The Bible is an atrological record (Decoded!)

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, Crikey said:

Were the Three Wise Men astrologers? And what was the star of Bethlehem?

Zoroastrian Priests added to the story as a "nut shot" to the Jews......

.......and the Star of Bethlehem was also invented. If it wasn't it would of been recorded by the Persians, Greco-Asians and Chinese. 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Piney
Jesus is fiction

[Herbert Sanders]

29 minutes ago, Crikey said:

 

Were the Three Wise Men astrologers? And what was the star of Bethlehem?

To me the star in the east is always the sun.

Gold, myrrh, frankincense belong to Jupiter, Venus, Mercury respectively (you can google their connection). Virgo by then is also the house of bread. And so we look at a harvest sun in 1 bc (0).

Right before the ultimate jewish new year (sep 1 bc) going into pisces.

jesus his story is also his death with the soldier at the cave and magdalene present. The story then is repeated and expanded over several dates. So it is possible to have multiple births and deaths. Like a flashback in a story.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Kenemet]

1 hour ago, Mark Sanders said:

I would date Joseph about 1703 BC(tentative), Exodus 1448 BC. Before the Amarna heresy. And well before the bronze age collapse 12th century BC, that is the time of Judges.

Hour would not make a difference. You start by year, then you read the bible carefully and change the frequency to fit the signal so to speak.

You aren't a professional astrologer, then, I take it?

Hour and longitude and latitude are VERY important.

You can, of course, create your own timeline, however to be acceptable it has to tie in with archaeological findings.

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It is my conviction that every civilization collapses due to the flooding of liquidity, an economic problem. Money and wealth gets churned as liquidity preceeds economic growth, while low inflation itself is the only way to make commerce work. And then the economy halts after its lifecycle has transpired, dead stop. Society has nowhere else to expand and cannot sustain any more financial growth. Orders stop, logistics stop, famine. Now you are in a sellers market, prizes depreciate fast, liquity flushes down, good for wall paper. What to eat?

This is really kind of simplistic and doesn't cover the collapse of pre-monetary system civilizations (there were quite a few.)  And price depreciation certainly doeesn't explain the collapse of Egypt or Rome (or Greece, for that matter.. or Sparta...etc)

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Run for the hills, start over. The Bronze Age Collapse to me is such an event same for Rome and we might be heading towards the mother of all liquidity bubbles. But this has nothing to do with waterfloods or the stars, and it is a different subject all together and may or may not coincide with whatever archeologists have found out.

Alternative historians have also noted a vast global trading network in copper and tin reaching as far as britton and the americas. Image what happens if things just stop... you might get some angry sea people knocking at the door. But this is conjecture on my part.

Yes, regular historians know all about that network (the alternative historians picked it up from them...but only parts of it and don't keep abreast of the more recent findings.)  And I don't think you have a good grasp on other factors that cause collapse (such as invasion, drought, plague, population decline, etc, etc.)  You are looking at a single factor as causing a lot of things when this is not actually true.

 

[Herbert Sanders]

5 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

You aren't a professional astrologer, then, I take it?

Hour and longitude and latitude are VERY important.

You can, of course, create your own timeline, however to be acceptable it has to tie in with archaeological findings.

This is really kind of simplistic and doesn't cover the collapse of pre-monetary system civilizations (there were quite a few.)  And price depreciation certainly doeesn't explain the collapse of Egypt or Rome (or Greece, for that matter.. or Sparta...etc)

Yes, regular historians know all about that network (the alternative historians picked it up from them...but only parts of it and don't keep abreast of the more recent findings.)  And I don't think you have a good grasp on other factors that cause collapse (such as invasion, drought, plague, population decline, etc, etc.)  You are looking at a single factor as causing a lot of things when this is not actually true.

 

You are still confusing celestial matters for earthly. Archeology has no place in this discussion. Read.

You can bring many factors into the discussion but it serves nothing if you dont actually confirm yourself.

What i think(conjecture), i do not use as a point in an argument considering collapses, you are simply abusing my words to address nothing really. Let me rephrase that. Collapses arent the topic of discussion and was an unrelated remark 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Mark Sanders said:

Alternative historians have also noted a vast global trading network in copper and tin reaching as far as britton and the americas.

Nope. Liars who suffer from academic laziness noted this. The "Columbian Exchange" negates any heavy contact with the Americas prior to 1492. 

Edited January 20, 2020 by Piney
The Bible is poop

[Herbert Sanders]

Just now, Piney said:

Nope. Liars who suffer from Academic laziness noted this. The "Columbian Exchange" negates any heavy contact with the Americas prior to 1492. 

