Coronavirus cases confirmed in the UK

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On 5/11/2020 at 7:03 AM, freetoroam said:

More signs people will ignore.

I bet it won't hinder them from complaining that the "government" didn't do enough, fast enough to keep them safe and cuddly-warm while hiding at home.  I'm soon going to have to stop commenting on these types of threads before I get warned for being a nasty Git.  It just bothers me when I think of what life demanded from my parents and grandparents and how they handled themselves with pride and without complaints and then compare that to today in parts of America.

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On 5/12/2020 at 8:35 AM, RoofGardener said:

Umm.. I was just made aware of something.... 

COVID deaths in the UK.. about 30,000 as of 12th May. 

Covid deaths in mainland China so far. 4600. 

Huh ? 

Amazing, innit?  

I hear they can walk on water too.

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On 5/12/2020 at 10:18 AM, stevewinn said:

Yes quite easy. Stay two meters apart, wash hands. Stay at home and the Govt will pay 80% wages. 

The frightening part of this is the numbers of people today who think the government is a magical money machine and that economics aren't governed by LAWS.  We have Democrats over here that want to give everyone (except the EVIL 1%ers) 2000 dollars a MONTH.  These people allowed the cheese to slide off their sandwiches, collectively, sometime ago.  Either that or they are actually trying to crash the economy so they can pick up the pieces and tell everyone how to live.  I'm heartened to see more Americans telling their state governments to pound sand on this issue.

[odas]

So, we MUST go back to work  because of the economy  no matter the safety  and if we lose our lifes in this process   well it is ok   as long as the rich guys kids  parents  families are not affected  if we don't go to work   or  die  in this  process   robots  will replace us   fine   but   who   is  going  to   buy  stuff?    robots?

 

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10 hours ago, odas said:

So, we MUST go back to work  because of the economy  no matter the safety  and if we lose our lifes in this process

I assume you are exaggerating to make a point.  I never said anything about anyone being forced to go to work.  Those who are high risk should be allowed to continue to isolate but the numbers of seriously ill from this virus do not rise to the level that should require entire economies to shut down indefinitely.  The class warfare and hatred for people who are more financially successful is not a real part of this issue.   The people over here WANT to go back to work and get life back to some form of normalcy.  I tried to have a thread about the consequences of continuing the lockdowns indefinitely and no one seems to accept that our economies CAN COLLAPSE if we continue to force people to stay home.

In the U.S., Nancy Pelosi is fine tuning yet another magical money infusion of 3 TRILLION dollars.  That's on top of roughly 6-7 T they've already thrown at this problem.  Tell me, Odas, seriously, what do you think will happen to the U.S. economy if our representatives demand to spend several more TRILLION dollars that is fabricated out of thin air?

[stevewinn]

More proof that the media have frightened people to death.

Coronavirus: A&E visits in England down to record low

A&E visits in England have halved since the coronavirus outbreak started, dropping to their lowest level since records began.

Before the pandemic, about two million patients a month were visiting A&E but in April that dropped to 916,581.

NHS bosses are concerned seriously ill patients are being put off seeking treatment.

Drops in cancer referrals and routine operations were also seen as services were scaled back and staff redeployed.

'Come forward for urgent care'

The drop in A&E visits - to just above 900,000 in April - was the lowest since records began in 2010.

Before the coronavirus outbreak, more than 2.1 million patients a month were visiting A&E. In March that dropped to 1.53 million.

There is particular concern that patients who have suffered strokes and heart problems have stayed away because of fears over coronavirus.

NHS England clinical director for stroke Dr Deb Lowe said she and her fellow doctors were "really worried" that the numbers seeking help for stroke care had gone down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52654956

Don't forget - its Thursday once again. get out there and clap for the NHS. leave your neighbours in no doubt how much you love the NHS.

 

[Eldorado]

 

[stevewinn]

numbers still going down.

@Eldorado Your the UM in house chief NHS scandal poster. what are you picking up on the wires about the NHS sending patients back to care homes and infecting the place in the process.

[Eldorado]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

numbers still going down.

@Eldorado Your the UM in house chief NHS scandal poster. what are you picking up on the wires about the NHS sending patients back to care homes and infecting the place in the process.

The Care Quality Commission is reportedly investigating several cases after care home managers made the allegations.

Read more: UK Metro

 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Eldorado

[Eldorado]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

numbers still going down.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland stay at home and England are out.

Sounds more like the World Cup Finals, eh?

[stevewinn]

6 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland stay at home and England are out.

Sounds more like the World Cup Finals, eh?

It does. 

But England is the engine house of the United Kingdom. No one subs us. 

[Duke Wellington]

So we are supposed to go outside and clap the NHS again.

Am I the only one who thinks that seeing as we have the official highest death rate in Europe that they dont deserve it? 

Or are other countries fudging their figures?

[Setton]

On 5/13/2020 at 6:50 PM, stevewinn said:

There is no vaccine. 80% of people who get the virus will have NO symptoms. 20% will have mild flu like symptoms, 5% require Hospitalisation. 1% will die.

106%? This virus is even worse than we thought!

