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The end of the story of the Dyatlov group

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Gorojanin
1 hour ago, GlitterRose said:

Ok, so what I'm getting is you believe there is some nefarious Director who is more powerful than any government agency, and is responsible for world-wide phenomena that leads people to think governments are doing this.

Let me know if I have not gotten it right. 

A little wrong. The Directorate (a very conventional name) is outside of governments, ideologies, policies, and other matrices. Try to answer why the USSR and the United States jointly defended the secret of shooting down a South Korean Boeing 01.09.1983? Trash and debris in the place of flooding and not a single body of the passenger-this is all material evidence of this Boeing.

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GlitterRose
2 minutes ago, Gorojanin said:

A little wrong. The Directorate (a very conventional name) is outside of governments, ideologies, policies, and other matrices. Try to answer why the USSR and the United States jointly defended the secret of shooting down a South Korean Boeing 01.09.1983? Trash and debris in the place of flooding and not a single body of the passenger-this is all material evidence of this Boeing.

Ok so the Directorate is made up of people who are more powerful than governments, but want governments to be blamed for these things...and force governments to play along?

Is that what you're saying?

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Gorojanin
2 hours ago, GlitterRose said:

Ok so the Directorate is made up of people who are more powerful than governments, but want governments to be blamed for these things...and force governments to play along?

Is that what you're saying?

Tell me why all the media, VIP persons, official organizations of Iran, Russia, Ukraine, the United States and all other countries advertise the crash of the Ukrainian "Boeing" near Tehran?  Although 20 tons of aviation kerosene was not enough to set fire to dry grass at the crash site, 189 seats, two landing gear racks with a cleaning mechanism, all insulation, tail with tail feathers, and more were missing, and all parts of the aircraft were delivered from the landfill...

 *snip*

How can this be explained, other than the existence of a structure whose performances must be supported by all governments?

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GlitterRose
2 hours ago, Gorojanin said:

Tell me why all the media, VIP persons, official organizations of Iran, Russia, Ukraine, the United States and all other countries advertise the crash of the Ukrainian "Boeing" near Tehran?  Although 20 tons of aviation kerosene was not enough to set fire to dry grass at the crash site, 189 seats, two landing gear racks with a cleaning mechanism, all insulation, tail with tail feathers, and more were missing, and all parts of the aircraft were delivered from the landfill...

How can this be explained, other than the existence of a structure whose performances must be supported by all governments?

Way to answer a question with a question.

Just say yes or no. 

Am I correct in what you're trying to say? I'm trying to figure out what you think here.

And furthermore...who do you think is part of this hidden cabal?

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There are obviously people who are wealthy and powerful and can dodge the laws of whatever land they're playing in. That's a fact.

But if you're trying to say that governments never do bad things, and it's all some unknown Directorate that is responsible...what a great out for governments to do bad things.

They just say...what??? That wasn't us. That was the Directorate. 

Who are the Directorate?

No one knows. 

Now move along, nothing to see here.

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5 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Way to answer a question with a question.

Just say yes or no. 

Am I correct in what you're trying to say? I'm trying to figure out what you think here.

And furthermore...who do you think is part of this hidden cabal?

Yes. Something like that.  Questions about individuals are not correct, because real management is not public.  In the case of the Dyatlov group, Prosecutor Ivanov was the representative of the real author of the dramatization, no more.

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11 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

There are obviously people who are wealthy and powerful and can dodge the laws of whatever land they're playing in. That's a fact.

But if you're trying to say that governments never do bad things, and it's all some unknown Directorate that is responsible...what a great out for governments to do bad things.

They just say...what??? That wasn't us. That was the Directorate. 

Who are the Directorate?

No one knows. 

Now move along, nothing to see here.

Why do all the VIPs and media in the world support dramatizations of these wealthy and powerful   people ? No one has the money to buy all the VIPs, governments, intelligence agencies, and media in the world.

