UK should consider referendum on the Royals

[stevewinn]

40 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

not familiar with Barry the Butler, but i'll be needing one of those i suppose. yeah believe it or not i could think of nothing better than hunting for old and rare antiques and books. I like the cold. but not to far from London. surely you have a bit of sob and posh in you too somewhere. Wouldn't you wanna be lord of some other mannor ? We can meet at the house of lords and look down at the hoi polloi. 

Would i like to be lord of the manor? Well unlike you i dont seek a lottery win. Because when i survey my "manor" and look around me, i have a lovely family. A house i love, a job i love doing. i ask am i already not a millionaire.

Good luck on your lottery.

 

[Unusual Tournament]

38 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

The politics of envy are very ugly. 

Is it envy or just trying to abolish a class and privilege system thats outta touch with modern Britain. Don't get me wrong, like i said earlier i like the royals for the UK. As an Australian i find them irrelevant for my country but for yours i can't quite imagine a UK without all the pomp and ceremony that the royal family provide. The UK would cease to exist, literally. I don't see England embracing Americanism like we in Oz are currently doing. You can't even stomach republican Europe. I guess things can change. But i wouldn't be worried about the monarchy being kicked out for a long time. 

Edited January 13, 2020 by Captain Risky

[Unusual Tournament]

11 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Would i like to be lord of the manor? Well unlike you i dont seek a lottery win. Because when i survey my "manor" and look around me, i have a lovely family. A house i love, a job i love doing. i ask am i already not a millionaire.

Good luck on your lottery.

 

Im happy for ya. But I'm not asking you to change anything about your life, just dream a little. 

[Duke Wellington]

24 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Even after their battering at the ballot box Labour is still on the wrong trai  heading in the wrong direction.

But let all the haters and get worked up. These people blame everyone else for their jot in life.

Yeah they are so delusional its funny.

[+joc]

On 1/11/2020 at 10:21 AM, acute said:

I won't lose any sleep if I never hear God Save The Queen again, and I bet Madge feels the same.

What would you rather have....a Constitutional Monarchy...or cold, hard, Communism?

Isn't it like extracting one of your vital organs?  How can the whole body survive without the Monarchy?  It is what you have always known.  Without it...I am inclined to believe....the people will slip into a fog of 'unknowing' and be swallowed up by Russia...as will most if not all of Europe.

[L.A.T.1961]

It looks like the Queen will be sleeping soundly in her bed tonight.  Lewis jumps before he is pushed - 

Clive Lewis pulls out of Labour leadership race under an hour before deadline.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/13/clive-lewis-pulls-labour-leadership-race-hour-deadline-12050269/?ito=newsnow-feed 

 

 

 

[spud the mackem]

6 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Even after their battering at the ballot box Labour is still on the wrong trai  heading in the wrong direction.

But let all the haters and get worked up. These people blame everyone else for their jot in life.

Its very sad that we have a Nazi Labour Party ,with people who are anti- everything that is good . 

[stevewinn]

18 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

Its very sad that we have a Nazi Labour Party ,with people who are anti- everything that is good . 

I cant believe their still heading in the wrong direction. Long-Bailey and Sir Keir Starmer seem the favourites, Bonkers.

We need a strong credible opposition in order to hold the government to account, but the people are going one way and the Labour party the other. the Tories aren't much better. playing catch up with their "there go the people, i will follow them for i am their leader"

[Space Commander Travis]

19 hours ago, joc said:

What would you rather have....a Constitutional Monarchy...or cold, hard, Communism?

Does that have to be the only two options? Is there no longer the optional of a constitutional republic, such as the United States has claimed to be?

[Space Commander Travis]

19 hours ago, joc said:

Without it...I am inclined to believe....the people will slip into a fog of 'unknowing' and be swallowed up by Russia...as will most if not all of Europe.

hmph? Putin is just waiting for the Monarchy to be disbanded, as that's the only thing preventing him from sending his panzer divisions sweeping across Europe?? Have we stepped into a particularly badly written episode of the latest series of Doctor Who and stepped into some sort of alternate timeline?

[Space Commander Travis]

14 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Its very sad that we have a Nazi Labour Party ,with people who are anti- everything that is good . 

Communists who are at the same time Nazis? I wish people would make their mind up with these ridiculous totalitarian memes. 

[+and-then]

On 1/11/2020 at 10:23 AM, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

You want to try this version. It sounds much better in German, More oompah.

 

My dad was a merchant marine sailor and traveled most of the world.  Once, when he was in London, he and another crew mate took a couple of English ladies to a movie and apparently at that time it was traditional in the opening for God Save the Queen to be played.  Me old Da drank a bit and was known for impatience while doing so.  During the song he made a rude comment to the effect of "F the Queen"  and one of the ladies was MORTIFIED and angry.  She told him that he "couldn't even approach her" 

[Habitat]

48 minutes ago, and then said:

My dad was a merchant marine sailor and traveled most of the world.  Once, when he was in London, he and another crew mate took a couple of English ladies to a movie and apparently at that time it was traditional in the opening for God Save the Queen to be played.  Me old Da drank a bit and was known for impatience while doing so.  During the song he made a rude comment to the effect of "F the Queen"  and one of the ladies was MORTIFIED and angry.  She told him that he "couldn't even approach her" 

I remember it well, and the audience would all stand.