[Setton]

On 5/13/2020 at 6:50 PM, stevewinn said:

half the UK's deaths are now from care homes. so take away half the deaths from the total of the 33.135 deaths. and your left with roughly 16,576 deaths

That's just not true. The 33000 figure is just hospital deaths, not care homes. If you had care homes, it's something like 45-50000.

[Setton]

12 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

So we are supposed to go outside and clap the NHS again.

Am I the only one who thinks that seeing as we have the official highest death rate in Europe that they dont deserve it? 

Or are other countries fudging their figures?

So the NHS is to blame because you're incapable of staying home and not infecting people?

Nice logic, anything to dodge responsibility eh?

[Ozymandias]

 

18 hours ago, stevewinn said:

It does. 

But England is the engine house of the United Kingdom. No one subs us. 

Looks like it alright. Globally the virus has been in 215 countries and you are second only to the USA in total number of official deaths. According to the official figures (the true figures will be higher, no doubt) one in every nine people who died from Covid-19 worldwide were UK subjects. Second only to Trump's United States. Of course, time will give us a truer picture of things. It always does. Maybe then you will slip down the rankings. In terms of deaths per million you are only in 3rd or 4th place, I think.

But how can anyone be surprised? Your own incompetent government were very lax about it, going for herd immunity until the consequences of it became blindingly obvious and the outcry was everywhere, claiming they were following the science but not showing example by appearing on camera in close contact with others and stupidly advising the public that they continued to shake hands with everyone, even in hospitals where there were Covid-19 patients. Is it any wonder they themselves caught the disease and that the virus has had a field day.

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24 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

 

Looks like it alright. Globally the virus has been in 215 countries and you are second only to the USA in total number of official deaths. According to the official figures (the true figures will be higher, no doubt) one in every nine people who died from Covid-19 worldwide were UK subjects. Second only to Trump's United States. Of course, time will give us a truer picture of things. It always does. Maybe then you will slip down the rankings. In terms of deaths per million you are only in 3rd or 4th place, I think.

But how can anyone be surprised? Your own incompetent government were very lax about it, going for herd immunity until the consequences of it became blindingly obvious and the outcry was everywhere, claiming they were following the science but not showing example by appearing on camera in close contact with others and stupidly advising the public that they continued to shake hands with everyone, even in hospitals where there were Covid-19 patients. Is it any wonder they themselves caught the disease and that the virus has had a field day.

I didn't know it had become a competition, to many variables in counting between countries and population densities. UK.England one of the most densely populated in Europe Ireland one of the least.

yeah just checked deaths per million. UK 4th on the list, Ireland 8th. what's your excuse. 

 

 

[Ozymandias]

40 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I didn't know it had become a competition, to many variables in counting between countries and population densities. UK.England one of the most densely populated in Europe Ireland one of the least

Normally with me it's not. But if you hadn't noticed, my tolerance for the jingoistic exceptionalism exhibited by certain UK members on this forum has worn thin. Their comments about Ireland, other EU countries and the EU itself are obnoxious and I'm beginning to react to it in my idle moments when I've little else to do. You may also have noticed my penchant for numbers, statistics and maths generally, so at times I like to throw figures into a 'debate' wherever they seem appropriate and to provide some context and added information. 

40 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

yeah just checked deaths per million. UK 4th on the list, Ireland 8th. what's your excuse. 

No. I don't think this is correct. The UK is 6th on the Worldometer rankings in this regard, not 4th. But I'm open to correction. I just took a brief look at the numbers.

[Eldorado]

Another decrease... maybe the worst is over, eh.

 

[stevewinn]

16 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Normally with me it's not. But if you hadn't noticed, my tolerance for the jingoistic exceptionalism exhibited by certain UK members on this forum has worn thin. Their comments about Ireland, other EU countries and the EU itself are obnoxious and I'm beginning to react to it in my idle moments when I've little else to do. You may also have noticed my penchant for numbers, statistics and maths generally, so at times I like to throw figures into a 'debate' wherever they seem appropriate and to provide some context and added information. 

No. I don't think this is correct. The UK is 6th on the Worldometer rankings in this regard, not 4th. But I'm open to correction. I just took a brief look at the numbers.

I used German based Statista.

As your telling me your new to all this  "if cant beat 'em join 'em" next time make sure Ireland's doing considerably better (than Trumps America) before casting the the first stone. now you've drawn attention to it, Ireland's doing terrible when you look at population size & density, - and with Ireland's health care system ranking lower than the NHS. you could be in trouble. oh dear. but do what you normal do send them over here.

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11 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

Another decrease... maybe the worst is over, eh.

 

I was looking earlier out of 41 NHS trusts 31 of them only had 1 new case and the rest had single figures.

Going down, im yelling timber.

Today’s reported figure is 186 deaths in hospitals in England. these deaths are distributed back to the 10th of April: 172 (92%) deaths were in the last week, and 14 (8%) occurred more than 7 days ago.

and just add a bit more detail. Deaths by Age England. to 14 May.

