Coronavirus Is Identified in the U.S.

[Horta]

19 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Tedros will be run out of WHO on a rail:

15 hours ago, DieChecker said:

You know those that Hate Trump are going to dismiss any reasons goven, and simply refuse to address any relivant points. 

 

Some of this has already been done. For instance the first point involving "The Lancet" seems simply to be "made up". The  Lancet themselves put out a statement saying it was incorrect. It seems a mixture of grandstanding and political scapegoating. No doubt there is room for criticism, but It also seems these criticisms of the WHO are from people who don't understand the scope of what they do.

[SHaYap]

4 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Maybe you should take 2 seconds and do a Search before calling people liars. It makes you look stupid.

Some students did get run over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jun/02/china.johngittings

 

I know when you choose to cite 'the guardian' rather than your declassified gov source, you've just trumped simply stupid... 

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[ian hacktorp]

48 minutes ago, Horta said:

No doubt there is room for criticism, but It also seems these criticisms of the WHO are from people who don't understand the scope of what they do.

Agreed.  Much of the criticism is coming from folks who are only now beginning to understand the scope of what the WHO has been up to.

Edited May 20, 2020 by hacktorp

[Horta]

10 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Agreed.  Much of the criticism is coming from folks who are only now beginning to understand the scope of what the WHO has been up to.

"Up to" and "what they are permitted to do" are different things. The WHO is basically a monitoring/ information service that mostly relies on the information it receives. It doesn't have the power (or probably the ability) to go in to sovereign nations like UN weapons inspectors.

[ian hacktorp]

13 minutes ago, Horta said:

"Up to" and "what they are permitted to do" are different things.

Again, we agree.

Indeed, it seems that much of the concern and criticism surrounding the WHO has to do with the gap between "what they are permitted to do", and what they have been "Up to".

[+susieice]

China is reimposing lockdowns as new outbreaks occur.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-restarts-lockdown-measures-jilin-after-34-new-coronavirus-cases-2020-5

https://www.newsweek.com/chinese-city-700000-put-under-lockdown-new-coronavirus-cases-discovered-1505147

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-05-19-20-intl/h_220134289f41b18207ed22fbf2578f06

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/19/china-puts-city-of-shulan-under-wuhan-style-lockdown-after-fresh-covid-19-cases

Edited May 20, 2020 by susieice

[+OverSword]

3 hours ago, Horta said:

"Up to" and "what they are permitted to do" are different things. The WHO is basically a monitoring/ information service that mostly relies on the information it receives. It doesn't have the power (or probably the ability) to go in to sovereign nations like UN weapons inspectors.

That being the case perhaps praising the countries transparency that won’t let them in is the wrong move. Other countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan were giving accurate details about CV19 before the WHO was 

[Horta]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

That being the case perhaps praising the countries transparency that won’t let them in is the wrong move. Other countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan were giving accurate details about CV19 before the WHO was 

I doubt anyone is praising China (apart from themselves). It's the claim that they conspired with the WHO and spread the virus around the world intentionally that doesn't have much going for it. Going forward we will probably need an organisation with much more expertise and more power than the WHO currently has.

[Horta]

6 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Again, we agree.

Indeed, it seems that much of the concern and criticism surrounding the WHO has to do with the gap between "what they are permitted to do", and what they have been "Up to".

Indeed, it makes the complaints against the WHO seem like the politically motivated ass covering it is.

[+DieChecker]

8 hours ago, third_eye said:

I know when you choose to cite 'the guardian' rather than your declassified gov source, you've just trumped simply stupid... 

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You can post "rubber and glue" posts all you like, but I dont see people falling over themselves agreeing with you.

[SHaYap]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

You can post "rubber and glue" posts all you like, but I dont see people falling over themselves agreeing with you.

Yeah, as if they're jumping off cliffs just for you too... 

What was it again? 

Duo cores and six threads? Sure dude... 

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[+OverSword]

5 hours ago, Horta said:

I doubt anyone is praising China (apart from themselves). It's the claim that they conspired with the WHO and spread the virus around the world intentionally that doesn't have much going for it. Going forward we will probably need an organisation with much more expertise and more power than the WHO currently has.

You’re wrong. The Who did give China high marks for their response and only whacked out conspiracy theorists think it was spread on purpose. The reason this got out of control was because China is more concerned with their prestige abroad than doing the right thing. Actions such as threatening Australia with economic consequences for simply stating that they want an independent investigation into what happened in wuhan so improved action could be taken in the future prove that.