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GlitterRose
22 hours ago, Gorojanin said:

Why do all the VIPs and media in the world support dramatizations of these wealthy and powerful   people ? No one has the money to buy all the VIPs, governments, intelligence agencies, and media in the world.

You keep asking questions like you have the answers for them, but you don't.

There are billionaires and/or powerful people with connections to organized crime networks. Again...that's a fact.

They don't have to pay off, threaten, or blackmail everyone in the world all at once...just whoever they happen to be dealing with at the moment who happens to be getting in their way.

Your "directorate"...how do you think they manage to do what you think they're doing? Obviously, if they were, they would need money, power, and connections.

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19 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

You keep asking questions like you have the answers for them, but you don't.

There are billionaires and/or powerful people with connections to organized crime networks. Again...that's a fact.

They don't have to pay off, threaten, or blackmail everyone in the world all at once...just whoever they happen to be dealing with at the moment who happens to be getting in their way.

Your "directorate"...how do you think they manage to do what you think they're doing? Obviously, if they were, they would need money, power, and connections.

No single Directorate of billionaires can buy all the governments, organized crime, intelligence agencies, and media around the world.  If you think that the Directorate of billionaires makes plays and for 60 years has been forcing all the media in the world to support these performances, explain how they do it.

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3 minutes ago, Gorojanin said:

No single Directorate of billionaires can buy all the governments, organized crime, intelligence agencies, and media around the world.  If you think that the Directorate of billionaires makes plays and for 60 years has been forcing all the media in the world to support these performances, explain how they do it.

Why do you think the media have been forced?

It just makes sense to look to the people who have the power. 

People who have the power are people with money and connections. What connections would help them? Connections to organized crime syndicates and connections to governments, because governments make the rules. 

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Even in my own country, I can see how the justice system works differently for people with money.

They get the best lawyers and have the best chance of literally getting away with murder. 

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18 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Even in my own country, I can see how the justice system works differently for people with money.

They get the best lawyers and have the best chance of literally getting away with murder. 

But for some reason , both in the United States and in the rest of the world, needy and non-needy officials, departments, governments, and journalists are equally forced to support performances.

 

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1 minute ago, Gorojanin said:

But for some reason , both in the United States and in the rest of the world, needy and non-needy officials, departments, governments, and journalists are equally forced to support performances.

 

Again...what evidence do you have that anyone is being forced to support a wide range of staged events all over the world?

Journalists are just reporting on stuff that happens and looking to the people most likely to be involved. 

Unless you think that every bad thing that happens on the face of the Earth is a staged event by some cabal...I don't understand where you're coming from.

If by your own statement, there is no one with enough power and money to pay off or threaten everyone...then your hypothesis of a cabal more powerful than all the world governments does not fly.

Bad things happen. Sometimes government officials are involved and sometimes they aren't. Sometimes there are cover-ups and sometimes things are exactly as they seem.

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It seems to me that regardless of the official story on this Dyatlov event, there are still people who doubt it and are looking for something they will regard as truth. 

I think there are weird aspects to the story. I don't know if it was an avalanche or if they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and someone took them out. 

But I'm not leaping to cabal more powerful than all the world governments responsible for staging this and any event like it. That's like saying 2+2=3,245.867.

 

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17 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Again...what evidence do you have that anyone is being forced to support a wide range of staged events all over the world?

Journalists are just reporting on stuff that happens and looking to the people most likely to be involved. 

Unless you think that every bad thing that happens on the face of the Earth is a staged event by some cabal...I don't understand where you're coming from.

If by your own statement, there is no one with enough power and money to pay off or threaten everyone...then your hypothesis of a cabal more powerful than all the world governments does not fly.

Bad things happen. Sometimes government officials are involved and sometimes they aren't. Sometimes there are cover-ups and sometimes things are exactly as they seem.

