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Coronavirus cases confirmed in the UK

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Eldorado

Snowdonia National Park Authority said its area "experienced its busiest ever visitor day in living memory" on Saturday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

We becoming a nation of selfish half-wits?

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I'm pretty sure I've just got over the virus, and it looks like my youngest sister has just contracted it, but there are no tests available for people who can self-isolate and don't need hospital treatment.

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toast
4 hours ago, Mr.United_Nations said:

... and for all we know they might of been heavy smokers

Do we?

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Eldorado

Tesco shoppers 'fight' and 'crush at door' as over 1,000 queue

UK Mirror: Link

Large crowds of vile yobs “coughed and spat” at front line emergency workers

The London Ecomomic: Link

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L.A.T.1961
7 hours ago, RAyMO said:

that may be so, it does not mean he is making the right decisions though. Personally I think he is, but too slowly, badly thought out before announcing, and too much delay before implementation

  • School closures were a fiasco, closed but not closed and only vague directions to schools, subsequently overwritten by answers to questions on TV;
  • Advising people to avoid pubs, etc, but not closing them until later and even then encouraging last minute binges
  • Announcing grants for business with no direction on how to apply (even today)
  • Announcing wage subsides but giving businesses no idea how this will work until April 
  • mixed messages on herd immunity......

Boris appears to be following recommendations from the medics and scientific community, I don't see how you could do much else with a medical emergency. 

So if actions on schools and pubs is thought slow those who say it is slow need to provide the hard data, not just wave hands about. 

As each nation is unique and at a different stage in the progress of the virus then, as we know, there is no hard data for actions in UK, just an educated guess. Although opposition political parties might, for their own reasons, suggest otherwise.;)  

The mixed messages on herd immunity were created by a ever helpful press.:rolleyes:

Payments systems are, as far as I know, being stood up and should be working by month end? 

Corbyn has been on TV today suggesting the situation is worse due to the underfunded NHS, he did not say how he would have paid for an NHS system that was continually prepared to manage a 20-30% increase in demand by having staff permanently employed, but standing around for years, waiting for a once in a lifetime pandemic. ;)

 

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Space Commander Travis

"Johnson: Government will support the shielded". The shielded! Oh dear oh dear, just when you thought this absurd government couldn't get any more paternalistic and condescending. Now it's "the shielded". 

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Space Commander Travis

And meanwhile there's the dark threat again: "The Government will enforce Social Distancing measures if necessary". Enforce, Johnson? Go ahead and try. I hope a few people are brave enough to be martyrs and get themselves arrested if he tries a Macron-style lockdown. 

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Eldorado

As of 9am on 22 March 2020, 78,340 people have been tested in the UK, of which 72,657 were confirmed negative and 5,683 were confirmed positive. The number of deaths will be updated later.

UK Gov: Link

"The total number of coronavirus cases in the UK has reached 5,683 with the death toll jumping to 281, it has been announced."

UK Mirror: Link

Last Sunday the death toll was 35.

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L.A.T.1961

UK foreign secretary appointed ‘designated survivor’ if Boris Johnson catches COVID-19.

Should Johnson contract the coronavirus, Raab will stand in for him as prime minister.

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-foreign-secretary-appointed-designated-survivor-if-boris-johnson-catches-covid-19/

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RAyMO
7 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Boris appears to be following recommendations from the medics and scientific community, I don't see how you could do much else with a medical emergency. 

So if actions on schools and pubs is thought slow those who say it is slow need to provide the hard data, not just wave hands about. 1

As each nation is unique and at a different stage in the progress of the virus then, as we know, there is no hard data for actions in UK, just an educated guess. Although opposition political parties might, for their own reasons, suggest otherwise.;)  

The mixed messages on herd immunity were created by a ever helpful press2.:rolleyes:

Payments systems are, as far as I know, being stood up and should be working by month end? 

Corbyn has been on TV today suggesting the situation is worse due to the underfunded NHS, he did not say how he would have paid for an NHS system that was continually prepared to manage a 20-30% increase in demand by having staff permanently employed3, but standing around for years, waiting for a once in a lifetime pandemic. ;)

 

1 I didn't say the school closures were slow I said they were a fiasco with schools being given vague and contradictory information, I have a daughter brother and sister in law, all working in different schools - all same report the same confusions, and an email from a head master stating we hope to get more guidance on monday ...... at the minute no one knows the position regarding .... 