Does it matter? It is off topic

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Mark Sanders said:

Does it matter? It is off topic

You brought it up. I was just correcting misinformation. 

 

[Herbert Sanders]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

You brought it up. I was just correcting misinformation. 

 

Cool, np.

[Crikey]

26 minutes ago, Piney said:

.....and the Star of Bethlehem was also invented. If it wasn't it would of been recorded by the Persians, Greco-Asians and Chinese. 

 

Perhaps they DID look up at the odd goings-on in the night sky and record it in ancient scrolls which haven't been unearthed yet, containing a line which translates as- "There's some crazy s***t going on up there."

Edited January 20, 2020 by Crikey

[Herbert Sanders]

6 minutes ago, Crikey said:

 

Perhaps they DID look up at the odd goings-on in the night sky and record it in ancient scrolls which haven't been unearthed yet, containing a line which translates as- "There's some crazy **** going on up there."

Note also that Aug 31 is the only successive 31st date in the calendar started by Julius. The term August is a title. IMO a great sync took place, but that is me.

A calendar for all with a clear starting point. And untouchable, no weird 5 day additions for politics etc. Or moving limits for months dictated by priests.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Trelane]

12 hours ago, Mark Sanders said:

There is rationale but it is outside the scope of this topic. The first goal is to simply concretize a technique, once established we can speculate. I do not have all the answers, my guess is as good as any.

Dunno about the cycle. Their literature is full of 12's and 7's. Twelve tribes, 7 lights. I will leave it up to you.

(The rationale is the subject of their religion of course)

Sooooo, it's all made up then?

[Herbert Sanders]

2 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Sooooo, it's all made up then?

Yes. They made up a story parallel to the planetary movement. But within the story they have woven their cosmology.

[Trelane]

3 minutes ago, Mark Sanders said:

Yes. They made up a story parallel to the planetary movement. But within the story they have woven their cosmology.

Ok, I've read enough here.

Bravo Six, going dark.....

Edited January 20, 2020 by Trelane

[Duke Wellington]

On 1/18/2020 at 5:45 PM, Mark Sanders said:

Hello all (TWIMC),

A few weeks ago I stumbled upon the key to unlocking all the main stories in the Torah, which is the basis of all Abrahamic traditions. They are astrological records, meaning that with the story and its context an exact date can be determined.

I have taken my time to comb through the Old Testament and uncode the stories as much as time allows me to do. I placed them on twitter for record keeping and to flaunt them in my enthusiasm. But of course the regular crowd has no basic understanding of astrology and so it appears that I'm wasting pearls to swine. I hope that astrologers have not been turned off by scripture as it seems that scipture has become the subject of taboo. Even if scripture was taken from astrology and has not lost its potency (how can it, can we change the stars?).

What I am sharing here will be a record of the dates that I have confirmed through astrology. I will leave it to others to peer-review them, if you are interested *snip*  as I will expand the number of entries. If you are able to uncover dates yourself then it would be great to discuss your findings here 

Example:
The Sons of Noah

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

Antediluvian

Adam and Eve's fall into sin - Aug 2, 3899 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217527691039199236
The Hebrew Flood (I'm a bit sceptical about this one but ill run with it) - Oct 13, 2243 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1216478791452721153

Postdiluvian

The curse of Canaan - Sep 12, 2058 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217065054274838530

The life of Abraham

The Birth of Abraham - Feb 10, 1953 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1216712295503540230
The conception of Ishmael - Oct 25, 1868 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218486663149772800
Mistreatment of Hagar - Dec 1, 1868 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218486953345191936
Hagar submits to Sarah - Nov 5, 1867 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218490474320793600
Circumcision of Isaac - Jun 19, 1853 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1216829929259782144
Ishmael mocking Isaac - Nov 19, 1848 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217016367502757890
The treaty at Beersheba - Nov 1, 1841 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217392545312972801
Abraham tries to sacrafice Isaac - Mar 1, 1832 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217463857066782723
Abraham's seed is blessed - Mar 31, 1832 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217572497027190785
Death of Sarah - Jan 9, 1816 - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217772602317512704
Purchase of the cave for a tomb - Aug 14, 1816 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1217845973701013505
The servant's oath to Abraham - 30 Nov, 1814 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218122619830054912
Laban rushes out to the servant - 20 Nov, 1813 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218147346640449537
Rebecca meets Isaac - Dec 3, 1813 - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218231290668908545
Isaac prays for Rebecca - Sep 20, 1794 - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218581705403129862
Birth of Jacob and Esau - Dec 29, 1794 - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218584233410727936
Esau sells his birth right - Apr 10 , 1793 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218585479509106689
Death of Abraham - Mar 25, 1778 BC - https://twitter.com/hmlsanders/status/1218516049093701632

     Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. ― Genesis 25:7

There are key elements to watch for in eacht story based on planet and sign:

Saturn - God the Father or patriarch
Jupiter - God the Son, an oath taker or righteous king
Mars - Antagonist (Not necessarily a man)
Moon - Righteous wife (proven)
Venus - Cultural woman (untested)
Mercury - Protagonist
Sun - Clothing, or background scenery

Aries -
Taurus -
Gemini -
Cancer - Tents
Leo - Progeny
Virgo - Womb
Libra - Judgement
Scorpio - Water well
Sagittarius -
Capricorn - House of Terah
Aquarius -
Pisces - Desert or a cave

The bible allows us to go back to the beginning, reconsider for example the middle ages, judge our times and help in future prophecy.

I believe that it is time to reconnect the fields of science, astrology and religion when it comes to the subject of astro-theology. My aim is thus to proof that such a connection not only exists (as I have demonstrated here) but that it still holds vast amounts of wisdom that can be taken for more than face value.

If you have questions feel free to ask, and if you think you are able to help please do not refrain to lend a hand.
 
Kind regards,
 
 
Mark

The Bible is not an original work, it is the same material going all the way back to Egyptian Sun God worship. All that happened as the ages past were the latest prophets and religious figures got transposed over the last lot. The Bible is full to the brim of astrology.

[Herbert Sanders]

50 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said:

The Bible is not an original work, it is the same material going all the way back to Egyptian Sun God worship. All that happened as the ages past were the latest prophets and religious figures got transposed over the last lot. The Bible is full to the brim of astrology.

Partially correct(black sun would be better) and as with any digital signal it can be restored. No static. If i were to write the OT and NT today with the given dates. The story would be different but the dates the same.

But why would I? Perhaps it is simply an archaic tool or system to sync timekeeping between a specific group of people.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Swede]

2 hours ago, Mark Sanders said:

But why would I? Perhaps it is simply an archaic tool or system to sync timekeeping between a specific group of people.

Or a personal and contrived delusion.

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[Kenemet]

3 hours ago, Mark Sanders said:

You are still confusing celestial matters for earthly. Archeology has no place in this discussion. Read.

You can bring many factors into the discussion but it serves nothing if you dont actually confirm yourself.

What i think(conjecture), i do not use as a point in an argument considering collapses, you are simply abusing my words to address nothing really. Let me rephrase that. Collapses arent the topic of discussion and was an unrelated remark 

Frankly, none of what you're doing is astrological, and the charts you're showing really don't match what you're saying.  Your first chart shows a strong trine between the Moon and Mercury and Venus, indicating clarity of understanding and positive creative environmental situations.plus the ability to make emotional connections.  Moon in Taurus indicates practicality and devotion - you've placed it in the 10th house is all about profession and career (following in father's footsteps)

...etcetera.  I don't have access to my books right now, but what you've written certainly isn't astrological.

[Herbert Sanders]

15 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Frankly, none of what you're doing is astrological, and the charts you're showing really don't match what you're saying.  Your first chart shows a strong trine between the Moon and Mercury and Venus, indicating clarity of understanding and positive creative environmental situations.plus the ability to make emotional connections.  Moon in Taurus indicates practicality and devotion - you've placed it in the 10th house is all about profession and career (following in father's footsteps)

...etcetera.  I don't have access to my books right now, but what you've written certainly isn't astrological.

Your definition of astrology is restricted to what you know about astrology today, let it go for this discussion. Don't focus on aspects but on the story that is written in combination to the story as it appears in the sky. A child could see.

But you must open the pages of the bible, it is about exegesis and not clever calculation.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Herbert Sanders]

10 minutes ago, Swede said:

Or a personal and contrived delusion.

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If i were to write it? For sure 

im just an observer, taking note.

[Herbert Sanders]

2 hours ago, Kenemet said:

Frankly, none of what you're doing is astrological, and the charts you're showing really don't match what you're saying.  Your first chart shows a strong trine between the Moon and Mercury and Venus, indicating clarity of understanding and positive creative environmental situations.plus the ability to make emotional connections.  Moon in Taurus indicates practicality and devotion - you've placed it in the 10th house is all about profession and career (following in father's footsteps)

...etcetera.  I don't have access to my books right now, but what you've written certainly isn't astrological.

That chart is the third chart I have posted in the list (did you check them?).

What you see is Mars (Ham) conjunct Saturn (Noah) in what we would call the tropical house of Cancer (his tent). Therefore it was said Ham saw his father naked.

