4 American Institutions

[Uncle Sam]

Why the Push to Tear down America's Institutions?
One thing I have notice since the start of 2016 elections, Democrats have called for the abolishment of many American institutions that gotten in their way. This is a habit that has formed by them and if we allowed them to have their way, my nation wouldn't be my nation anymore and we would be under a dictatorship. A lot of these institutions insure that each state has representation (Electoral College), that the constitution is interpreted correctly (The Supreme Court), any illegal immigrants caught within our borders isn't allowed to subvert our sovereignty (ICE), and provide balance to our government by checking the president as well as the house (Senate.) 4 important institutions are increasingly coming under attack by the Democrats who in their desire to win, are tearing our nation apart piece by piece. If the house were Republican and stood against the Democrats, they would be calling for it to be abolished as well. Democrats have become the party of white towery elites, wannabe nobiles, extremists, and mini-dictators who want to put their boot to the neck of the citizens as they struggle to survive.

*Each hyperlink leads to informational website or article.

#1. Abolishing Ice
Let's start out with the least damaging abolishment they are talking about. They want to remove ICE who keeps illegal immigration in check within our nation while the CBP take care of the border. Without ICE to keep the immigrants from committing voter fraud within our nation in check , they may commit voter fraud without any fear of authority cracking down on them and subvert our sovereignty by providing states with more seats in the senate for the cities that they flock too. Look at what happen to Virginia which subverted 90% of the state by packing all the illegal immigrants into the city to vote which handed the Democrats full control over the state full of Republican citizens which their governor (Ralph Northam) then pushed a highly unconstitutional gun grab funded by millions from Mike Bloomberg. This has lead to the state being on the verge of open civil war between the citizens and the government. What the Democrats are doing is undermining citizen nationwide their ability to determine the direction of their nation and putting it directly in their hands which would make them more like nobles than representatives. This lays all the power at the feet of the Democrats who control the major urban centers that make up 3% of this nation's total landmass while the rest is rural area, this means that 3% would be controlling what the 97% can or can't do. The impact illegal immigrants have on nation isn't just economic impact alone like so many left wing pundits have argued, it has a real impact on the direction our nation is heading.

List of Democrats Calling for Abolishment of ICE

List of Virginia 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Counties

Virginia On Verge of Civil War

#2. The Senate
All because the Republicans control the Senate which keeps congress in check, the democrats now want to abolish the senate because it is in their way. This isn't the way we suppose to govern at all. If the Senate was abolish, there would be no check on the congress's powers which allows Democrats to do what they so wish. Not only would this destroy the fragile balance we rely on to keep the government in check, but it would also allow the government to gain unlimited amount of power because a vital function of our check and balance was abolish. In their mad dash to remove this president, nothing will be left of our nation that we could recognize, we would be under the boot of dictators who want gulags and prison camps for anyone that opposes their ideals.

Why Abolishing Senate a Horrible Idea

Their Argument to Abolish the Senate

#3. The Electoral College
Now this one is a dosy. The electoral college ensures that the rural states would be able to have equal representation with the Urban states. Like I stated before, Urban population centers make up 3% of the total landmass but contains massive numbers of voters which can easily ensure total victory to anyone control them through popular vote. By removing the electoral college, the urban elites will nullify the citizen's votes within 97% of the total landmass of this nation thus putting all the power and prestige in the urban centers. Why should the president candidates ever visit any rural state ever again? This also removes the rural states ability to control their own inner workings, thus leading to Urban centers dictating everything rural states can do within their own state. The city needs water, let's transfer it to the city away from the farmers who feed this nation. Oh the rural states needs funds to maintain their crumbling infrastructure, too bad, the urban centers need it more. You want to keep your guns to defend your own homes because cops are more than 30 minutes away, too bad, we don't want you to own guns because our problems are more important.

List of Democrats Who Want to Remove the Electoral College

#4. The Supreme Court
What is the supreme court for? The supreme court is designed to bring any constitutional or unconstitutional case before them to ensure that the constitution is being abided by. By abolishing the supreme court, there is no check on states or government that want to infringe upon the rights of the citizen which means the constitution would practically be useless. Now why would they want to do this? Is it to ensure that they will always be in power? Is it to ensure that the laws that they enacted can't be challenged by the supreme court which almost half the laws they propose does violate the constitution in some way or measure. Democrats were very sneaky about their wording till the 2016 election where they dropped the act and started to demand people's rights were stripped from them because I quote, "They are ignorant and do not know how to take care of themselves."

Their Argument to Abolish the Supreme Court

This is why I come to conclusion that the Democrats do no care for our nation or do they want to protect the citizens of this nation. In their bid for power and to tear down the obstacle that is Trump, they are willing to do whatever it takes to get what they want. They will say, do, or even advocate for anything to be leaders of this nation. Enough is enough. Democrats need to grow up or they will push too far and the citizens will fight back hard.