• 0-19 Yrs : 13
• 20 - 39 Yrs : 180
• 40 - 59 Yrs : 1935
• 60 - 79 Yrs : 9410
• 80+ : 12,808

in a population of 55 million (England; Hospitals only)

Edited May 15, 2020 by stevewinn

[Ozymandias]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

I used German based Statista.

As your telling me your new to all this  "if cant beat 'em join 'em" next time make sure Ireland's doing considerably better (than Trumps America) before casting the the first stone. now you've drawn attention to it, Ireland's doing terrible when you look at population size & density, - and with Ireland's health care system ranking lower than the NHS. you could be in trouble. oh dear. but do what you normal do send them over here.

Unfortunately that Statista table is not accurate. It omits countries with populations of less than one million. Two of these have death rates higher than the UK's and, in certain classifications, have better health care rankings than does the UK, as do the health services of many other European countries like Italy and Spain.

Regarding Ireland's health services (which I have had occasion to depend on more than once), according to the World Health Organisation (WHO) rankings, the UK is one place ahead of Ireland in terms of spending per capita and in terms of overall health system performance. I wouldn't crow too loudly about your NHS. It may have pioneered the way as an exemplar for the development of national health services in other countries but many have surpassed it. And, as an institution, it could not function without foreign nationals who work in it.

That unattributed 'Exclusive' headline you quote - can you give me a source. I would like to see what that is actually about.

PS: You also said: 'Ireland's doing terrible when you look at population size & density.' Can you give me the info on this along with its source. Much appreciated. It will save me searching.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Ozymandias

[stevewinn]

8 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

Unfortunately that Statista table is not accurate. It omits countries with populations of less than one million. Two of these have death rates higher than the UK's and, in certain classifications, have better health care rankings than does the UK, as do the health services of many other European countries like Italy and Spain.

Regarding Ireland's health services (which I have had occasion to depend on more than once), according to the World Health Organisation (WHO) rankings, the UK is one place ahead of Ireland in terms of spending per capita and in terms of overall health system performance. I wouldn't crow too loudly about your NHS. It may have pioneered the way as an exemplar for the development of national health services in other countries but many have surpassed it. And, as an institution, it could not function without foreign nationals who work in it.

That unattributed 'Exclusive' headline you quote - can you give me a source. I would like to see what that is actually about.

PS: You also said: 'Ireland's doing terrible when you look at population size & density.' Can you give me the info on this along with its source. Much appreciated. It will save me searching.

 

 

No, Statista table is more than adequate, its up to date, who is going to bother with countries of less than one million people. seriously.

you know its bad when you have to compare your country to cities. cough i mean countries of less than 1 million people to make stats look better.

HSE ah yes, but does Ireland the resources if things go worse, for the source click the headline banner. it'll take you to the source.

as for your request for a second source, i would oblige, but you don't even have to google, look at the list of countries, and you must know off hand the rough density of countries.

2 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

I'm beginning to react to it in my idle moments when I've little else to do. You may also have noticed my penchant for numbers, statistics and maths generally, so at times I like to throw figures into a 'debate' wherever they seem appropriate and to provide some context and added information. 

Its clear you've got time. i haven't.

 

 

[Ozymandias]

21 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

No, Statista table is more than adequate, its up to date, who is going to bother with countries of less than one million people. seriously.

People who want to be accurate about the information they are disseminating, of course.

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you know its bad when you have to compare your country to cities. cough i mean countries of less than 1 million people to make stats look better.

But you are the one who compared Ireland to other countries in your post #967. Where did I make any comparison between Ireland and other countries? As regards one of those countries with less than a million people it also happens to be the 10th most densely populated country in the world! 

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HSE ah yes, but does Ireland the resources if things go worse, for the source click the headline banner. it'll take you to the source.

Your headline is 9 months old and, as I suspected, misleading. It is about securing ongoing assurance that NHS hospitals - like Great Ormonde Street -  will continue to receive and treat Irish patients after Brexit who require certain organ transplants. And, of course, such NHS hospitals will be fully paid for their services. 

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as for your request for a second source, i would oblige, but you don't even have to google, look at the list of countries, and you must know off hand the rough density of countries.

Its clear you've got time. i haven't.

What is clear, Steve, is that you haven't got the source. Do you? As I observed above, one country with a population less than a miilion is the 10th most densely populated in the world and has the 9th highest death rate per million from coronavirus. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Ozymandias

[stevewinn]

Just now, Ozymandias said:

People who want to be accurate about the information they are disseminating, of course.

But you are the one who compared Ireland to other countries in your post #967. Where did I make any comparison between Ireland and other countries?  

Your headline is 9 months old and, as I suspected, misleading. It is about securing ongoing assurance that NHS hospitals - like GHreat Ormonde Street -  will continue to receive and treat Irish patients after Brexit who require certain organ transplants. And, of course, such NHS hospitals will be fully paid for their services. 

What is clear, Steve, is that you haven't got the source. Do you?

You've dropped a clanger when you posted comparing deaths like it was a competition a level only you sank to. - you haven't recovered. now your posting to go around the houses to bury the clanger.

your big and ugly enough to google

• population size by country.
• population density by country.

anyway you shouldn't even have to google it. and if you do then why don't you. such a strange request.