20

A Japanese bus driver in his 60s living in Nara Prefecture, western Japan, who had never been to Wuhan but had transported tourists who were from there, was among three more people found infected on Tuesday with the new coronavirus

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A infectious Taxi driver in Thailand, now a bus driver in Japan ... That truly is ominous.

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”Dread” will their commanders cry out, of this plaga from the cursed sky. Tiny stones at sunset, sent from Goliath’s grasp. “Source  12-10-2019

So perhaps Goliath(China) falls(sunset,) struck by a large stone, but from his “grasp” are released tiny stones.

An ironic forecast from a thread lamenting animal extinctions, considering that these “tiny stones” likely first jumped from an animal to the cause, of the mass extinctions.

Or perhaps we are the unfortunate “Goliath,” and these are now in his grasp.

Electron Microscopic View of the Novel Caronavirus - CDC/John Hierholzer, MD

[Grim Reaper 6]

38 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

"A gray-haired man wearing a face mask lies dead on the pavement at ground zero of China's virus epidemic, a plastic shopping bag in one hand.

"On what would typically be a crowded street in Wuhan, an industrial city of 11 million under quarantine, there are only a few passersby and they dare not go near him."

At Daily sabah (Asia Pacific): https://www.dailysabah.com/asia/2020/01/31/dead-man-lies-in-empty-street-in-chinas-wuhan-amid-emergency-over-coronavirus

 

"Economic damage from the coronavirus outbreak is initially estimated at 300 billion yuan (1.3 trillion baht) in a month's time, putting China's annual GDP growth below the 6% baseline this year, says Kasikorn Research Centre (K-Research)."

At the Bangkok Post: https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/1847289/virus-losses-put-at-b1-3tn

300 billion yuan = $43b

Hey Buddy, thanks for posting this updated information , it appears that you want to stay up to date on this situation. Here is a link by the John Hopkins Medical Center were they have posted a Dash Board where the most up to date information from reliable sources, such as the CDC, WHO and other vaiuble sources. Check it out, it's worth the time and it worth adding to your favorites.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Peace

Edited February 1, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, Still Waters said:

 

Here is a really good link to the John Hopkins Medical Center, they are keeping an updated Dash Board, that they Update through the day. It's the best site for accurate up to date information, and it worth adding to your favorites.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Peace

[RoofGardener]

Here's a thing. 

So the UK evacuated lots of British people from WuHan, and flew them into a mountain an isolated military airfield, and then put them in buses to an isolation hospital, where they will be burned alive held in isolation for two weeks. 

Each bus had a warden on board, in a full Biological Protection suite. The bus drivers, who where sitting next to the wardens,  where told that they would NOT require any protection, and hence where in their shirt-sleeves. They didn't even have a paper mask on. Bear in mind that in these buses, the driver is in the same cabin as the passengers; there is no isolation. 

What gives ? 

[Raptor Witness]

Delta speeds up suspension of U.S.-China flights - CNBC 2-1-2020

This just hit the wires, they were supposed to stop next week, but they are stopping now.

Pandemic Mode ?

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[+susieice]

A confirmed case has just been found in Boston. That brings the US total to 8.

https://www.fox29.com/news/officials-confirm-1st-case-of-coronavirus-in-massachusetts-us-cases-rise-to-8?fbclid=IwAR3l_itasraHpvkhxHE_jjQ60krx1Ap59604vfD6nMjjxoubAv4PTuPHff8

Edited February 1, 2020 by susieice

[+susieice]

Just wow! I wonder if this is true. Has China been cremating bodies to hide the real death toll?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951279/China-accused-lying-true-scale-coronavirus.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR3GtgcgQiSf77WWwDkYR_74WQum6h67yTZt7R4C5bgkWDBWwclOsDaMb-I

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Here's a thing. 

So the UK evacuated lots of British people from WuHan, and flew them into a mountain an isolated military airfield, and then put them in buses to an isolation hospital, where they will be burned alive held in isolation for two weeks. 

Each bus had a warden on board, in a full Biological Protection suite. The bus drivers, who where sitting next to the wardens,  where told that they would NOT require any protection, and hence where in their shirt-sleeves. They didn't even have a paper mask on. Bear in mind that in these buses, the driver is in the same cabin as the passengers; there is no isolation. 

What gives ? 

Since the Virus is spread by coughed or sneezed micro-liquid droplets according to the CDC, and these droplets can be projected up 7 feet by a cough or a sneeze. Being in the same cabin is not the problem, the problem is how close is the nearest passenger to him and is anyone coughing of sneezing. If there is no coughing and sneezing then there is no problem, so long as he doesn't touch anyone and then touch his face, especially his eyes, nose or mouth. 

