Eldorado Posted March 27, 2020 #451 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) "The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus in Scotland is now 1,059 - an increase of 165 from yesterday. "There have been 8 further deaths, taking the total in Scotland to 33. "There are currently 72 coronavirus patients in intensive care units." Glasgow Times Live (12:54pm): Link Edited March 27, 2020 by Eldorado 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted March 27, 2020 #452 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) Confused about a report I saw on Skynews yesterday. They should this footage (below) which shows people walking their dogs and doing their daily exercise. They are following the government's rules. Why are they being shamed? What gives? Edited March 27, 2020 by Aaron2017 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 27, 2020 #453 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Aaron2017 said: They are following the government's rules. Why are they being shamed? What gives? Like the people shown in the vid, you dont understand the meaning of the word "essential". And, if you see a need to balance on the edge of a government`s rule, then your focus is the wrong one. And a very bad one as well. Edited March 27, 2020 by toast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 27, 2020 #454 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) hihihi Edited March 27, 2020 by toast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted March 27, 2020 #455 Share Posted March 27, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 2:19 PM, toast said: Like the people shown in the vid, you dont understand the meaning of the word "essential". And, if you see a need to balance on the edge of a government`s rule, then your focus is the wrong one. And a very bad one as well. Government rules clearly state that people are allowed to walk their dogs and do one form of outdoor exercise per day i.e. walk / jog. The local beaches are crowded with people walking their dogs and jogging. The beaches are much closer to home. Does that make it right? The only safe alternative is to drive to a rural location where there are far fewer people there (just like the people in the video). I commend them. If you look at the comments under the video and the ratings you will see that the vast majority support those people walking their dogs in the countryside. Which is better? Beach close to home (50+ other people) or drive to the open countryside and see only 5 other people in sight? It doesn't take much thinking to see which location is safer. If the police are forcing people to walk on their local beaches, then they are increasing the risk. They should be advising people to drive to remote areas, not congested areas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 27, 2020 #456 Share Posted March 27, 2020 (edited) "UK's coronavirus death toll jumps by 181 to 759 in Britain's darkest day of the crisis yet as almost 3,000 more patients are diagnosed and even Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock catch it. "UK health chiefs today said the COVID-19 death toll stands at 759 - up by a third from 578 in the last 24 hours "181 more victims were confirmed in today's update, a 25 per cent spike from the 113 recorded yesterday" At the UK Mail: Link Birmingham Airport mortuary work under way BBC: Link Edited March 27, 2020 by Eldorado 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 27, 2020 #457 Share Posted March 27, 2020 "Italy has recorded 969 new coronavirus deaths, its highest daily figure in the outbreak so far. "It means 9,134 people have now died from the virus in the country." BBC: Link 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 27, 2020 #458 Share Posted March 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, Eldorado said: "Italy has recorded 969 new coronavirus deaths, its highest daily figure in the outbreak so far. "It means 9,134 people have now died from the virus in the country." BBC: Link And still we have people ranging from certain world leaders, through to some on these very forums who are adamant this is going to be over by Easter It should be added that the sharp increase was mainly in the north, which they thought was in decline. The south of Italy is where much of the concern is focused. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted March 27, 2020 #459 Share Posted March 27, 2020 10 hours ago, psyche101 said: Get this. We are to observe social distancing. Borders are closed. Essential staff only. Tomorrow we have to line up at polling booths or face a fine. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/27/queensland-elections-coronavirus-poses-lethal-risk-to-voters-experts-say A lot of primary elections here are being pushed back. My state's will now be held in June. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted March 27, 2020 #460 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, susieice said: A lot of primary elections here are being pushed back. My state's will now be held in June. That's what we should have done. I don't like the chances of the current mayor and pollies who insisted todays voting go ahead. I won't be voting for such irresponsible people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 28, 2020 #461 Share Posted March 28, 2020 It's always worth remembering the decent folk amongst all the negative news at the minute: Coronavirus: Off-duty nurse helps man after car crash 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 28, 2020 #462 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Cases in your area: Birmingham 366 Hampshire 317 Greater Glasgow and Clyde 299 Southwark 290 Sheffield 286 Lambeth 276 Surrey 271 Brent 265 Wandsworth 228 Croydon 219 Full list at the Guardian: Link 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 28, 2020 #463 Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) "Family hit by double tragedy as Heathrow immigration officer, 61, dies from coronavirus - followed by his pharmacist daughter, 33, the next day" UK Mail: Link Number of UK deaths rise by 260 - taking total to 1,019 Sky news: Link "120,776 coronavirus tests have taken place, with 17,089 positive results and 103,687 people testing negative." BBC: Link Edited March 28, 2020 by