Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 #1 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I'm looking for any work cited information on gemstone healing. Any sort of case studies that might shed some light on the benefits of using "alternative medicine". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 11, 2020 #2 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: I'm looking for any work cited information on gemstone healing. Any sort of case studies that might shed some light on the benefits of using "alternative medicine". Your not going to find it. Crystals are a "focusing tool" for the placebo effect. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crystal_healing 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #3 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, Piney said: Your not going to find it. Crystals are a "focusing tool" for the placebo effect. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crystal_healing You're quoting a wiki page....... Give some actual work cited against it. It's been regarded as placebo but nothing to real prove so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 11, 2020 #4 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: I'm looking for any work cited information on gemstone healing. Any sort of case studies that might shed some light on the benefits of using "alternative medicine". As in science and tec kind of work to promote crystal healing? Not much, though there have been a couple studies that seem to conclude placebo effect... https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20180116/can-crystals-heal-separating-facets-from-facts https://www.livescience.com/40347-crystal-healing.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #5 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, rashore said: As in science and tec kind of work to promote crystal healing? Not much, though there have been a couple studies that seem to conclude placebo effect... https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20180116/can-crystals-heal-separating-facets-from-facts https://www.livescience.com/40347-crystal-healing.html This isn't work cited or peer reviewed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #6 Share Posted January 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: I'm looking for any work cited information on gemstone healing. Any sort of case studies that might shed some light on the benefits of using "alternative medicine". Placebo effect. Nothing more and nothing less. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #7 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, XenoFish said: Placebo effect. Nothing more and nothing less. Thanks for your cited information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #8 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: You're quoting a wiki page....... Give some actual work cited against it. It's been regarded as placebo but nothing to real prove so. Why don't you give us studies that show it's not a placebo? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #9 Share Posted January 11, 2020 This should be moved to another section of the forum. It isn't science and the OP is apparently only wanting a fight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 11, 2020 #10 Share Posted January 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: You're quoting a wiki page....... Give some actual work cited against it. It's been regarded as placebo but nothing to real prove so. You have misunderstood. Everything proves towards it being a placebo effect. There is no proof they work OTHER than a placebo effect. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #11 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Just now, freetoroam said: You have misunderstood. Everything proves towards it being a placebo effect. There is no proof they work OTHER than a placebo effect. I found a couple articles from universities using wiki as a foundation for someones claim is ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #12 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Everything proves towards it being a placebo effect. Placebo are not super effective either. They can assist in recovery by triggering an immune response as well as feel good chemicals, but that's about it. People seem to think that some magical placebo will cause limbs to regrow, which is nonsense. https://www.health.harvard.edu/mental-health/the-power-of-the-placebo-effect Edited January 11, 2020 by XenoFish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 11, 2020 #13 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: This isn't work cited or peer reviewed Oh... cited and peer reviewed? Then there aren't any studies done to show crystal healing has any effect at all. All there is are the couple studies that you aren't willing to accept that show placebo effect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #14 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/crystal-healing/ Quote Finally, you may be surprised to learn that there was actually a study of crystal healing. In 2001 Chris French did a double blind study with 80 participants meditating with either a real quartz crystal or a fake glass crystal. There was a placebo effect where participants felt what they were primed to feel – a warmth or tingling sensation or a sense of well-being. But they were unable to tell the difference between the real or fake crystals, indicating a placebo effect only. Placebo effect, now who knows about the placebo effect. Here's a bonus link. https://www.painscience.com/articles/therapeutic-touch.php Edited January 11, 2020 by XenoFish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #15 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, rashore said: Oh... cited and peer reviewed? Then there aren't any studies done to show crystal healing has any effect at all. All there is are the couple studies that you aren't willing to accept that show placebo effect. Which/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 11, 2020 #16 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: I found a couple articles from universities using wiki as a foundation for someones claim is ridiculous Can you provide evidence that the crystals actually can heal other than by a placebo effect. Studies have been done and the results all lead to the same results = a placebo effect. Please show us a study which shows otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #17 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Can you provide evidence that the crystals actually can heal other than by a placebo effect. Studies have been done and the results all lead to the same results = a placebo effect. Please show us a study which shows otherwise. Which is what i'm asking for and present work cited info on the placebo case studies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 11, 2020 #18 Share Posted January 11, 2020 33 minutes ago, Fabula Omnium said: You're quoting a wiki page....... Give some actual work cited against it. It's been regarded as placebo but nothing to real prove so. How about the experience of being a multi-generational Shaman who's grandfather owned a shop which sold them, among other things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted January 11, 2020 #19 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Fabula Omnium said: Which is what i'm asking for and present work cited info on the placebo case studies Why would a medical research facility even waste the grant money? Certain crystals give off a slight amount of radiation and radon gas but not enough that can affect anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #20 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Google is your friend, use it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted January 11, 2020 #21 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Piney said: How about the experience of being a multi-generational Shaman who's grandfather owned a shop which sold them, among other things. People don't care about that. You know that as well as I do. They only want to hear what they want to hear it seems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabula Omnium Posted January 11, 2020 Author #22 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Google is your friend, use it. https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1283&context=honorstheses I found some others *snip* and the article you gave was a summary not the actual peer review clearly you dont know what that means Edited January 11, 2020 by rashore 3f, 5a 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted January 11, 2020 #23 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Well, if a study conducted by Goldsmiths College at the University of London and presented to British Psychological Society isn't good... An interesting study about belief in gemstone healing... not really about efficacy, but rather more about belief or not in efficacy. Knowledge, attitudes and practices regarding gemstone therapeutics in a selected adult population in Pakistan: https://bmccomplementmedtherapies.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6882-9-32 This one is a bit more about using gemstones, and it's placebo effect... Mystical stones in oncology: crystal healing power or perfect nonsense?: https://web.a.ebscohost.com/abstract?direct=true&profile=ehost&scope=site&authtype=crawler&jrnl=09462104&AN=49115546&h=Mwz6o%2fQsYfAtw%2bOaPydHCpgmtailwb7jUb9h5WR76uk45OHxEI3dpevjywZEB%2fcq%2bUzK8AYSqfQXU9RcQnyfEw%3d%3d&crl=c&resultNs=AdminWebAuth&resultLocal=ErrCrlNotAuth&crlhashurl=login.aspx%3fdirect%3dtrue%26profile%3dehost%26scope%3dsite%26authtype%3dcrawler%26jrnl%3d09462104%26AN%3d49115546 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted January 11, 2020 #24 Share Posted January 11, 2020 If gemstones would have healing effects, patents would have been issued for Big Pharma decades ago. But there were no related patents.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted January 11, 2020 #25 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) BTW: Quote Dark crystals: the brutal reality behind a booming wellness craze Demand for ‘healing’ crystals is soaring – but many are mined in deadly conditions in one of the world’s poorest countries. And there is little evidence that this billion-dollar industry is cleaning up its act. (...) Landslides are not the only danger for miners. Smashed rocks create fine dust and quartz particles can penetrate deep into the lungs. There, they fester, inflaming surrounding cells, increasing the risk of lung cancer and silicosis. Child labour is also widespread: the US Department of Labor and the International Labour Organization estimate that about 85,000 children work in Madagascar’s mines. The Guardian Edited January 11, 2020 by toast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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