Peace

[Grim Reaper 6]

24 minutes ago, susieice said:

Just wow! I wonder if this is true. Has China been cremating bodies to hide the real death toll?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7951279/China-accused-lying-true-scale-coronavirus.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR3GtgcgQiSf77WWwDkYR_74WQum6h67yTZt7R4C5bgkWDBWwclOsDaMb-I

I suppose it could be possible, but it could also be nothing but rumor. I doubt we will ever really know the truth, China has a very closed society and with all the quarantine in effect they could hide it very easily.

Peace

[Raptor Witness]

1 hour ago, susieice said:

Just wow! I wonder if this is true. Has China been cremating bodies to hide the real death toll?

This rumor has been going around the Internet, and includes reports that the crematory workers in Wuhan are burning bodies 24/7 and can’t keep up. The reason is simple math.

My guess is, the hospitals likely don’t have nearly enough ICU beds, so some people are just dying without being treated or tested for the virus.

If only 5% of patients arriving at hospital  are developing Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome(ARDS), that’s almost certain death for anybody who is not properly treated, immediately, and you’re on a ventilator for weeks, in some cases!

So let’s say the actual rate of infection in Wuhan is really 10 times what they have already tested, that would put the number of ICU patients at about 150,000 x .05 = 7,500. With only roughly 40,000 total beds currently available in this city, and 10% at best, available to handle ICU cases, that’s only 4,000 available ICU beds in WuHan, in a city of 11 million. This also assumes that they have one ventilator for each available ICU bed, which is doubtful.

This patient, who was treated for ARDS was immobilized for 45 days, to save his life! So you do the math. If you get ARDS, you are dead, if you’re in a city with an even modest infection rate. 

 

Edited February 2, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

This rumor has been going around the Internet, and includes reports that the crematory workers in Wuhan are burning bodies 24/7 and can’t keep up. The reason is simple math.

My guess is, the hospitals likely don’t have nearly enough ICU beds, so some people are just dying without being treated or tested for the virus.

If only 5% of patients arriving at hospital  are developing Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome(ARDS), that’s almost certain death for anybody who is not properly treated, immediately, and you’re on a ventilator for weeks, in some cases!

So let’s say the actual rate of infection in Wuhan is really 10 times what they have already tested, that would put the number of ICU patients at about 150,000 x .05 = 7,500. With only roughly 40,000 total beds currently available in this city, and 10% at best, available to handle ICU cases, that’s only 4,000 available ICU beds in WuHan, in a city of 11 million.

This patient, who was treated for ARDS was immobilized for 45 days, to save his life! So you do the math. If you get ARDS, you are dead, if you’re in a city with an even modest infection rate. 

 

You are really a sad individual, you make up stories so people will pay attention to you. There is no basis for your comments except pure speculation and rumors you should be embarrassed.  Chances are great though that Karma will catch up you, and Karma can be a real b****.

Peace

Edited February 2, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[DarkHunter]

27 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

You are really a sad individual, you make up stories so people will pay attention to you. There is no basis for your comments except pure speculation and rumors you should be embarrassed.  Chances are great though that Karma will catch up you, and Karma can be a real b****.

Peace

That's not exactly true, nothing has been confirmed but there have been a decent amount of people claiming online to be doctors or nurses from China and they all say the outbreak is far worse then what is officially being reported.  A lot of them are saying total infected in China is well over 150,000 with 10s of thousands dead.

Then there is stuff like this that pops up every so often.

https://mobile.twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1223632805189443589

It is supposedly footage from a home security system showing people in hazmat suits taking body bags quietly out of an apartment complex, the video clip is only 15 seconds and only shows 1 body bag being removed.

Ultimately all of this stuff hasnt been confirmed and it very well could all be fake but the amount of material is concerning and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that this outbreak is significantly worse then being reported and the Chinese government is lieing to avoid panic and give the impression they are still in charge.  

[DarkHunter]

Also feel like I should mention that I have heard much more plausible rumors that what China is doing is only counting people who died while in a hospital as deaths by coronavirus with people who have died at home that may not even of gone to a hospital just being cremated immediately with no autopsy done to determine cause of death in areas where there is an outbreak to keep the count as low as possible.

But like I said nothing has been confirmed and I can easily see China trying to hide the true death count and infection rate.

[spartan max2]

Today at the grocery store I saw a dude checking out who had on a mouth mask and sun glasses. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

34 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

That's not exactly true, nothing has been confirmed but there have been a decent amount of people claiming online to be doctors or nurses from China and they all say the outbreak is far worse then what is officially being reported.  A lot of them are saying total infected in China is well over 150,000 with 10s of thousands dead.

Then there is stuff like this that pops up every so often.

https://mobile.twitter.com/detresfa_/status/1223632805189443589

It is supposedly footage from a home security system showing people in hazmat suits taking body bags quietly out of an apartment complex, the video clip is only 15 seconds and only shows 1 body bag being removed.