[spud the mackem]

3 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Communists who are at the same time Nazis? I wish people would make their mind up with these ridiculous totalitarian memes. 

Nazi Communists mate.

[Farmer77]

1 minute ago, spud the mackem said:

Nazi Communists mate.

with what?

[+joc]

3 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Does that have to be the only two options? Is there no longer the optional of a constitutional republic, such as the United States has claimed to be?

The difference is in the 'constitution'.  Our constitution was written in such a way as to practically make it impossible for a Monarchy to re-establish itself.  Your constitution includes the monarchy.  Do you think you can actually extract or dissolve or any shape or manner remove the Monarchy from the constitution without serious and dire repercussions?

I'm just thinking out loud.  The Monarchy is the history of Britain...not the Parliament.  Without the Royals...the entire flavor, the entire 'psyche' of the nation is lost...and when a nation loses it's soul...it is ripe for whatever enemy it has to reap havoc upon it.

I say Russia...you say Putin.  Putin is NOT Russia.  Putin remains in power in Russia not at his pleasure...but at the pleasure of the politburo of which I'm sure you think no longer exists.

[Setton]

3 hours ago, and then said:

My dad was a merchant marine sailor and traveled most of the world.  Once, when he was in London, he and another crew mate took a couple of English ladies to a movie and apparently at that time it was traditional in the opening for God Save the Queen to be played.  Me old Da drank a bit and was known for impatience while doing so.  During the song he made a rude comment to the effect of "F the Queen"  and one of the ladies was MORTIFIED and angry.  She told him that he "couldn't even approach her" 

Good to see the delight that is the American tourist is not some recent phenomenon. 

[Setton]

56 minutes ago, joc said:

The difference is in the 'constitution'.  Our constitution was written in such a way as to practically make it impossible for a Monarchy to re-establish itself.  Your constitution includes the monarchy.  

It doesn't, because we haven't got one. 

[Eldorado]

The UK does not have a written constitution.

"The constitution is made up of common law, statute law and conventions, and may be changed by a simple act of parliament without any special procedure or majority."

https://thecommonwealth.org/our-member-countries/united-kingdom/constitution-politics

THE UK CONSTITUTION (2015)
A summary, with options for reform.
PDF at Parliament UK: https://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/political-and-constitutional-reform/The-UK-Constitution.pdf

"By this act, we create for ourselves a sovereign state, animated by many spirits, accountable to all. Conscious of the responsibility that we bear to future generations - and of their role in defending and regenerating this Constitution - we lay down maxims crafted to promote civic harmony, mutual tolerance, universal wellbeing, and social and political freedom."

Edited January 14, 2020 by Eldorado

[ethereal_scout]

Do we need one? There's something to be said for not having it written down - it'll never be wrong.

Edited January 14, 2020 by ethereal_scout

[Duke Wellington]

23 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Its very sad that we have a Nazi Labour Party ,with people who are anti- everything that is good . 

Inverted Nazis

[Duke Wellington]

22 hours ago, stevewinn said:

I cant believe their still heading in the wrong direction. Long-Bailey and Sir Keir Starmer seem the favourites, Bonkers.

We need a strong credible opposition in order to hold the government to account, but the people are going one way and the Labour party the other. the Tories aren't much better. playing catch up with their "there go the people, i will follow them for i am their leader"

Corbyn kicked out all that put the brakes on the insanity so that he could take the party further to the left in a weird and wonderful make believe fantasy.

Without a credible opposition I fear my Tories may go too far. Maybe not at the beginning, but they might slip into the same state of mind where they can no longer regulate themselves.

[Duke Wellington]

8 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Communists who are at the same time Nazis? I wish people would make their mind up with these ridiculous totalitarian memes. 

You talk about Communism and Nazism like they were bi-polar opposites when both were virtually identical to each other. Both were brands of socialism combined with nationalism but with the Germans they went further with their nationalism.

The problem with our Labour Party is that getting rid of the Monarchy is not about believing a Republic would lead to better representation of the people. As it is it would lead to worse. This is because the role of President is a political position rather than a Monarch who remains apolitical. The move is an attempt to lay the framework for a future socialist dictatorship.

Not content with trying to ram down the throats of the British people the policies they dont want (most notably mass immigration and remaining in the EU) they would move for a dictatorship to remove any method of redress or referendum. Its a classic far-left tactic, and because most of the population dont want far-left policies, then the only way to put them in place is by using force.

That force is what the USSR and North Korea are founded on. Marxism is deeply flawed and requires a solider to cart you off to the gulag if you speak out or resist.

[Setton]

2 hours ago, ethereal_scout said:

Do we need one? There's something to be said for not having it written down - it'll never be wrong.

It also leaves us free to evolve in an ever changing world. 

So we don't have to have our kids shot at school because of an old scrap of paper. 

[stevewinn]

2 hours ago, ethereal_scout said:

Do we need one? There's something to be said for not having it written down - it'll never be wrong.

Not having one was one of things which made Britain nimble on its feet in a ever changing world. sadly with the way parliament was acting and them not understanding the sense of history in not having a written constitution, we were fast approaching the need to have a written one. thankfully that has been avoided, and once again in this even faster changing world the UK can once again adapt to the future without constitutional reform and all the arguments, delay and inaction a written constitution brings.