Eldorado 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted March 29, 2020 #464 Share Posted March 29, 2020 "An organ transplant consultant volunteering for the NHS frontline fight against coronavirus has died from the disease, it has been reported. "Dr Adil El Tayar, a working surgeon, died on Wednesday at West Middlesex University Hospital in Isleworth, west London, his family told the BBC. "His cousin, journalist Zeinab Badawi, paid tribute to the 63-year-old in a report for Radio 4's From Our Own Correspondent programme." Daily Record Scotland: Link "Brendan Wren, Professor of Microbial Pathogenesis at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, said the report of the further UK deaths "approximates to a person dying every five minutes in our hospitals from Covid-19". "He added: "With the doubling rate of infection every four/five days and the epidemic expected to peak in two/three weeks it is possible that we may get to much higher levels in the coming weeks before we see if the social distancing interventions have an impact." Daily Record: Link 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV-426 Posted March 29, 2020 #465 Share Posted March 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Eldorado said: "An organ transplant consultant volunteering for the NHS frontline fight against coronavirus has died from the disease, it has been reported. "Dr Adil El Tayar, a working surgeon, died on Wednesday at West Middlesex University Hospital in Isleworth, west London, his family told the BBC. "His cousin, journalist Zeinab Badawi, paid tribute to the 63-year-old in a report for Radio 4's From Our Own Correspondent programme." This is yet another warning to those who still compare this to flu. I read the other day that over forty doctors have died in Italy - that's doctors alone - not including all the other medical staff that I haven't seen figures for. Doctors don't typically die from treating flu patients! By the way, Eldorado, get to bed, don't you realize the clocks are going forward! Mind you, I don't suppose a lie in tomorrow is an issue for most of us at the minute... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 29, 2020 #466 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) How long are the Johnson loyalists going to give the idiot before they begin to rebel? How long before they begin to realise that this fanatical obsession with "slowing the spread of the Virus" is not a sign of a strong government that stands firm against evil, but a government that has no idea and all it can do is react in fury at something it has no control over? But I'm happy to let people collapse into sobbing hysterics of terror and beg the Government to protect them. With any luck the Government will collapse into itself through trying to do the impossible, and we'll be rid of the whole gang of them.Then perhaps the NHS, free of government interference, will be able to get on with doing its job, using its own expertise, rather than being used for propaganda purposes. Edited March 29, 2020 by Dumbledore the Awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 29, 2020 #467 Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 hours ago, LV-426 said: This is yet another warning to those who still compare this to flu. I read the other day that over forty doctors have died in Italy - that's doctors alone - not including all the other medical staff that I haven't seen figures for. Doctors don't typically die from treating flu patients! By the way, Eldorado, get to bed, don't you realize the clocks are going forward! Mind you, I don't suppose a lie in tomorrow is an issue for most of us at the minute... If you're exposed to all manner of conditions that the people you're treating have, particularly, in Italy, tuberculosis and other respiratory conditions which are very prevalent among the elderly population, you're obviously going to stand a much greater chance of picking up one or more of them aren't you. What people have been dying of is different things from this bloody virus. The virus just happens to be present, and might exacerbate the existing conditions, but might not even have anything to do with it but just be present. But everyone squeaks in terror "died of the cornovirus!" and runs around in circles waving their hands in the air and crying hysterically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted March 29, 2020 #468 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 3:52 PM, Aaron2017 said: Government rules clearly state that people are allowed to walk their dogs and do one form of outdoor exercise per day i.e. walk / jog. The local beaches are crowded with people walking their dogs and jogging. The beaches are much closer to home. Does that make it right? The only safe alternative is to drive to a rural location where there are far fewer people there (just like the people in the video). I commend them. If you look at the comments under the video and the ratings you will see that the vast majority support those people walking their dogs in the countryside. Which is better? Beach close to home (50+ other people) or drive to the open countryside and see only 5 other people in sight? It doesn't take much thinking to see which location is safer. If the police are forcing people to walk on their local beaches, then they are increasing the risk. They should be advising people to drive to remote areas, not congested areas. where did these people the beach image walk their dogs pre corona virus? thats where they should be walking them today - I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted March 29, 2020 #469 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: If you're exposed to all manner of conditions that the people you're treating have, particularly, in Italy, tuberculosis and other respiratory conditions which are very prevalent among the elderly population, you're obviously going to stand a much greater chance of picking up one or more of them aren't you. What people have been dying of is different things from this bloody virus. The virus just happens to be present, and might exacerbate the existing conditions, but might not even have anything to do with it but just be present. But everyone squeaks in terror "died of the cornovirus!" and runs around in circles waving