Coronavirus cases confirmed in the UK

[Eldorado]

UK Number of cases

As of 9am on 23 March 2020, a total of 83,945 people have been tested, of which 77,295 were confirmed negative and 6,650 were confirmed positive.

As of 1pm on 23 March 2020, 335 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died.

HM UK Gov: Link

[RoofGardener]

Hmm.. I find those statistics encouraging. 

I mean.. not so much for the 335 patients who died.. but... you get my point ? 

[RAyMO]

31 minutes ago, Setton said:

I think my opinion of Johnson is pretty well documented here. 

But he is, more or less, doing the right thing here. Yes, it would have been better if he didn't have to enforce these measures. But as the great British public is apparently too thick, selfish and/or arrogant to follow advice, he has to take whatever actions are best to protect the people. 

My main criticism of his handling is that messages haven't been clear. This one couldn't be much clearer. 

he chickened out again. His latest statement is not what many people think it is. 

This is from the official guidance issued after the speech:

1. STAYING AT HOME You should only leave the house for one of four reasons.

● Shopping for basic necessities, for example food and medicine, which must be as infrequent as possible.

● One form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household.

● Any medical need, or to provide care or to help a vulnerable person.

● Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

 

look at bullet 4, this is not stay at home unless your job is essential. This is go to work unless you can work from home. In other words trains and buses will still be packed. 

Like almost all of his announcements - they create more confusion not less. 

Before others give off to me - his speech gave the definite impression that people should not go to work unless it was essential. But what he meant by essential and others take it to mean or two very different things. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by RAyMO

[stevewinn]

In Italy after a two week lock down they expected to see a decline in cases from previous levels. This seems to be the case. As 15% decline in new cases. 18% decline in deaths. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

 

[L.A.T.1961]

I was due to run my dads car to the garage for MOT on Wednesday but I would say that it doesn't qualify as an essential trip. Will have to ring them in the morning and see what the official line is. 

[TigerBright19]

Can't imagine too many people using ebay and Gumtree these days.  Who would be willing to meet potential buyers / sellers and take home second hand merchandise which may have belonged to someone who tested positive?  Is it safe to buy second hand stuff, or use 'next day delivery' from an ebay seller?  Are parcels perfectly safe?

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Aaron2017

[Eldorado]

5 minutes ago, Aaron2017 said:

Are parcels perfectly safe?

 

"Public Health England (PHE) has advised that people receiving parcels are not at risk of contracting the coronavirus (COVID-19).

"From experience with other coronaviruses, we know that these types of virus don't survive long on objects, such as letters or parcels.

"This complements the highly publicised guidance from PHE for people to wash their hands more often than usual using soap and hot water."

Parcelforce: Link

Royal Mail: Link

[Future_Ikann]

Hard surfaces such as plastics the virus can survive 72 hours. cardboard was like 48 hours. Personally i have bought ebay and amazon packages. Now, i do spray the boxes down with lysol outside and let sit an hour before i bring then in. But the items inside should be safe since shipping is running about 4-5 days now. 

[LV-426]

3 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

I don't give a flying **** what the latest tally of Deaths might be, Johnson, Nothing, nothing should give a leader of a "democratic" country the right to adopt such absolute dictatorial powers without even any pretence of allowing parliament to to have a say, or allowing any alternative opinion whatsoever. You're a dictator, Johnson, pure and simple, and it doesn't matter how panicky you might look for the cameras, you are, pure and simple, a dictator. 

 

I don't want to get too antagonistic in one of my first posts after such a long hiatus, but...

Did you completely lose your marbles while I was away!?

I mean, I recall your loathing of Johnson, but you are aware that all leaders around the entire globe are taking these unprecedented measures? Johnson didn't only receive the full backing of opposition parties - including Corbyn's approval - Shadow Health Secretary, Jonathan Ashworth, said on camera after the announcement that the Government should have implemented these measures sooner.

Very kind spirited of you to not "give a flying **** what the latest tally of Deaths might be" too. Maybe if you were in a high risk category yourself - as I am - or in the shielded group that received the twelve week lockdown notice today - as are some of my close family - you might have a little more human compassion.