Edited May 20, 2020 by OverSword

[+OverSword]

8 hours ago, susieice said:

China is reimposing lockdowns as new outbreaks occur.

That’s too bad. Once we start opening more I expect the same thing at first.

Edited May 20, 2020 by OverSword

[Horta]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

You’re wrong. The Who did give China high marks for their response and only whacked out conspiracy theorists think it was spread on purpose. The reason this got out of control was because China is more concerned with their prestige abroad than doing the right thing.

The US gave China high marks too, full of praise they were, or are you forgetting that? Agreed that only "whacked out conspiracy theorists" promote the "on purpose" part, the problem seems to be some of them also form the current US govt. The "very stable genius" promoted this when he claimed it escaped from a lab in Wuhan and then "whether they made a mistake, or whether it started off as a mistake and then they made another one, or did somebody do something on purpose?"

The overlooked part is the poor response of many western nations also (with US being one of the worst). There are no excuses for not arranging supplies and generally preparing for pandemic as well as looking at strategy from the end of January (what many critics in the US are calling the "missing month"-February). 

China are secretive anyway and probably made many mistakes, but it's overlooked that they were dealing with something novel. Rightly or wrongly they weren't going to tell everything until they were sure it was necessary.

It's likely they would also welcome an unbiased scientific review of the whole thing. No doubt they would like to know more about it also, such as where it really started and when. This probably is no longer possible though, it'll all be mudslinging from here. The west needs to be careful pushing China into a corner, they simply aren't clever enough to defeat China economically.

[SHaYap]

China was just following WHO guidelines... 

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A checklist for pandemic influenza risk and impact management: building capacity for pandemic response

2018 update

https://www.who.int/influenza/preparedness/pandemic/influenza_risk_management_checklist_2018/en/

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Since covid19 is a "novel" virus pandemic, influenza pandemic preparedness was the closest thing anyone could base on and work with, we're still learning as we are working as hard as we can to contain this outbreak. 

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[+OverSword]

57 minutes ago, Horta said:

The US gave China high marks too, full of praise they were, or are you forgetting that?

Based on the review by the world health organization

58 minutes ago, Horta said:

Rightly or wrongly they weren't going to tell everything until they were sure it was necessary.

And still haven't.

[Horta]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Based on the review by the world health organization

Partly, and partly based on direct communication with China. Probably similar communication the WHO had with them also.

 

[Horta]

 

[+and-then]

22 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Some students did get run over.

There was a HUGE amount of bloodshed.  Don't expect supporters of that regime to ever admit it though.  Well, no images may have made it out to prove what happened THEN, but this coronavirus situation is well documented and those who cheerfully lie about it aren't fooling anyone.  Imagine one of them being a neighbor.  Good little party members always eager to earn a few brownie points.

[+DieChecker]

This is not really surprising...

Maybe we can blame the Russians?

NPR: Researchers: Nearly Half Of Accounts Tweeting About Coronavirus Are Likely Bots.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/20/859814085/researchers-nearly-half-of-accounts-tweeting-about-coronavirus-are-likely-bots?ft=nprml&f=1001

 

[spartan max2]

2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

This is not really surprising...

Maybe we can blame the Russians?

NPR: Researchers: Nearly Half Of Accounts Tweeting About Coronavirus Are Likely Bots.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/20/859814085/researchers-nearly-half-of-accounts-tweeting-about-coronavirus-are-likely-bots?ft=nprml&f=1001

 

The 50 cent army

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We do know that it looks like it's a propaganda machine, and it definitely matches the Russian and Chinese playbooks, but it would take a tremendous amount of resources to substantiate that," said Kathleen Carley, a professor of computer science at Carnegie Mellon University who is conducting a study into bot-generated coronavirus activity on Twitter that has yet to be published.

Another fact about CCP propaganda that people probably don't know. Feel free to read the link people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Edited May 23, 2020 by spartan max2

[simplybill]

IMO, this article is an example of how the Covad-19 pandemic is being used to change how ‘we the people’ think about Government control over our freedoms and our livelihoods. Look carefully at the wording of the title:

Silver Lining: 2 In 5 Adults Have ‘Changed For The Better’ Thanks To Lockdown

“ Many people have been using their extra time during the coronavirus lockdown wisely and have adopted new habits to keep themselves busy. In fact, a recent survey of 2,000 British adults reveals that 43% of people feel they’ve “changed their ways for the better” as a result of all the time inside these past few months. “

https://www.studyfinds.org/survey-2-in-5-adults-feel-theyve-changed-for-the-better-thanks-to-coronavirus-lockdown/

[Raptor Witness]

On 3/22/2020 at 3:08 PM, Raptor Witness said:

You may be right. I didn't like her, either, but I feel like things are likely far worse under this President, because of his continued narcissism in the face of a serious plague.