Edited January 19, 2020 by Uncle Sam

[Space Commander Travis]

1 hour ago, Uncle Sam said:

They want to remove ICE who keeps illegal immigration in check

That's being generous. It doesn't seem terribly effective at doing its job, although I suppose it is a pretty impossible one. And if it does try to, it's accused of acting like the Gestapo by wrenching children from their parents and incarcerating them in internment camps, so what's a bureaucracy to do? 

[Habitat]

Corporate interests have utterly eclipsed the "old" institutions, it is going to be a long, hard, grass-roots road back to unwind things to where your vote counts for much. At the moment the choice is between Tweedledee and Tweedledum. That is where complacency gets you.

[Setton]

Probably because those institutions are increasingly not serving the purpose for which they were created. 

[Farmer77]

6 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

All because the Republicans control the Senate which keeps congress in check, the democrats now want to abolish the senate because it is in their way

So have you guys just reached the point where there is no longer truth? That facts don't matter qs long as it makes the Dems look bad and the dear leader look good?

Holy hell individuals having an idea does not mean "democrats" want to abolish the senate. By that metric "Republicans" want to ban all non white people. Of course that's not what the majority of Republicans think so it would be wholly dishonest to claim "Republicans" want that. 

Just like what you're doing here. 

[Gromdor]

ICE is considered an institution now?  It's only been around for 17yrs or so.

[+Desertrat56]

@Uncle Sam I could understand people wanting to get rid of or restructuring ICE, all the state and county agencies hate having to deal with ICE.  But I have never heard of anyone wanting to abolish the Senate or the Supreme Court.  What we want for those is proper representation.  And maybe Trump and his handlers are trying to take out the Suupreme Court by appointing reprobates that have not business being judges much less Supreme Court Judges.

Ad for the electoral college, we need to fix the corrupt voting system, then the electoral college will work as it should. And that will fix the problems with the Senate and the Congress.  (why didn't you mention congress, by the way?)

 

 

 

 

[Vorg]

When cities know they have an illegal alien felon and turn them loose knowing some have committed violent crimes, why isn't that Mayor Federally charged with aiding and abetting?  Vetting for crimes is one reason we have an immigration Policy. 

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

Currently, a fight is brewing between California Open Borders politicians and the state’s Democratic controlled Legislature and the Department of Justice regarding the protection of violent criminal illegal immigrants. 

Hardly any Californian’s know that in 2014, Gov. Brown signed a bill that amended a state statute amending the maximum sentencing for misdemeanor crimes by one day from 365 to 364 days in jail. This was deliberately done to avoid current federal laws that provide for the deportation of illegal and legal immigrants in this country who have received sentences of 365 days or more. 

 

According to research and statistics by the U.S. Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, U.S. taxpayers are footing an annual bill of nearly $19 million a day to house and care for an estimated 300,000 to 450,000 convicted criminal immigrants who are eligible for deportation and are currently residing in local jails and state and federal prisons across the country. 

These figures include not only those immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally, but all immigrants here who commit and have been convicted of crimes. Other accounting estimates indicate that the total cost for all corrections, medical and support services for adults and juvenile immigrant criminals nationally to be over $1.8 billion dollars.

 

How can anyone in their "right" mind defend violent illegal aliens, and the cities who protect them? There are many dead people in this country killed by those who had no right to be here anyway.

[Doug1029]

Tearing down the Electoral College?  Every time somebody loses an election because of the Electoral College, they want to abolish it.  This time, it's the Democrats.  Next time it may well be the Republicans.  So far, nobody has succeeded.  Whichever party won the election wants to hang on to its advantage it uses the majority given it by the Electoral College to keep the other party from removing it.  I thin abolishing it would be a good idea and move this country toward democracy, but I don't see it happening.

Abolish the Supreme Court?  It's the only thing holding Trump in check.  Why would they want to abolish it?  I think your source is just making up BS with this one.  If the Dems are unhappy with Trump's judges, they first have to take back the Senate and it would help if they had the White House, too.  Then they can impeach judges who have actually committed a crime, or who were marginally fit to begin with (Lying to Congress is a crime.).  if that doesn't get the job done, then there's court packing.  We already are among the world's smallest judiciaries and it is falling behind in its work.  We actually need more Supreme Court judges.

Abolish ICE?  That's retrbution for their mistreatment of families and children and for disobeying immigration law.  Essential functions would be turned over to other agencies, like the FBI and ICE's bloated bureaucracy would be fired.  We need to stream-line the govt anyway and this is a good place to start.

Abolish the Senate?  In your dreams.  Even lefties like me prefer to keep it around for its checks and balance function.  That that is inconvenient right now is just a pricew we have to pay.

Doug

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, South Alabam said:

When cities know they have an illegal alien felon and turn them loose knowing some have committed violent crimes, why isn't that Mayor Federally charged with aiding and abetting?  Vetting for crimes is one reason we have an immigration Policy. 