If not, go and look at some of the heartrending stories we're hearing right now. The youngest victim in the UK over the weekend, at a mere eighteen years old. The twenty-five year old Iranian nurse that died on the floor of the hospital while trying to save lives. The Italian doctors breaking down in tears on camera as they're beyond overwhelmed, many having to bury their own colleauges, the authorities that can't cope with the number of bodies... and this is under lockdown measures.

What kind of numbers do you think we'd see if countries weren't locking down? Do you think countries finances would fare any better as their national health services get decimated?

Wake up man. It's time to pull together, and put other politics and rivalries on hold for a while. Even Nicola Sturgeon, who I can't normally abide, has presented herself in a dignified manner during this crisis. We aren't living in the same world we were a few weeks ago.

[Eldorado]

"London Underground commuters have been warned that if they do not stop packing into trains more people will die from coronavirus.

"Mayor of London Sadiq Khan issued the alert after photos showed crowds in Tube carriages for a second morning running."

BBC: Link

[Space Commander Travis]

I suppose Johnson will soon be making his daily Address to his People (or "Citizens", as we're now called in that incredibly patronizing text message I expect we all got,and it wasn't just me). I expect he'll be incandescent with fury that according to his spies and snitches (this now being a police state), some people are still not obeying his command to Stay Indoors and Do Not Take Advantage of Fresh Air and Sunshine. 

[Eldorado]

"Twenty-one coronavirus patients have died at a single London NHS Trust as the UK recorded its highest daily number of deaths from the disease.

"The Department for Health and Social Care announced another 87 deaths across the country on the first day of a nationwide lockdown to counter COVID-19.

"The total number of people to have died in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus now stands at 422."

Sky news: Link

[Tiggs]

3 hours ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

I suppose Johnson will soon be making his daily Address to his People (or "Citizens", as we're now called in that incredibly patronizing text message I expect we all got,and it wasn't just me). I expect he'll be incandescent with fury that according to his spies and snitches (this now being a police state), some people are still not obeying his command to Stay Indoors and Do Not Take Advantage of Fresh Air and Sunshine. 

We have always been at war with Fresh Air and Sunshine.

 

22 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. I find those statistics encouraging. 

I mean.. not so much for the 335 patients who died.. but... you get my point ? 

335 out of 6650 is a 5% mortality rate.

[Eldorado]

"As of 9am on 24 March 2020, a total of 90,436 people have been tested, of which 82,359 were confirmed negative and 8,077 were confirmed positive. 422 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died."

UK Gov: Link

[stevewinn]

1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

"As of 9am on 24 March 2020, a total of 90,436 people have been tested, of which 82,359 were confirmed negative and 8,077 were confirmed positive. 422 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died."

UK Gov: Link

Is there any figures of the number actually in hospital? Is it the 8,077? 

 

[LV-426]

46 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Is there any figures of the number actually in hospital? Is it the 8,077?

Seems really hard to get any accurate information on this.

Initially a limited number of people were being checked at test centres, pods in hospital car parks, at home etc. After Johnson announced "Britain was no longer in the “contain” phase" (source) testing was limited to acute cases in hospitals... along with profiteering private companies charging £400 a pop

The latest from the BBC seems to back this up:

Coronavirus testing: What is the UK government's plan?

"Currently only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you're not sure if you have the virus, you may well not be able to find out - even if you're working for the NHS."

So, the 8,077 likely includes positive early tests that either self-isolated with mild symptoms and recovered, or got worse and were hospitalized, along with more recent tests of the sickest and most vulnerable in hospitals.

TL;DR - My best guess is that a lot less than 8,077 confirmed cases are currently hospitalized.

Of course the real problem is the lack of testing, the best estimates I've seen suggest that you can multiple actual infections by around ten.

[Eldorado]

"Significant problems are being reported after an "incredible" number of benefit claims in recent days due to the economic fall-out of the coronavirus.

"At one point on Tuesday more than 100,000 people were trying to verify online applications and others spent hours trying to phone welfare staff.

"Many gave up after long phone queues and then being rejected by the system.

"The Department for Work and Pensions said it was redeploying existing staff and hiring others to cope with demand."

BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52028644

[stevewinn]

7 hours ago, LV-426 said:

Seems really hard to get any accurate information on this.

Initially a limited number of people were being checked at test centres, pods in hospital car parks, at home etc. After Johnson announced "Britain was no longer in the “contain” phase" (source) testing was limited to acute cases in hospitals... along with profiteering private companies charging £400 a pop

The latest from the BBC seems to back this up:

Coronavirus testing: What is the UK government's plan?

"Currently only people in hospital are being routinely tested, so if you have symptoms and you're not sure if you have the virus, you may well not be able to find out - even if you're working for the NHS."

So, the 8,077 likely includes positive early tests that either self-isolated with mild symptoms and recovered, or got worse and were hospitalized, along with more recent tests of the sickest and most vulnerable in hospitals.

TL;DR - My best guess is that a lot less than 8,077 confirmed cases are currently hospitalized.

Of course the real problem is the lack of testing, the best estimates I've seen suggest that you can multiple actual infections by around ten.

Why is the line being pushed about the NHS being in trouble. if so few are hospitalised nationally. Its starting to look like its London centric, hence why their setting up a field/bed hospital in London's docklands. (excel centre)

We have 3 major Hospitals in Liverpool and they are dealing with 35 people. you wouldn't expect that 35 people would put strain on the local hospitals.

Seen a piece in 'The Times' stating some health experts in a Oxford study believe half the UK population has already had the virus.

 

 

[Eldorado]

Tube remains packed as politicians row over service levels

ITV news: Link

[toast]

21 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Tube remains packed as politicians row over service levels

ITV news: Link

"Next stop Corona Cross"

I do not see any other place in London which has such a high risk to get infected than the tube. The politicos in charge should be tarred and feathered. Today. Broadcasted by livestreaming.

Edited March 25, 2020 by toast

[Setton]

46 minutes ago, toast said:

"Next stop Corona Cross"

I do not see any other place in London which has such a high risk to get infected than the tube. The politicos in charge should be tarred and feathered. Today. Broadcasted by livestreaming.

It's not the fault of politicians (mostly). It's the profiteering private sector insisting staff still come to work and putting key workers at risk. 

[RAyMO]

7 minutes ago, Setton said:

It's not the fault of politicians (mostly). It's the profiteering private sector insisting staff still come to work and putting key workers at risk. 

I cant disagree with the role of the private companies in this, they need to put people first. But the government cannot be exonerated - they can issue a order to stop the work. 

[Setton]

3 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

I cant disagree with the role of the private companies in this, they need to put people first. But the government cannot be exonerated - they can issue a order to stop the work. 

I absolutely agree the government needs to be clearer and stricter. 

However, they have said if work can be done from home, it should be. The overwhelming majority of jobs in London can be done from home if companies put the infrastructure in place. But that would cost money so they choose not to. 

[Eldorado]

13 hours ago, stevewinn said:

Is there any figures of the number actually in hospital? Is it the 8,077? 

 

I hope not.

"MONTHLY CRITICAL CARE BEDS AND CANCELLED URGENT OPERATIONS (MSITREP) DATA, ENGLAND

"Main Findings - January 2020:Critical Care Beds

•  There were 4,123 adult critical care beds open and 3,423 occupied, giving an occupancy rate of 83.0%. This is higher than the occupancy rate observed last month, which was 75.3%, and lower than in January 2019 (85.3%)

•  There were 312 paediatric intensive care beds open and 247 occupied, giving an occupancy rate of 79.2%. This is lower than the occupancy rate observed last month, which was 79.6%, and lower than in January 2019 (79.3%)

•  There were 1,439 neonatal critical care beds open and 1,024 occupied, giving an occupancy rateof 71.2%. This is lower than the occupancy rate observed last month, which was 71.5%, and higherthan in January 2019 (70.1%)."

NHS England Statistical Press Notice PDF: Link

Edit to add useful link: The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 at Legislation.gov.uk: Link

Edited March 25, 2020 by Eldorado

[SHaYap]

58 minutes ago, Setton said:

But that would cost money so they choose not to. 

It's also cheaper to hire an Indian guy or girl working from home in Mumbai... 

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