2 I listened to the press conferences where the experts quite clearly stated they hoped to achieve herd immunity with Johnson at their side

3. The NHS didn't have to be funded for a pandemic - just funded to cope with normal everyday stuff - it was clearly not funded to do so. Why else would Johnson have promised 20b or so over the next 5 years (before covid 19) if funding was adequate. 

The scientific community answer based on the political question asked  - eg how best to protect people or how best to balance the protection of people with the needs of the economy as defined by the politicians. 

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L.A.T.1961
26 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

1 I didn't say the school closures were slow I said they were a fiasco with schools being given vague and contradictory information, I have a daughter brother and sister in law, all working in different schools - all same report the same confusions, and an email from a head master stating we hope to get more guidance on monday ...... at the minute no one knows the position regarding .... 

2 I listened to the press conferences where the experts quite clearly stated they hoped to achieve herd immunity with Johnson at their side

3. The NHS didn't have to be funded for a pandemic - just funded to cope with normal everyday stuff - it was clearly not funded to do so. Why else would Johnson have promised 20b or so over the next 5 years (before covid 19) if funding was adequate. 

The scientific community answer based on the political question asked  - eg how best to protect people or how best to balance the protection of people with the needs of the economy as defined by the politicians. 

 The NHS didn't have to be funded for a pandemic -

How would it cope without? if NHS was fully funded for everyday needs it could not then take on more work, on top, to deal with a pandemic outbreak, you can always make a case for even more funding however much is already spent.

I am quite sure there are lots of nations around the world today that would love the UK's underfunded NHS. ;)

 

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18 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

How would it cope without? if NHS was fully funded for everyday needs it could not then take on more work, on top, to deal with a pandemic outbreak, you can always make a case for even more funding however much is already spent.

off course it couldn't but it would be far better placed than it is today.

even before covid - patients were not discharged because the social care part wasn't properly funded, other patients discharged too quick only to be re-admitted in worse condition, years on waiting lists for ops, patients - even after admission being treated on trolleys in hallways, 2 weeks to see a doctor, And 4 hour waiting lists conned (just take the patients name and 2 min chat then sent back to waiting) - I was in A&E one night recently and 2 patients were lying on chairs in the waiting area - both had been admitted but were awaiting beds nearly a full day after being admitted. Another woman was bleeding openly , her friend running to get toilet roll, yes toilet roll to stem the bleeding, but still waiting hours to be seen - the NHS has been falling apart at the seams for years, if it cracks now, only one party will be to blame.. 

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Eldorado

No more takeaways soon:

"McDonald's will close all 1,270 of its restaurants in the UK by the end of Monday, as fears over the spread of coronavirus escalate.

"Nando's has also said it has closed its approximately 400 restaurants in the UK "until further notice"."

At the BBC: Link

Edit to add:

'Healthy' NHS nurse, 36, in intensive care after contracting COVID-19

Sky News: Link

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Eldorado

Selfish shoppers pretend to be NHS workers during dedicated hour for medics

At the UK Mirror: Link

Rush hour commuters cram onto trains despite warnings of lockdown

Mirror: Link

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L.A.T.1961

The UK's death toll has reached 335. 

A further 46 people have died in England since Sunday - aged between 47 and 105 and all with underlying health conditions - while there were four deaths in Scotland and four in Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51999864

 

Matt Hancock, the health secretary says that 7,563 former clinicians have answered his call to return to the NHS to help out during the coronavirus outbreak. 

 

New UK cases in the last three days

March 21 - 1035 

March 22 - 665 

March 23 - 154 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/ 

 

 

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Space Commander Travis

I don't take any notice anymore of Johnson's blusterings, of his furious ravings that if we all continue to disobey his instructions we shall all be punished. Has he ordered us all to be placed under house arrest yet? Go on, just try it, you silly little man whose sum total of accomplishments in your political career was to squander millions on a Completely New Bus for London because no existing one was remotely good enough. I sincerely hope the British people have the courage to call the silly little man's bluff, whatever he may threaten next.