Think what you think.  This does not answer the question: why all the media and researchers of the Dyatlov group in the world for many years supported and now continue to support the falsification of photos of the Dyatlov group and the campaign of the Dyatlov group?

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GlitterRose
1 minute ago, Gorojanin said:

Think what you think.  This does not answer the question: why all the media and researchers of the Dyatlov group in the world support the falsification of photos of the Dyatlov group and the campaign of the Dyatlov group?

Again...you have no evidence that all the media and researchers in the world support falsification of photos.

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It would be very easy for the government to only put out what they wanted to, and that is all that journalists and researchers would be able to access.

Not to mention the fact that some of these journalists and researchers may already have the bias that they want to uncover some supernatural cause.

In this regard, they could overlook glaring evidence that the photos are faked...or maybe just not know enough about photo faking to identify it.

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I still want you to explain how you think the Directorate is pulling off staged events all over the world and forcing all the governments and media to support them. 

Especially since by your own statement, there is no one rich and powerful enough to pay off all the governments and media in the world.

So what do you think?

Do you believe there is some supernatural component to this Directorate?

We have established that you believe they are responsible for staging events all over the world and forcing world governments and media to support them.

If not with money and power, then how?

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16 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Again...you have no evidence that all the media and researchers in the world support falsification of photos.

I looked through hundreds of articles, posts, and announcements of books and films by researchers from the Dyatlov group. All researchers of Dyatlov's group support falsification of photos of Dyatlov's group, falsification of a campaign of Dyatlov's group, at all Dyatlov's group was lost from February 1 to February 2, 1959 on the pass. Do you know any other researchers of Dyatlov group?

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4 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

I still want you to explain how you think the Directorate is pulling off staged events all over the world and forcing all the governments and media to support them. 

Especially since by your own statement, there is no one rich and powerful enough to pay off all the governments and media in the world.

So what do you think?

Do you believe there is some supernatural component to this Directorate?

We have established that you believe they are responsible for staging events all over the world and forcing world governments and media to support them.

If not with money and power, then how?

I see this fact.

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GlitterRose
1 minute ago, Gorojanin said:

I looked through hundreds of articles, posts, and announcements of books and films by researchers from the Dyatlov group. All researchers of Dyatlov's group support falsification of photos of Dyatlov's group, falsification of a campaign of Dyatlov's group, at all Dyatlov's group was lost from February 1 to February 2, 1959 on the pass. Do you know any other researchers from the Dyatlov group?

Address what I said. 

These are people who don't believe the official story and are looking for something else that they can believe is truth.

Just because they are interested in the Dyatlov Pass incident does not make them photo specialists. I know I have always been interested in the event, and I wouldn't have a clue about telling a fake photo from a real one. 

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GlitterRose
1 minute ago, Gorojanin said:

I see this fact.

What fact?

How are they doing it?

You are not answering anything.

Do you think this Directorate has supernatural powers and this is how they pull it off? 

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GlitterRose

And if you believe the Directorate has supernatural powers, who do you think they are?

Do you think they're aliens?

Do you think they're just humans with special abilities?

Do you think they're gods or demons or witches or what?

I'm trying to decipher your cryptic posts, and I still don't understand what you really believe about this.

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GlitterRose

Are you afraid to say what you think they are?

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Gorojanin
12 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Address what I said. 

These are people who don't believe the official story and are looking for something else that they can believe is truth.

Just because they are interested in the Dyatlov Pass incident does not make them photo specialists. I know I have always been interested in the event, and I wouldn't have a clue about telling a fake photo from a real one. 

All people who believe the official story, and all people who do not believe the official story, support the falsification of photos and the falsification campaign of the Dyatlov group. And for all people who trust the government and do not trust the government, Dyatlov's group died on the night of February 1 to 2 on the pass. Why?

Show examples from the post to any familiar photographer, expert, or person who shot with a camera with film - and make sure.   The authenticity of the photos has never been confirmed by anyone , anywhere. They are considered authentic by default in all departments. Why?

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