ChrLzs Posted January 15, 2020 #51 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) On 1/15/2020 at 6:58 AM, Eldorado said: Latest: Investigators, Bay Area experts reassure skeptical public that crash was not a hoax {link redacted} It's behind a paywall. Can the mercurynews tell us whether the parts found matched the SUV model? That the wreck has been located and the rego plates at least photographed by divers? As a card-carrying skeptical public member, I am not even vaguely re-assured. And as for paywalls, if you don't want your info to be public, then post on then don't put it on the interwebz, or at least don't let Google point to it... Edited January 15, 2020 by ChrLzs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 15, 2020 #52 Share Posted January 15, 2020 BTW, here's a little addendum.... From someone who has access thru the paywall {cough}, here's a quote: Quote It’s been almost two weeks, and CHP is still working through dozens of leads — some credible, some not — about missing persons and car parts along the coast, Diaz said. None have borne out so far. Car parts that later floated up off Highway 1 have not been confirmed as matching the vehicle’s description. Now think about that. More than two weeks have elapsed. The initial claim was the Coast Guard and divers actually went to the scene but due to huge waves, could not investigate further ..but that parts had been found. Didn't the CG know what the marine weather was like - why go there in such bad conditions? And now they've had two weeks, if the story is true the location of the vehicle is pretty accurately known, and yet they haven't got any further information to offer? These are the same 'authorities' that have said the footage is 'verified'? Sheesh. Is that how 'investigations' work over there? I'm flabbergasted.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 15, 2020 #53 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) {double post} Edited January 15, 2020 by ChrLzs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted January 16, 2020 #54 Share Posted January 16, 2020 3 hours ago, ChrLzs said: It's behind a paywall. Hence why I quoted it instead of posting the link, not that it's too difficult to get around the paywall clearly.. 3 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Can the mercurynews tell us whether the parts found matched the SUV model? That the wreck has been located and the rego plates at least photographed by divers? I think it was in the article, or it may have been a different one, but no - the parts found and identified don't match, the parts that haven't been identified are.. unidentified. I think we are putting too much stock in these kinds of statements though. The kind of debris you would find after a serious accident are very unlikely to lead to identification - a decent bit of body panel or light cluster maybe, but small pieces of black plastic? The idea you could just hand it to a mechanic and easily get an ID as some have said is laughable Of course that's pretty irrelevant though if the car cleared the cliff and ended up in the water intact in which case there may well be no debris to assess.. 2 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Now think about that. More than two weeks have elapsed. The initial claim was the Coast Guard and divers actually went to the scene but due to huge waves, could not investigate further ..but that parts had been found. Didn't the CG know what the marine weather was like - why go there in such bad conditions? Because there was the possibility/likelihood that someone was injured/killed? They will always attempt a search in those circumstances but won't risk more lives for it. I too find the 2 week gap very weird but I don't know how much of a search they have managed to do so far. Also not sure if there is something particularly treacherous about the tides or geography of the cliffside in that area that may complicate things further. 2 hours ago, ChrLzs said: And now they've had two weeks, if the story is true the location of the vehicle is pretty accurately known, and yet they haven't got any further information to offer? Unless the car cleared the cliff, landed in the water and was carried out by the current and sunk further out? 2 weeks of tides and rough weather, that's probably a much larger search area than you'd think. Is it weird? Yes! But sometimes, stuff just 'disappears', especially in large bodies of water. I wish there was a more satisfying answer, but so far there's not. 2 hours ago, ChrLzs said: These are the same 'authorities' that have said the footage is 'verified'? Sheesh. Is that how 'investigations' work over there? I'm flabbergasted.. Well its verified in so far as we have the footage (that experts claim is likely genuine), tyre tracks (and it's not exactly a common place to see tyre tracks you'd hope) and at least 2 first hand witnesses. Of course a mastermind may have created some incredible deepfake that has fooled everyone, fudged the time stamps and geo data, faked the tyre tracks, called the cops and wasted police and coast guard resources for a couple of weeks and roped in a buddy to back up his account in order to.. get 5 minutes of notoriety on a story people are already forgetting about? Instead of, say, getting a job in Hollywood or blackmailing public figures with his talents.. And now the authorities are wasting resources and investigating further just to save face? We can agree to disagree, but it takes some serious mental gymnastics to get there if you ask me. Fingers crossed they find the wreckage/ villainous videographer/ interdimensional portal soon and put us all out of our misery.