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L.A.T.1961
16 hours ago, RAyMO said:

off course it couldn't but it would be far better placed than it is today.

even before covid - patients were not discharged because the social care part wasn't properly funded, other patients discharged too quick only to be re-admitted in worse condition, years on waiting lists for ops, patients - even after admission being treated on trolleys in hallways, 2 weeks to see a doctor, And 4 hour waiting lists conned (just take the patients name and 2 min chat then sent back to waiting) - I was in A&E one night recently and 2 patients were lying on chairs in the waiting area - both had been admitted but were awaiting beds nearly a full day after being admitted. Another woman was bleeding openly , her friend running to get toilet roll, yes toilet roll to stem the bleeding, but still waiting hours to be seen - the NHS has been falling apart at the seams for years, if it cracks now, only one party will be to blame.. 

 

It is true that Labour are much more trust worthy when it comes to running the NHS. ;)

 

Labour failure ‘let hundreds die’ in hospital.

A GROUP representing the families of patients who died in the Mid Staffordshire hospital scandal says Labour will “never again be able to call itself the party of the NHS”.

The relatives of those treated at Stafford Hospital, where between 400 and 1,200 people died through a lack of care between 2005 and 2009, claim Labour politicians at every level ignored their calls to investigate systematic neglect. 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-failure-let-hundreds-die-in-hospital-m86k979qkfq

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/andy-burnham-faces-questions-over-his-role-in-nhs-watchdog-scandal-8669591.html

https://www.************/archives/politics/215905/andy-burnham-is-a-coward/

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Eldorado

"Three teenagers were arrested after an elderly couple were allegedly coughed at in the street.

"The couple were approached by three people in Hitchin, one of whom is said to have coughed in their faces.

"A passer-by intervened and there was "an altercation" which left a woman in her 70s with a black eye, police said."

BBC: Link

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Eldorado

"Callous gang of teens smash up Kidderminster Hospital in late-night rampage

"Police launched an appeal after the group of youths smashed doors and vandalised specialist equipment"

Birmingham Live: Link

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Space Commander Travis

See, El Supremo has now gone into full dictator mode. As I said, didn't I. You people voted for him. Now you've got him. I wash my hands of all of you .

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likwidlite
1 minute ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

See, El Supremo has now gone into full dictator mode. As I said, didn't I. You people voted for him. Now you've got him. I wash my hands of all of y

I feel a bit dumber everytime I read one of your posts.

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Space Commander Travis

I don't give a flying **** what the latest tally of Deaths might be, Johnson, Nothing, nothing should give a leader of a "democratic" country the right to adopt such absolute dictatorial powers without even any pretence of allowing parliament to to have a say, or allowing any alternative opinion whatsoever. You're a dictator, Johnson, pure and simple, and it doesn't matter how panicky you might look for the cameras, you are, pure and simple, a dictator. 

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Space Commander Travis
4 minutes ago, likwidlite said:

I feel a bit dumber everytime I read one of your posts.

Go and bow down before your portrait of your Great Leader. He might allow you to venture out of your own house if you're really good and obedient 

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likwidlite
22 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

Go and bow down before your portrait of your Great Leader. He might allow you to venture out of your own house if you're really good and obedient 

I did have a witty reply but your last two posts made me forgot how to word. 

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Setton
29 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

I don't give a flying **** what the latest tally of Deaths might be, Johnson, Nothing, nothing should give a leader of a "democratic" country the right to adopt such absolute dictatorial powers without even any pretence of allowing parliament to to have a say, or allowing any alternative opinion whatsoever. You're a dictator, Johnson, pure and simple, and it doesn't matter how panicky you might look for the cameras, you are, pure and simple, a dictator. 

I think my opinion of Johnson is pretty well documented here. 

But he is, more or less, doing the right thing here. Yes, it would have been better if he didn't have to enforce these measures. But as the great British public is apparently too thick, selfish and/or arrogant to follow advice, he has to take whatever actions are best to protect the people. 

My main criticism of his handling is that messages haven't been clear. This one couldn't be much clearer. 

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