their hands in the air and crying hysterically. what is your plan for dealing with it? Serious question - I am interested - I am no fan of Boris and Tories, if there's a better plan lets get it out there and stick it at them. Edited March 29, 2020 by RAyMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 29, 2020 #470 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Latest update from the US about the activities of the Grim Reaper Quote According to the cdc.gov Web site as of 8 AM EST on March 28: COVID-19: 1,711 Seasonal Flu: As many as 62,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 29, 2020 #471 Share Posted March 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, RAyMO said: what is your plan for dealing with it? Serious question - I am interested - I am no fan of Boris and Tories, if there's a better plan lets get it out there and stick it at them. For Government to get the **** out of it, stop using the NHS as a branch of the propaganda ministry (I wouldn't mind betting that most NHS employees simply trying to get on with their jobs throw up a little in their mouths out of sheer embarrassment every time our absurd Leader or the papers refer to them as "heroes" or campaign for them to be given a medal), and let those with the expertise coolly and professionally get on with advising those likely to be the most vulnerable what's advisable to do, and thereby stop panicking everyone unnecessarily and try to stop, if it isn't too late by now, the irrevocable damage they (Governemnt that is) are doing to the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted March 29, 2020 #472 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: For Government to get the **** out of it, stop using the NHS as a branch of the propaganda ministry (I wouldn't mind betting that most NHS employees simply trying to get on with their jobs throw up a little in their mouths out of sheer embarrassment every time our absurd Leader or the papers refer to them as "heroes" or campaign for them to be given a medal), and let those with the expertise coolly and professionally get on with advising those likely to be the most vulnerable what's advisable to do, and thereby stop panicking everyone unnecessarily and try to stop, if it isn't too late by now, the irrevocable damage they (Governemnt that is) are doing to the economy. But aren't lock downs, business closures etc., what the experts want? Isn't it the government that's dragging its heels, so as to minimise the economic damage. As to your comments about health workers, I have received comments and messages from NHS employees - basically along the lines - don't believe the hype - the govt have destroyed the NHS and are re-writing rules now, which will lead to increased risk for NHS staff. They are not fans of the govts PR, nor funding priorities, but most think Boris has done too little to follow the experts - not too much. Edited March 29, 2020 by RAyMO 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Commander Travis Posted March 29, 2020 #473 Share Posted March 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, RAyMO said: But aren't lock downs, business closures etc., what the experts want? all the more reason why experts in specialised fields should be kept separate from the functions of government. That may be what their computer-generated models tell them would be ideal in theory, but it needs to be balanced with what's possible, and an assessment of the advantages versus the disadvantages of what may be theoretically ideal and what's at all practical. Let the experts concentrate their expertise on treating those likely to be badly affected, rather than trying to "control the spread of the Virus", which is clearly impossibel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAyMO Posted March 29, 2020 #474 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: all the more reason why experts in specialised fields should be kept separate from the functions of government. That may be what their computer-generated models tell them would be ideal in theory, but it needs to be balanced with what's possible, and an assessment of the advantages versus the disadvantages of what may be theoretically ideal and what's at all practical. Let the experts concentrate their expertise on treating those likely to be badly affected, rather than trying to "control the spread of the Virus", which is clearly impossibel. yes it is practically impossible, so they are trying to spread the impact, and in doing so minimise the human cost. It almost seems that you are suggesting: let everyone get it and if a hundred thousand or so die, so be it, after all they were going to die someday anyway - but the economy will be better off! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted March 29, 2020 #475 Share Posted March 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said: all the more reason why experts in specialised fields should be kept separate from the functions of government. That may be what their computer-generated models tell them would be ideal in theory, but it needs to be balanced with what's possible, and an assessment of the advantages versus the disadvantages of what may be theoretically ideal and what's at all practical. It was exactly ^this^ scenario which made the spread such potent as it is now and the scientific "computer-generated models" predicted what we suffer today and in reality. It has been shown balance to be subject to the opinions of incompetent people (e.g. a former real estate agent with dementia), which is unacceptable and dangerous to millions of individuals. If, from the beginning on of the epidemic, responsible leaders (in China for example) had decided to perform precautionary measures like separation of the area involved at full scale possible, we would not have the problem we have today and on a global basis. Such action might look exaggerated in theory in general but even if such an action, or a few one, would result a false alarm only, the option to prevent a global disaster is given. In future, scientific driven assessment will become more important because we will not survive, at least not economical, a 2nd run of such an epidemic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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