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted January 16, 2020 #55 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Where's Jon and Ponch? They'd have this solved in 48 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted January 16, 2020 #56 Share Posted January 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: Hence why I quoted it instead of posting the link, not that it's too difficult to get around the paywall clearly.. ? I was responding to Eldorado's post, but never mind. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: I think it was in the article, or it may have been a different one, but no - the parts found and identified don't match, the parts that haven't been identified are.. unidentified. I think we are putting too much stock in these kinds of statements though. I'd just ask who were they identified by? No-one seems to know who is doing what, if anything. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: The kind of debris you would find after a serious accident are very unlikely to lead to identification - a decent bit of body panel or light cluster maybe, but small pieces of black plastic? The idea you could just hand it to a mechanic and easily get an ID as some have said is laughable. The vehicle didn't explode. Hereabouts this would have been quite a story, and the effort to get into the area, locate the vehicle and recover or at least dive on it would be of major public interest. I guess thungs are different over there... 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: Of course that's pretty irrelevant though if the car cleared the cliff and ended up in the water intact in which case there may well be no debris to assess.. Well unless they floated to shore and then drove off, there is a vehicle on the sea bottom. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: Because there was the possibility/likelihood that someone was injured/killed? They will always attempt a search in those circumstances but won't risk more lives for it. I see little evidence of any continuing efforts, and the reporting of what has been done to date is woeful. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: I too find the 2 week gap very weird but I don't know how much of a search they have managed to do so far. Also not sure if there is something particularly treacherous about the tides or geography of the cliffside in that area that may complicate things further. Agreed. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: Well its verified in so far as we have the footage (that experts claim is likely genuine), tyre tracks (and it's not exactly a common place to see tyre tracks you'd hope) and at least 2 first hand witnesses. I'd call it just two. Maybe they know each other, and the second was the 'driver'/launcher... 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: Of course a mastermind may have created some incredible deepfake that has fooled everyone, fudged the time stamps and geo data, faked the tyre tracks, called the cops and wasted police and coast guard resources for a couple of weeks and roped in a buddy to back up his account in order to.. get 5 minutes of notoriety on a story people are already forgetting about? Instead of, say, getting a job in Hollywood or blackmailing public figures with his talents.. I agree it's unlikely to be a fake - my objection is to the lack of proper investigation or recovery effort - but maybe it's just bad reporting. But frankly, the sort of fakery involved is not as difficult as you portray. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: And now the authorities are wasting resources and investigating further just to save face? No, they appear to doing sweet f a. 52 minutes ago, Chewie1990 said: We can agree to disagree, but it takes some serious mental gymnastics to get there if you ask me. Fingers crossed they find the wreckage/ villainous videographer/ interdimensional portal soon and put us all out of our misery.. I'd just like to see some decent reporting of a decent investigation, and the marine researcher in me wants to know precisely what happened, if the vehicle did go in as advertised... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted January 16, 2020 #57 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: ? I was responding to Eldorado's post, but never mind. I know you were, I wasn't say that in a combative way, just justifying why I posted a wall of text instead of sharing the source. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I'd just ask who were they identified by? No-one seems to know who is doing what, if anything. True, but I wouldn't expect that level of detail from a story like this, you don't often get the names and credentials of experts or consultants unless they are quoted. It's also possible the debris hasn't been formally assessed and its journalist speak for "I didn't see anything with a Lexus badge on it". Either way I don't think you can rely on it - if Lexus RX parts are found it doesn't guarantee the footage is genuine and if none are identified it doesn't prove its fake. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: The vehicle didn't explode. Did it need to? I drove past an accident on the way home yesterday. Every piece of debris on the road would fit in the palm of my hand and there's no way I could identify the cars from it if they weren't still parked there. It's entirely possible either there isn't any debris, it's too small to identify or they just havent found it all yet - unfortunately we have no idea as reporting is spotty at best. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Hereabouts this would have been quite a story, and the effort to get into the area, locate the vehicle and recover or at least dive on it would be of major public interest. I guess thungs are different over there... It was - it went all over the internet and right around the world. But people have short attention spans these days and if it doesn't give instant gratification it quickly gets forgotten. 2 weeks is a long time for a story to have no payoff. Also doesn't help it happened over Christmas. I'm guessing it's a bigger deal to the locals (who have done all the things you say) and it's still in the news there, but unfortunately most of the local press seems to operate behind a paywall.. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Well unless they floated to shore and then drove off, there is a vehicle on the sea bottom. 100% agree, but between the compromised search efforts and potential that the car was dragged out to sea they either haven't found it yet or haven't looked in the right place. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I see little evidence of any continuing efforts, and the reporting of what has been done to date is woeful. No argument from me - though in fairness if there's nothing to report, what can they do? I have no idea how bad the weather or seas are over there or how thorough the search has been but you'd imagine they've done as much as they've been able to. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I'd call it just two. Maybe they know each other, and the second was the 'driver'/launcher... Again, totally possible. But..why? If this video was uploaded to YouTube, the search kicked off and the hoaxer felt bad and didn't want trouble for wasting police time so didn't own up to it and pretended to be a witness to get out of it then that I could believe. But to go straight to the police and treat it as genuine from the start just seems bizarre and for no obvious benefit. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I agree it's unlikely to be a fake - my objection is to the lack of proper investigation or recovery effort - but maybe it's just bad reporting. But frankly, the sort of fakery involved is not as difficult as you portray. Really? The CGI experts in that article seem to think it's pretty hard to do to that standard. And heck, every blockbuster, multi-million dollar movie with a car chase seems to agree with them, I don't think I've ever seen one that stands up to close scrutiny. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: No, they appear to doing sweet f a. Appear to be. But that's easy to say miles away behind a keyboard, we just don't know what they're doing. You can blame poor journalism for that but it's not really fair to judge the search efforts when we don't really know anything about them or the conditions. 5 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I'd just like to see some decent reporting of a decent investigation, and the marine researcher in me wants to know precisely what happened, if the vehicle did go in as advertised... Exactly, hopefully we'll see some more information soon.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted January 25, 2020 #58 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) Could have float away for a while but with the speed of it... would not have been a soft landing... Edited January 25, 2020 by Jon the frog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmoonlady Posted January 25, 2020 #59 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Depending on the depth past the cliff itself it could be hundreds of feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted January 25, 2020 #60 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) The filmers apparently stopped to investigate, so what did they see when they looked over the cliff, was the car floating or what? Edited January 25, 2020 by Crikey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted January 26, 2020 #61 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Crikey said: The filmers apparently stopped to investigate, so what did they see when they looked over the cliff, was the car floating or what? Strange that there was no footage of that, don'cha think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted January 26, 2020 #62 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Yes, I hang at the LiveLeak and Leaked Reality video sites and we can usually detect fakes easily enough. I'm not saying that car vid is definitely a fake, but it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted February 3, 2020 #63 Share Posted February 3, 2020 There's a bit more here, but it doesn't really help. https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article239369388.html I note that a self-proclaimed 'media forensics' expert says he sees no evidence of fakery... I agree that the footage itself looks real, but I find it very odd that no-one seems to be addressing the facts: - the image wobbles terribly and appears to be handheld (do you guys normally hold your dashcams?) - there seems to be one version of the video that is in landscape (horizontal) format, but another that is apparently shot in portrait (vertical) format. Dashcams don't do portrait format... OK, so the imagery