Ultimately all of this stuff hasnt been confirmed and it very well could all be fake but the amount of material is concerning and it's not beyond the realm of possibility that this outbreak is significantly worse then being reported and the Chinese government is lieing to avoid panic and give the impression they are still in charge.  

That isn't the point, first the individual claims to have prophetizd the entire event, then he takes any rumor and blows it up bigger than it is. Until these rumors are confirmed there is no need to fantasize about the worst case situation occurring. You see the sky isn't falling and people who add to this nonsense will ultimately suffer the Karma they deserve. Until the CDC or The Who confirm these reports they nothing but rumors hurt more people than they help.

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate you responce, just a little tired of these so called prophets. 

Peace

[Grim Reaper 6]

27 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Today at the grocery store I saw a dude checking out who had on a mouth mask and sun glasses. 

You see the stupidity is already catching on, but what can you expect their are idiots everywhere.

Peace

[Raptor Witness]

 

The Chinese word han - 寒 - hán
(cold in Chinese)

Edited February 2, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[DarkHunter]

22 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

That isn't the point, first the individual claims to have prophetizd the entire event, then he takes any rumor and blows it up bigger than it is. Until these rumors are confirmed there is no need to fantasize about the worst case situation occurring. You see the sky isn't falling and people who add to this nonsense will ultimately suffer the Karma they deserve. Until the CDC or The Who confirm these reports they nothing but rumors hurt more people than they help.

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate you responce, just a little tired of these so called prophets. 

Peace

I agree with you on the whole prophetizing thing and assuming automatic worse case scenario.

Just wanted to point out there is concern trends in China that are definitely being under reported like how a city, cant remember which one and I'm too lazy to look it up but it has 9 million people in it, has banned all people from leaving their homes except for 1 designated family member that is allowed to leave every other day to buy food and other needed household items.

[Grim Reaper 6]

38 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Also feel like I should mention that I have heard much more plausible rumors that what China is doing is only counting people who died while in a hospital as deaths by coronavirus with people who have died at home that may not even of gone to a hospital just being cremated immediately with no autopsy done to determine cause of death in areas where there is an outbreak to keep the count as low as possible.

But like I said nothing has been confirmed and I can easily see China trying to hide the true death count and infection rate.

There is no such thing as a plausible rumor, that an oxymoron. The truth is the stories being run have no official statements, they always start off with "well it's being said, or were being told, or we heard and on and on. The only reason these rumors are being printed is to sell news papers, it's no different than blowing up a story and claiming you prophiced it. It's all about getting attention and making a situation worst in the process.

People need to step back and take a deep breath, if things get bad everyone had better be able to take care of their own. People should be focusing on what they can do to protect themselves not be worried about situations across the World that they can't control. Because if things go south the government won't be able to handle the situation for long, not because of the illness, because of the panic that would ensue

Thats why it best not to spread rumors, because their are far to many people who will over react and once that happens the only thing that can be done is stop them anyway possible, and it doesn't take a prophet to understand what that means.

Peace

[Raptor Witness]

The Real Reason to Panic About China’s Plague Outbreak - It’s not the disease that’s worrisome—it’s the Chinese government’s response to it. - NOVEMBER 16, 2019, Foreign Policy. com

On Nov. 3, Li Jifeng, a doctor at Beijing Chaoyang Hospital, the capital’s key infectious diseases treatment and quarantine center, attended to a middle-aged man who was struggling to breathe and his wife, who was also running a high fever and likewise gasping for air. The couple had been ailing for at least 10 days by the time Li saw them. They had initially sought care some 250 miles north of China’s capital in Inner Mongolia, a frigid cold region that straddles the borders of China, Mongolia, and North Korea, before being sent to Beijing for observation.

So far, so good, for China’s response. More ominous, however, was what happened next. Li’s WeChat social media posting describing the couple was quickly deleted. Meanwhile, the government officially informed the World Health Organization (WHO) about the cases, as it was required to do, but only on Nov. 13—after they were already reported by journalists around the world.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I agree with you on the whole prophetizing thing and assuming automatic worse case scenario.

Just wanted to point out there is concern trends in China that are definitely being under reported like how a city, cant remember which one and I'm too lazy to look it up but it has 9 million people in it, has banned all people from leaving their homes except for 1 designated family member that is allowed to leave every other day to buy food and other needed household items.

That's a normal procedure in a situation like this and it makes perfect sense. The Virus is spread by micro-droplets of liquid spread by coughing or sneezing which can cover a distance of 7 feet. With no crowds on the streets cross contamination is eliminated because the Virus isn't just floating around in the air. A good fitting Surgical Mask and wrap around eye cover will protect you from this Virus, along with not touching your face, especially your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands.

Its really not rocket science, and the way they are handling it is the correct way.

Peace