Can you give an example of this happening?  Convicted felons are jailed whether they are legal or illegal. 

At least in the states of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.  In Texas if an illegal immigrant who has a job commits a crime they are jailed and once convicted may or may not be given probation.  The way it is set up, the state makes more money from a benign criminal being on probation than sending them back.  The reasoning is they will not want to be sent back so they pay their fines and always make their meetings with the probation officer (I have a friend who is a probation officer for Dallas County.  He speaks fluent spanish so he gets these people).  They work, they pay taxes, they show up when required and they stay out of trouble after one conviction.  My friend says he prefers those people to the natural born reprobates that  have to be hunted down and put back in jail because they don't have anything else to loose.

[Doug1029]

There is a huge amount of right-wing claptrap on these forums.  The posts do not accurately reflect the thinking of the left.  Things like wanting to abolish the Senate and Supreme Court are so far out there as to be completely absurd.  Can "Uncle Sam" cite ANY left-wing publication that proposes these things?  I know the right-wing CLAIMS the left does, but they have a distinct shortage of evidence to support their nutty ideas.

Doug

[Vorg]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Can you give an example of this happening?  Convicted felons are jailed whether they are legal or illegal. 

At least in the states of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona.  In Texas if an illegal immigrant who has a job commits a crime they are jailed and once convicted may or may not be given probation.  The way it is set up, the state makes more money from a benign criminal being on probation than sending them back.  The reasoning is they will not want to be sent back so they pay their fines and always make their meetings with the probation officer (I have a friend who is a probation officer for Dallas County.  He speaks fluent spanish so he gets these people).  They work, they pay taxes, they show up when required and they stay out of trouble after one conviction.  My friend says he prefers those people to the natural born reprobates that  have to be hunted down and put back in jail because they don't have anything else to loose.

https://www.uspoliticsandnews.com/it-begins-sanctuary-judge-indicted-for-aiding-abetting-illegal-alien-crook/

Judge Shelley M. Richmond Joseph and a Court Officer were arrested and charged with multiple federal counts for helping with the escape of an illegal alien fugitive in Massachusetts. The Trump Department of Justice locked her up.

We’ve seen other Sanctuary City officials brazenly thwart federal law by refusing to cooperate with ICE. Oakland Mayor Libby Shaaf sent out a warning to the community that ICE was going to be conducting raids; she alerted them, so they could stay home from work and avoid being deported.

But Judge Joseph’s actions in the courtroom are one of the most outrageous stories to emerge in recent months.

Oscar Peguero is an illegal alien from Dominican Republic. He’s been deported twice previously. In April of 2018, he was in Judge Joseph’s Massachusetts courtroom to face charges of drug dealing and identity theft (he was going by the name of Jose Medina-Perez, some person whose identity he had stolen). Peguero is also wanted under a drunk-driving warrant from Pennsylvania.

Under the Immigration & Nationality Act, when any immigrant – legal or illegal – commits any “crimes of moral turpitude,” it is automatic grounds for deportation. This is a sane and reasonable law, of course.

 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/criminal-aliens-set-free-californias-radical-agenda-resistance-federal-law/

 

 

There are more examples to be found in the above link.

Edited January 20, 2020 by South Alabam

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

https://www.uspoliticsandnews.com/it-begins-sanctuary-judge-indicted-for-aiding-abetting-illegal-alien-crook/

Judge Shelley M. Richmond Joseph and a Court Officer were arrested and charged with multiple federal counts for helping with the escape of an illegal alien fugitive in Massachusetts. The Trump Department of Justice locked her up.

We’ve seen other Sanctuary City officials brazenly thwart federal law by refusing to cooperate with ICE. Oakland Mayor Libby Shaaf sent out a warning to the community that ICE was going to be conducting raids; she alerted them, so they could stay home from work and avoid being deported.

But Judge Joseph’s actions in the courtroom are one of the most outrageous stories to emerge in recent months.

Oscar Peguero is an illegal alien from Dominican Republic. He’s been deported twice previously. In April of 2018, he was in Judge Joseph’s Massachusetts courtroom to face charges of drug dealing and identity theft (he was going by the name of Jose Medina-Perez, some person whose identity he had stolen). Peguero is also wanted under a drunk-driving warrant from Pennsylvania.

Under the Immigration & Nationality Act, when any immigrant – legal or illegal – commits any “crimes of moral turpitude,” it is automatic grounds for deportation. This is a sane and reasonable law, of course.

 

There are more examples to be found, look them up yourself.

OK.  I didn't know there were any sanctuary cities east of the Missisppi.  And that is different that refusing to cooperate with ICE.  If you knew how much it costs a county facility to cooperate with ICE you would understand why they don't unless absolutely necessary.  ICE will leave prisoners for long periods of time and drag their feet on paying the cost of keeping them.  That is just one problem with ICE, there are many more.