got reshot, who cares..? Well, the problem is that the guy who shot the footage was still at the scene when the cops got there and he gave them his SD card... So who reshot it and why? - why is the quality so bloody awful if they have the original footage? (Yes, some dashcams *were* that bad, but it would be hard to find one nowadays that has such low resolution)... - low resolution is of course, a good thing if you want to fake some footage - apparently the cops didn't get the guys name? see below.. - they also didn't ask him why he didn't film the area at the base of the cliffs, after he ran back to see what had transpired..? Seriously? - weeks have now passed - no missing persons... no matching vehicles missing / reported stolen. No matching debris, floating or otherwise, along the shore - there is little information about any further examination of the area (in calm conditions) where it would have landed. I might email the reporter at that site for more information. My best guess is that it is either an unwanted/abandoned/stolen vehicle that was unmanned at the time it went over, or as i said at the start, a fake video and story. Given we have no way of checking on the source, it appears to be a dead end unless the authorities actually do their job. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted February 3, 2020 #64 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, ChrLzs said: There's a bit more here, but it doesn't really help. https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article239369388.html I note that a self-proclaimed 'media forensics' expert says he sees no evidence of fakery... Self-proclaimed here meaning CEO of a media forensics company, not an amateur in their parents basement.. I can't speak to his competence and he could just as easily be wrong or lying but let's not blindly play down his credentials He's also not alone as that's the same quote from the article I shared a couple of weeks ago which contained comments from a Hollywood CGI guy to the same effect Quote I agree that the footage itself looks real, but I find it very odd that no-one seems to be addressing the facts: - the image wobbles terribly and appears to be handheld (do you guys normally hold your dashcams?) Actually the first few seconds aside I'd say it looks too stable to be handheld. The big move in the first few seconds is odd for sure but it could have been knocked or adjusted (convenient timing I'll concede) or could simply be the result of going over a bump if the joint between the camera and suction cup has a little too much play in it - I had a cheap dashcam for a while that would float around all over the place, especially if there was any tension or pull on the power cable Quote - there seems to be one version of the video that is in landscape (horizontal) format, but another that is apparently shot in portrait (vertical) format. Dashcams don't do portrait format... OK, so the imagery got reshot, who cares..? Quote Well, the problem is that the guy who shot the footage was still at the scene when the cops got there and he gave them his SD card... So who reshot it and why? Who cares? Me! If there's reshoots then it's fake. End of. I assume instead you are referring to the original video and a cropped video shared by some sites? This can be done entirely post production and has nothing to do with how the footage was filmed. If I've misunderstood and there are two versions available then please share, that would be interesting.. Quote - why is the quality so bloody awful if they have the original footage? (Yes, some dashcams *were* that bad, but it would be hard to find one nowadays that has such low resolution)... Because the original footage was bloody awful? Who says it isn't a 10 year old dashcam? With lousy resolution and a dodgy camera mount I'd expect pretty bad footage. It could be a sign of deception, but its more like a sign that tech moves on fast and not everyone keeps up with the latest and greatest Quote - apparently the cops didn't get the guys name? see below.. The article didn't say that unless I'm missing something. He stuck around for 5 hours, made a statement and was very cooperative. The second witness contacted them via social media so they know who they are as well. Quote - they also didn't ask him why he didn't film the area at the base of the cliffs, after he ran back to see what had transpired..? Seriously? Why should he do that? Maybe there was nothing to see/film? If the car is in the water it could be out of sight before he got his seatbelt off.. Hell, maybe he DID, we just havent seen it because it adds nothing to the case Quote - weeks have now passed - no missing persons... no matching vehicles missing / reported stolen. No matching debris, floating or otherwise, along the shore The article does state debris has washed up and has been sent for assessment - no matches yet but we'll see what happens As for the car, I agree that's weird, I expected some kind of an ID by now. I'd assume it's either from out of state or maybe the registered owner was driving and has no friends or family to report the car missing but this is probably the main bit that doesn't sit right with me at the moment. Quote - there is little information about any further examination of the area (in calm conditions) where it would have landed. ..and this is the other. Is the weather still bad? Have they searched and not publicised it? Or have they given up entirely? No idea Quote I might email the reporter at that site for more information. My