Noah was drunk and so we know the Sun was in ermm elul...Virgo. and Ham told his brothers Japeth(Venus) and Shem(Mercury). Who went backwards(retrograde) into their father's tent. They took with them a cloth as they were clothed in the morning light of the Sun. -2058 BC

Read and try to understand how their line of reasoning was, instead of enforcing your own.

Nah lets focus on trines, squares, sextiles and things that can't be seen from earth. Another bike rider...

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Alternatively, Noah ate a nice ham sandwich in his Yurt. Same “facts” different story.

[Herbert Sanders]

32 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Alternatively, Noah ate a nice ham sandwich in his Yurt. Same “facts” different story.

Show me the chart, point it out...

Same facts would have been Noah fought(unless Mars is for eating, and this is debatable ) over a nice ham sandwich in his Yurt. Nice try though.

Also why the obsession with facts? This is not about real history but about stories presented within a contextual framework. A peculier language.

A single sandwich vs long standing stradition spanning literally thousands of years, or post computed. Still impressive.

A single snapshot from the sky might not be impressive but that is not the point. Try finding a duplicate, much like a hash output chances are slim.

So generic sky plus description  becomes scripture. This in itself is not amazing. Doing in consistently over more than a thousand years might be considered insane but not amazing.

Yet the information can be retreived both ways, and a duplicate is hard to find. If you can find me a duplicate sky that would be amazing.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mark Sanders

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Alternatively, Noah ate a nice ham sandwich in his Yurt. Same “facts” different story.

Noah was Turkic-Mongolian? 

[Kenemet]

55 minutes ago, Mark Sanders said:

That chart is the third chart I have posted in the list (did you check them?).

What you see is Mars (Ham) conjunct Saturn (Noah) in what we would call the tropical house of Cancer (his tent). Therefore it was said Ham saw his father naked.

Noah was drunk and so we know the Sun was in ermm elul...Virgo. and Ham told his brothers Japeth(Venus) and Shem(Mercury). Who went backwards(retrograde) into their father's tent. They took with them a cloth as they were clothed in the morning light of the Sun. -2058 BC

Read and try to understand how their line of reasoning was, instead of enforcing your own.

Nah lets focus on trines, squares, sextiles and things that can't be seen from earth. Another bike rider...

Yes, I saw the chart.  I was a professional astrologer.  None of what you posted is anything in the field of astrology. Trines and squares (which, by the way, are in the very chart that you posted!0 are indeed important.  Astrology as a science isn't 'whatever we make up" about something.  There's rules and relationships.  And drunkenness isn't the province of Virgo.

If you want to invent your own thing, that's totally cool.. but it's certainly not astrology.

And if you're trying to say they were telling stories about the stars... let me point out that Mars and Saturn were in the daytime sky on the date you mentioned and couldn't be seen at night (so they'd have no idea which sign they were in.  And Mercury's too close to the Sun on that date to actually be seen (its light is lost in the glare.)  It's there... but you can't see it in the daytime sky.  Venus would be seen in the morning but not later in the evening.

So when they looked up at the sky, they'd have seen half the zodiac (of course) plus the Moon and Saturn... as it shows in the chart you posted (along with the astrological relationships that you're ignoring)

And "tropical" in astrology doesn't mean what you're apparently thinking it means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_and_tropical_astrology

Edited January 21, 2020 by Kenemet

[Herbert Sanders]

10 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

Yes, I saw the chart.  I was a professional astrologer.  None of what you posted is anything in the field of astrology. Trines and squares (which, by the way, are in the very chart that you posted!0 are indeed important.  Astrology as a science isn't 'whatever we make up" about something.  There's rules and relationships.  And drunkenness isn't the province of Virgo.

If you want to invent your own thing, that's totally cool.. but it's certainly not astrology.

And if you're trying to say they were telling stories about the stars... let me point out that Mars and Saturn were in the daytime sky on the date you mentioned and couldn't be seen at night (so they'd have no idea which sign they were in.  And Mercury's too close to the Sun on that date to actually be seen (its light is lost in the glare.)  It's there... but you can't see it in the daytime sky.  Venus would be seen in the morning but not later in the evening.

So when they looked up at the sky, they'd have seen half the zodiac (of course) plus the Moon and Saturn... as it shows in the chart you posted (along with the astrological relationships that you're ignoring)

You are fixated on your profession i get that. But if someone speaks a different language but studies the same objects is he not trying to understand -logy the object of his study astro?

If it is day on that chart (which is possible i wasnt as anal about it). Then just add or subtract a few hours. Paint with a broader brush.

Again go by the story first, then look at the skies. And look at all the other stories, see the consistency, once you do dive in it is hard to ignore. As an astrologer you should be well equipped, so take the wheel and try it.

Edited January 21, 2020 by Mark Sanders