I think there's a chance that New York City could explode into violence, with the entire city virtually burned to the ground. So great will be hatred of the state, if the dead are piling up like cordwood.

HRC, being a Senator from New York, and a woman, might have been better positioned to soothe the painful wound.

I hope I am wrong, but I'm starting the smell smoke, and I still believe that Donald Trump will be forced to declare martial law. The only question is, what precipitates this?

 

 

[+susieice]

China now admits that was previously thought to be the origin of the virus is wrong. It wasn't the Wuhan wet market.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-did-not-jump-wuhan-market-chinese-cdc-says-2020-5

https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-seafood-market-probably-wasnt-origin-coronavirus-pandemic-chinese-scientists-say-1507306

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-wet-market.html

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, reports have suggested that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) jumped from animals to humans in Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Now, experts at the WIV have said publicly that the theory was wrong, and that the virus must have originated elsewhere, according to a Wall Street Journal report. 

"I haven't seen anything that makes me feel, as a researcher who studies zoonotic disease, that this market is a likely option," said Colin Carlson, a professor at Georgetown University who studies the spread of such zoonotic viruses, which transmit between animals and humans. Carlson does not work for the WIV.

A number of early cases of the outbreak in Wuhan were tied to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Later, researchers took environmental samples that suggested the virus had landed on surfaces in the market. But in the period since, tissue samples from the market's animals have revealed no trace of the virus. For the virus to jump from animals to humans, the animals have to actually be carrying it.

"None of the animals tested positive. So since January, this has not actually been particularly conclusive. But this has developed into a narrative," he said.

 

 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, susieice said:

China now admits that was previously thought to be the origin of the virus is wrong. It wasn't the Wuhan wet market.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-did-not-jump-wuhan-market-chinese-cdc-says-2020-5

https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-seafood-market-probably-wasnt-origin-coronavirus-pandemic-chinese-scientists-say-1507306

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-wet-market.html

Since the early days of the coronavirus pandemic, reports have suggested that SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) jumped from animals to humans in Wuhan's Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Now, experts at the WIV have said publicly that the theory was wrong, and that the virus must have originated elsewhere, according to a Wall Street Journal report. 

"I haven't seen anything that makes me feel, as a researcher who studies zoonotic disease, that this market is a likely option," said Colin Carlson, a professor at Georgetown University who studies the spread of such zoonotic viruses, which transmit between animals and humans. Carlson does not work for the WIV.

A number of early cases of the outbreak in Wuhan were tied to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Later, researchers took environmental samples that suggested the virus had landed on surfaces in the market. But in the period since, tissue samples from the market's animals have revealed no trace of the virus. For the virus to jump from animals to humans, the animals have to actually be carrying it.

"None of the animals tested positive. So since January, this has not actually been particularly conclusive. But this has developed into a narrative," he said.

 

 

 

@susieice  This has been known for some time, in fact the first reported cases were located in the Hubei Provence, just not in the city of Wuhan. The first known cases were identified an reported on 17 November 2019, the first case was a 55 year old man from Hubei Provence on November 17th. However there were another 8 cases for a total of 9 reported in November, there were 5 women and 4 men with ages ranging from 39 to 79 years old. These cases were reported to the Chinese as cases of a new Coronavirus, however none of them could be positively identified as patient Zero. So according to this information the transmission from animal to human, didn't take place at the Chinese wet market and it actually took place more than a month earlier than any of the reports that occurred in the City Limits of Wuhan. 

This also explains why in such a short period time after the first reports of the Novel Virus infection in Wuhan that was reported in late December, the Virus had already been spreading throughout China. Simply stated the Virus had already been spreading for more than  month and half before any reports were actually made, and that is why it appeared to spread so quickly through cities like Wuhan. So the idea that this Virus escaped from a Laboratory in Wuhan like President Trump Claims are just that more ridicule's because the first infections didn't start anywhere either of those Labs.

Here is a link I have had and posted over a month ago, hope this helps.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back

Peace and enjoy