best guess is that it is either an unwanted/abandoned/stolen vehicle that was unmanned at the time it went over, or as i said at the start, a fake video and story. Given we have no way of checking on the source, it appears to be a dead end unless the authorities actually do their job. That's actually a great idea, I would definitely appreciate it if you did and kept us in the loop with anything you hear back. You could even point them in the direction of the forum, maybe we can get our updates first hand! I won't hold my breath though, I have a feeling this is going to be one of those unsatisfying cases that goes nowhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted February 4, 2020 #65 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: Self-proclaimed here meaning CEO of a media forensics company, not an amateur in their parents basement.. I can't speak to his competence and he could just as easily be wrong or lying but let's not blindly play down his credentials Well, if he doesn't give any reasons for being convinced, and he doesn't raise some basic problems with the footage, then yes, I'm going to question his cred. I'd prefer a good amateur to some CEO who doesn't demonstrate competence... 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: Actually the first few seconds aside I'd say it looks too stable to be handheld. The big move in the first few seconds is odd for sure but it could have been knocked or adjusted (convenient timing I'll concede) or could simply be the result of going over a bump if the joint between the camera and suction cup has a little too much play in it - I had a cheap dashcam for a while that would float around all over the place, especially if there was any tension or pull on the power cable hmmm. You should probably take a look here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/01/dramatic-video-shows-car-plunging-off-cliff-along-highway-1/ .. (sorry, it's behind a partial paywall, but you should get the idea - note it is in landscape format, and the camera movement is ridiculous. I suspect other footage has been stabilised...? I'll try to get a better link later. 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: If I've misunderstood and there are two versions available then please share, that would be interesting.. Here's some clips from the 'portrait' version at one of many websites that use it instead: https://www.ktvu.com/video/640720 Those sites say that the vertical footage came from the same source... It makes no sense! 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: The article didn't say that unless I'm missing something. He stuck around for 5 hours, made a statement and was very cooperative. The second witness contacted them via social media so they know who they are as well. Surely they should have gone back to interview them in more detail by now. And why doesn't the source offer the original footage via Youtube. No-one *has* to do that, but there seems to be no way to investigate further. And it's a rather important question - did this actually happen, or have these guys wasted thousands of dollars in search activities by the authorities, just for a hoax? 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: Why should he do that? Maybe there was nothing to see/film? It's what I'd do, as you would surely be watching to see if anyone managed to get out and to the surface. Again, it's not necessarily what everyone would think to do, but when you add all these things up..... 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: The article does state debris has washed up and has been sent for assessment - no matches yet but we'll see what happens Again, how much time has now elapsed .. and where's the follow up info? It's either identifiable or not, it doesn't take weeks... 15 hours ago, Chewie1990 said: That's actually a great idea, I would definitely appreciate it if you did and kept us in the loop with anything you hear back. You could even point them in the direction of the forum, maybe we can get our updates first hand! I won't hold my breath though, I have a feeling this is going to be one of those unsatisfying cases that goes nowhere.. I will do this I think, maybe to more than one of the reporters so as to increase the chances... I'll be back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted February 4, 2020 #66 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 10:33 AM, Manwon Lender said: What do you think is going on here, doctored footage, CGI, or is this a time traveler going back to the future!, This is very interesting, I hope the rest of the story comes to light. Add 'ghost car' and 'paranormally saved' to that list of possibilities!! It's been a month now and no answers. And there is likely to be family/friends. Edited February 4, 2020 by papageorge1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted February 4, 2020 #67 Share Posted February 4, 2020 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Well, if he doesn't give any reasons for being convinced, and he doesn't raise some basic problems with the footage, then yes, I'm going to question his cred. I'd prefer a good amateur to some CEO who doesn't demonstrate competence... I'm guessing this guy hasn't done any video analysis on the clip, they just asked him for his take and he said it looked real. It's a lot easier to point out reasons why something is fake than why it is real though. If the footage is genuine then he can't list his reasons for being convinced - he either is or he isn't. As for these basic problems I'm not really seeing much - at least as far as the video itself - the circumstances are a whole other thing but not really his department.. Looking at it from the other side, the article I quoted a couple of weeks ago quoted another expert on why common practices of video editing probably weren't used in this case. I'm not saying either of these articles proves anything, not even close. But we need to be careful not to dismiss what other people say (including experts) just because it doesn't agree with our opinion. 