Popular Post spartan max2 Posted January 20, 2020 Popular Post #1 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Quote A newly-discovered part of our immune system could be harnessed to treat all cancers, say scientists. The Cardiff University team discovered a method of killing prostate, breast, lung and other cancers in lab tests. The findings, published in Nature Immunology , have not been tested in patients, but the researchers say they have "enormous potential". Experts said that although the work was still at an early stage, it was very exciting. What have they found? Our immune system is our body's natural defence against infection, but it also attacks cancerous cells. The scientists were looking for "unconventional" and previously undiscovered ways the immune system naturally attacks tumours. What they found was a T-cell inside people's blood. This is an immune cell that can scan the body to assess whether there is a threat that needs to be eliminated. The difference is this one could attack a wide range of cancers. "There's a chance here to treat every patient," researcher Prof Andrew Sewell told the BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51182451 9 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 21, 2020 #2 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I wonder about the ethics of these kinds of stories. I can see that people with cancer, could be led to imagine a "cure" is just around the corner for them. The facts are that many such stories have appeared over the years, but not much eventuates, and certainly not the miracle cure. Is holding out false hope, good or bad ? I recall a story appearing ay least 15 years ago, that something that would "stop prostate cancer in its tracks" was just around the corner. It never arrived. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #3 Share Posted January 21, 2020 it will be forgotten as many other "existing researches" that were supposed to cure it. if you notice they still are talking about treatment, not cure, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 21, 2020 #4 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, aztek said: if you notice they still are talking about treatment, not cure, Receiving a cure is called a treatment, until the disease is gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #5 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Receiving a cure is called a treatment, until the disease is gone. no one will allow it to be gone, get real, more people make living around cancer than dying from it, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted January 21, 2020 #6 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Immunotherapy has improved through the years it has been around. Much improved in the last few years. I hope this is another major improvement. People now live.... with treatments that didn't exist just a few years ago. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted January 21, 2020 #7 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, aztek said: no one will allow it to be gone, get real, more people make living around cancer than dying from it, You have a point and its worrying, as well as posible. Cancer Research UK received £540m in fundraising income, an increase of 2 per cent from the previous year, AN INCREASE on the previous year. Which means all the millions over the years and still no cure. Thats an awful lot of money for research. Quote A newly-discovered part of our immune system could be harnessed to treat all cancers, say scientists. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51182451 What I do not understsnd is some cancers are caused by smoking and one biggy Quote Outdoor air pollution has been officially classified as carcinogenic by the cancer arm of the World Health Organisation. The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) said air pollution from traffic and industrial fumes was a definite cause of lung cancer and also linked to bladder cancer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/17/air-pollution-causes-cancer-world-health-organisation-who So it may treat, but what is NEEDED is prevention. Are they going to eradicate aid pollution by getting rid of all transport which is causing it? Of course not. Many factors cause cancer, as long as these factors are there, there will never be a cure. If someone gets cancer from air pollution and is treated and recover, are they never going to get affected by air pollution again? Quote Too much ultraviolet (UV) light from the sun or sunbeds is the main cause of skin cancer. Ok someone who has been treated for cancer because they went on sunbeds can never go on one again, but we can not block the sun out Permanent sunblock for the rest of their lives would help prevent it from returning, but can we get people wearing pernanent sunblock before they get cancer just in case? No. 30 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Receiving a cure is called a treatment, until the disease is gone. From what i have put above, it may be gone this time, but can they prevent it happening again? No not really. Many do not come back, but more people today are getting cancel. We are not living in a healthy society. Quote But alongside the undeniable improvements in care, we need to talk about the scale of the problem. Previously we’ve calculated that more than one person in three would develop cancer at some point during their life – in other words, the so-called ‘lifetime risk’was more than 1 in 3. But our latest estimate, which uses the most accurate calculation method to date, now puts our chances of developing the disease at 1 in 2. https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2015/02/04/why-are-cancer-rates-increasing/ They know what causes many cancers, they ready have the treatments, the prevention should be the number one focus, but they know that is not only going to reduce their funds, it will cause havoc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted January 21, 2020 #8 Share Posted January 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, aztek said: no one will allow it to be gone, get real, more people make living around cancer than dying from it, I'm not arguing for or against a medical industry conspiracy to keep people sick for profits. I'm just clarifying what the word 'treatment' entails. My best guess - if they truly found a cure this time - is that they'll do like they did with AIDS. As long as you take the medicine, you're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 21, 2020 #9 Share Posted January 21, 2020 One wonders if these stories are just floated as an aid to further funding. Otherwise hard to justify. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #10 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Man the people on this site can be so cynical and paranoid lol 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmoonlady Posted January 21, 2020 #11 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, aztek said: no one will allow it to be gone, get real, more people make living around cancer than dying from it, Love the logic, let's not cure cancer so people die and then we can no longer make money off them? Really? Seems like curing them means a lifetime of keeping them alive from all the other **** like aging, and other diseases and they make the "evil pharms" way more money alive than dead. It's a wonder you know how to type..oh wait.. While some cancers are environmental, a lot are genetic, did pharmaceutical companies decide when our parents met too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 21, 2020 #12 Share Posted January 21, 2020 3 hours ago, spartan max2 said: Man the people on this site can be so cynical and paranoid lol These kinds of stories appear on a regular basis, I can't think of any reason why any research body would want to go the early crow, other than to secure funds for their activities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #13 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Habitat said: These kinds of stories appear on a regular basis, I can't think of any reason why any research body would want to go the early crow, other than to secure funds for their activities. "Research body"? Lol. Do you mean the journalist who reported the story. The researchers just published their study like normal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted January 21, 2020 #14 Share Posted January 21, 2020 13 hours ago, spartan max2 said: the researchers say they have "enormous potential". 13 hours ago, spartan max2 said: Experts said that although the work was still at an early stage, it was very exciting. 13 hours ago, spartan max2 said: "There's a chance here to treat every patient," researcher Prof Andrew Sewell told the BBC So that isn't the actual researchers talking it up, but a journalist ? Hardly ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted January 21, 2020 #15 Share Posted January 21, 2020 10 hours ago, spartan max2 said: Man the people on this site can be so cynical and paranoid lol Yeah, they're a RIGHT miserable bunch sometimes, aren't they ? This is research. It is not a product yet. But it is showing encouraging signs. So SMILE, you grumpy sods ! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #16 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Habitat said: So that isn't the actual researchers talking it up, but a journalist ? Hardly ! The journalist asked the researchers as well as professors from various colleges their input. What in the world do you want them to say about their own research?! "Oh sorry, our research is actually useless and was a waste of our time" lol Edited January 21, 2020 by spartan max2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #17 Share Posted January 21, 2020 9 hours ago, darkmoonlady said: Love the logic, let's not cure cancer so people die and then we can no longer make money off them? Really? you should love it, cuz you fail at yours miserably, as well as reality, look around, billions are made treating cancer and people still die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #18 Share Posted January 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, aztek said: you should love it, cuz you fail at yours miserably, as well as reality, look around, billions are made treating cancer and people still die. And your prognosis if you got cancer today is much better then it was 20 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #19 Share Posted January 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: And your prognosis if you got cancer today is much better then it was 20 years ago. yea, if you pay hundreds of thousands for treatment, assuming you caught it at stage 1, but just as 20 years ago, it is still something that will kill you eventually. no research is looking for a cure today, none zero. and that says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #20 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, aztek said: yea, if you pay hundreds of thousands for treatment, assuming you caught it at stage 1, but just as 20 years ago, it is still something that will kill you eventually. no research is looking for a cure today, none zero. and that says a lot. "Treat" is just the more reserved scientific term for researchers. For example if OP treatment worked then it would be what you call a cure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #21 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) yea, and it is not happening, will come back to this topic in 5 years and we will not be any closer to cure than we are today, Edited January 21, 2020 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #22 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aztek said: yea, and it is not happening, will come back to this topic in 5 years and we will not be any closer to cure than we are today, For OP's concept it is probably around 15-20 years off unless it runs into a significant snag. Edited January 21, 2020 by spartan max2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #23 Share Posted January 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: For OP's concept it is probably around 15-20 years off unless it runs into a significant snag. post #2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted January 21, 2020 #24 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) it maybe funny but it is true, in last 20-30 year there were number of such studies announced, that will make cancer thing of the past,,,,,, blah blah, yet we are not seeing any of them actually work out, but they sure took some grants. this one is NO different Edited January 21, 2020 by aztek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted January 21, 2020 Author #25 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, aztek said: it maybe funny but it is true, in last 20-30 year there were number of such studies announced, that will make cancer thing of the past,,,,,, blah blah, yet we are not seeing any of them actually work out, but they sure took some grants. this one is NO different Just because you personally have not been unfortunate enough to expierence, or simply unaware of during treatment, the progress in treatment the last 20 years does not mean their have been none. There are hundreds of types of cancer, things changes for treatment of each type all the time. Your prognosis if you got cancer now is much better then it was 20 years ago. Here is very brief timeline of advances since 2000. https://www.asco.org/research-guidelines/cancer-progress-timeline You will see that just because you didn't expierence it, does not mean there have been no advances. Edited January 21, 2020 by spartan max2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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