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: hmmm. You should probably take a look here: https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/01/dramatic-video-shows-car-plunging-off-cliff-along-highway-1/ .. (sorry, it's behind a partial paywall, but you should get the idea - note it is in landscape format, and the camera movement is ridiculous. I suspect other footage has been stabilised...? I'll try to get a better link later. Here's some clips from the 'portrait' version at one of many websites that use it instead: https://www.ktvu.com/video/640720 Those sites say that the vertical footage came from the same source... It makes no sense! That link is fine, thanks. Hard to say for sure flipping between tabs on a phone but I'm pretty sure that's still the same footage. The Mercury News clip appears to be cropped and/or zoomed throughout - hence appearing as landscape (and blurry as hell). The KTVU video has an initial clip approaching the scene (uncropped, portrait), cuts away and then shows a zoomed/cropped version of the incident near enough identical to the Mercury clip (landscape) and then back to the original clip (portrait). Speaking of basic issues - if you were hoaxing this, why would you create 2 different versions of the same footage and release them both? Best case that's wasted effort, worst case you get rumbled in 5 minutes.. 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Surely they should have gone back to interview them in more detail by now. Why? What more information can they give that the video and search efforts haven't already? Honestly 5 hours is more than enough when you consider how little the driver would have seen or had time to process. 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: And why doesn't the source offer the original footage via Youtube. No-one *has* to do that, but there seems to be no way to investigate further. And it's a rather important question - did this actually happen, or have these guys wasted thousands of dollars in search activities by the authorities, just for a hoax? No idea, maybe they did. The problem with the internet is there's already thousands of variations of that video going around and who knows which are original and which have been edited. 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: It's what I'd do, as you would surely be watching to see if anyone managed to get out and to the surface. Again, it's not necessarily what everyone would think to do, but when you add all these things up..... I think the problem is we are looking at this through the lens of keyboard warriors investigating a mystery. I'm sure everyone is different but if I just witnessed someone crashing to their probable death I think the last think I would do is whip out my phone. If you put yourself in the shoes of either the witness or the first responders there would be no reason to vigorously document everything because they had no idea this would come under so much scrutiny. The witness was probably in shock and to the cops this was just a routine traffic accident. It's only in hindsight that the whole thing appears unusual. I'm sure they expected to get the whole think sorted in an afternoon. 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: Again, how much time has now elapsed .. and where's the follow up info? It's either identifiable or not, it doesn't take weeks... Well in fairness it depends when the debris washed up. But yeah I agree they seem to be dragging their feet. Then again, I think we might be the only people who still care about this! 16 hours ago, ChrLzs said: I will do this I think, maybe to more than one of the reporters so as to increase the chances... I'll be back later. Sounds good to me, I wish you luck. Fingers crossed you can do their job better than they can and get us some more details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted April 30, 2020 Author #68 Share Posted April 30, 2020 "Five months after a dark green Lexus SUV was caught on camera hurtling over a cliff south of Gray Whale Cove in San Mateo County, authorities have finally identified the person they believe who was behind the wheel of the vehicle. "The California Highway Patrol on Wednesday said the driver was San Francisco resident and UC Davis graduate Tracey Ivori Sinclair." Full monty at the Fort Bragg Advocate: https://www.advocate-news.com/2020/04/30/driver-identified-in-video-of-suv-sailing-off-highway-1-cliff/ 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted May 1, 2020 #69 Share Posted May 1, 2020 A sad result, but well-found, Eldorado. Funnily enough I revisited this one only just a few days back and found nothing new, after my earlier email went unanswered.. I do find the process puzzling, are Lexus SUV's (especially dark green?) commonplace in the US? Here they would be like hen's teeth, such that it would not be overly onerous to do some checks and even a ring around / letter to the owners of those vehicles in that region... And if her family lodged a missing person's report shortly after she vanished.. surely it would not take a rocket scientist to do a vehicle registration check and notice that something was adding up.. Anyway, I was wrong to lean so heavily towards hoax, and if they find this thread, my sincere condolences to her family and friends. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted May 2, 2020 #70 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Looks like a suicide death by car to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt221 Posted May 2, 2020 #71 Share Posted May 2, 2020 what a cunning stunt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolltide Posted May 7, 2020 #72 Share Posted May 7, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 11:28 PM, ChrLzs said: A sad result, but well-found, Eldorado. Funnily enough I revisited this one only just a few days back and found nothing new, after my earlier email went unanswered.. I do find the process puzzling, are Lexus SUV's (especially dark green?) commonplace in the US? Here they would be like hen's teeth, such that it would not be overly onerous to do some checks and even a ring around / letter to the owners of those vehicles in that region... And if her family lodged a missing person's report shortly after she vanished.. surely it would not take a rocket scientist to do a vehicle registration check and notice that something was adding up.. Anyway, I was wrong to lean so heavily towards hoax, and if they find this thread, my sincere condolences to her family and friends. It looks like a Lexus Rx 350 to me, which are a dime a dozen here in the Bay Area. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted May 9, 2020 #73 Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 7:20 PM, Eldorado said: Full monty at the Fort Bragg Advocate: https://www.advocate-news.com/2020/04/30/driver-identified-in-video-of-suv-sailing-off-highway-1-cliff/ Great find, thanks for sharing! It was getting pretty demoralising checking for updates and finding nothing so glad to see the case closed, just a shame there couldn't have been a happier ending. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted May 9, 2020 #74 Share Posted May 9, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 3:20 AM, Eldorado said: "Five months after a dark green Lexus SUV was caught on camera hurtling over a cliff south of Gray Whale Cove in San Mateo County, authorities have finally identified the person they believe who was behind the wheel of the vehicle. "The California Highway Patrol on Wednesday said the driver was San Francisco resident and UC Davis graduate Tracey Ivori Sinclair." Full monty at the Fort Bragg Advocate: https://www.advocate-news.com/2020/04/30/driver-identified-in-video-of-suv-sailing-off-highway-1-cliff/ Great job partner, even though it ended up like this. When I first saw the video I thought it was a stunt, I mean they sent divers in and searched the area and found nothing. Now they are finding human remains on a beach and drivers license, but still no vehicle. Its still a little strange, first how did the remains get out of the vehicle, and then how did they end up on a beach with a license. While I understand that the DNA from the remains were a match, there are still a lot of unanswered questions, at least for me. Peace Bro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie1990 Posted May 12, 2020 #75 Share Posted May 12, 2020 On 5/9/2020 at 10:17 AM, Manwon Lender said: Great job partner, even though it ended up like this. When I first saw the video I thought it was a stunt, I mean they sent divers in and searched the area and found nothing. Now they are finding human remains on a beach and drivers license, but still no vehicle. Its still a little strange, first how did the remains get out of the vehicle, and then how did they end up on a beach with a license. While I understand that the DNA from the remains were a match, there are still a lot of unanswered questions, at least for me. Peace Bro Not meaning to be too pedantic but the article states: - The remains were found AT Montara State Beach, not necessarily on the beach (although it's likely they washed ashore, this description would also cover the accident scene, cliffs and surrounding waters) - The article does not mention whether the car has been found or not (though likely not I would guess) As for how the remains made it to shore it's not hard to believe that either in the original accident or the following months of wave action there was sufficient damage to the car to allow a body to escape and be carried by the tide (especially as we dont know things like was she wearing a seatbelt, were the windows open etc.) There is also the remote chance that after entering the water she escaped the car but did not make it to shore, though I expect something would have been found sooner if that were the case And not wanting to be too morbid here but they state remains were found, not a body.. Not everything is a mystery, and other than the long wait for news I see nothing overly unusual here In fact, the article states the remains and license were found "over a period of several months". Combined with what @ChrLzs said about tracing the car it's very possible the authorities knew who the victim was a long time ago and just didnt want to make it public until they could track down family or something 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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