Habitat 8,593 #101 Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: Only if there is one set future I have enough difficulty with just the one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jujo-jo 1,778 #102 Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Habitat said: I don;t think we know, you can have intuitions that don't involve seeing the future, similarly clairvoyance, psychic abilities, if we accept they exist, but prediction of the future messes with free will. Seemingly ! Good answer! So true! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imaginarynumber1 22,820 #103 Posted February 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Habitat said: Don't worry, I already believe some here are half-mad. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Habitat 8,593 #104 Posted February 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: "They" say that people who think they are mad, aren't, but people who insist they are not mad, might be. Maddening ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XenoFish 108,034 #105 Posted February 2, 2020 If these prophets and psychics can actually predict the future, why aren't they winning the lottery. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 71,361 #106 Posted February 2, 2020 2 hours ago, XenoFish said: If these prophets and psychics can actually predict the future, why aren't they winning the lottery. and preventing wars and disasters. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XenoFish 108,034 #107 Posted February 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Piney said: and preventing wars and disasters. Instead they "chase ambulances". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom1200 1,148 #108 Posted February 2, 2020 (edited) On 2/1/2020 at 4:58 AM, Imaginarynumber1 said: I was banned for a while. My 'unique' commentary was just ahead of its time. ... doesn't that make YOU a bit of a prophet? How far is 'just ahead'? Can you comment on, say, next week's lottery results? Or have you lost this ability, hence the past tense 'was'? Precognition is a bit of a catch-22. If I dream that London is about to be attacked again by knife-wielding morons then I'm either right or wrong. If I do nothing and it happens - was that a premonition or just a statistical likelihood? But if I am so convinced of exactly where and when it will happen I might call the authorities. Even if they dismiss me as a crank (and add me to various surveillance lists) they might send extra police to the location just in case, persuading the would-be terrorists to change their minds. Or I could hang around the location waiting for something to happen and attract the attention of the law, which in turn prevents an attack. Or I might have got a few details wrong, like the date, the location, the type, the number involved, but still 'close enough' to convince gullible followers that I'm psychic. That's certainly the approach of AoL - "I predict earthquakes, births, deaths, erm... politicians, erm... oceans... the Moon changing shape... terrorist attacks in Europe... erm..." And I have yet to see any detailed prediction, certified as made before the occasion, that could pass as an accurate version of unknowable events. (Please nobody quote Nostradamus's utterly ambiguous nonsense in response.) I had a thought. Not a very good one, but bear with me. If Muskrat is right and we're living in a computer simulation there must be something running this, right? And once in a while these systems have glitches or the thing watching gets bored. So maybe a snippet of 'now' is accidentally/deliberately introduced into 'then' which continues to play from there. Will the same future occur twice or will the knowledge be enough to alter it? Catch-22 again. Like the first time you play a game and you choose not to pick up a small hammer, but you then need it later to smash the glass to access the fire extinguisher that saves your life. So next time you play you pick up the hammer. Your character must be thinking - why did I do that dumb thing? What use is a tiny hammer against fire-breathing dragon-orcs? Sorry for the rambling gibberish - it's Sunday afternoon here and I'm a little bit tipsy. But of course all you prophets already knew that! Edited February 2, 2020 by Tom1200 punctuation 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XenoFish 108,034 #109 Posted February 2, 2020 Hey xeno why do you have such a negative view of prophets? https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/02/prophet-asks-for-50-m-to-resurrect-kobe-bryant-and-his-daughter/ Gee, let me think... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imaginarynumber1 22,820 #110 Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, XenoFish said: Hey xeno why do you have such a negative view of prophets? https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/02/prophet-asks-for-50-m-to-resurrect-kobe-bryant-and-his-daughter/ Gee, let me think... That's all it takes to resurrect someone? I thought it would involve more blood magic. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jujo-jo 1,778 #111 Posted February 8, 2020 Prophets predict the future, they are not superheros and they dont have armies.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Piney 71,361 #112 Posted February 8, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 1:25 PM, XenoFish said: Hey xeno why do you have such a negative view of prophets? https://www.patheos.com/blogs/thefreethinker/2020/02/prophet-asks-for-50-m-to-resurrect-kobe-bryant-and-his-daughter/ Gee, let me think... Quote Meanwhile Right Wing Watch reports that another imbecile – American conspiracy theorist Chris McDonald, above, has suggested that “witchcraft” was used by Hillary Clinton to cause Bryant’s death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XenoFish 108,034 #113 Posted February 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jujo-jo said: Prophets predict the future, they are not superheros and they dont have armies.... They don't predict the future, they make guesses. At most all they do is create what is know as a self-fulfilling prophecy. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lightly 8,647 #114 Posted February 8, 2020 Some predictions turn out to be wrong. A prediction needn't be correct to be a prediction. ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raptor Witness 2,473 #115 Posted December 3, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 2:05 PM, Jujo-jo said: Prophets predict the future, they are not superheros and they dont have armies.... Actually, that’s incorrect. Some acclaimed prophets in the Old Testament were instructed to give direct orders to material substance, which transformed, both in a symbolic and historic sense. This is actually more impressive than a “superhero.” Whether you choose to believe the evidence, is another matter. Immediately following the Holocaust, in May of 1948, the State of Israel was reborn on the Earth, and has yet to be defeated in war, since. QuoteThe Valley of Dry Bones Ezekiel 37:1-14 New International Version 37 The hand of the Lord was on me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley; it was full of bones. 2 He led me back and forth among them, and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. 3 He asked me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” I said, “Sovereign Lord, you alone know.” 4 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to these bones and say to them, ‘Dry bones, hear the word of the Lord! 5 This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. 6 I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.’” 7 So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I was prophesying, there was a noise, a rattling sound, and the bones came together, bone to bone. 8 I looked, and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them, but there was no breath in them. 9 Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath;(I) prophesy, son of man, and say to it, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.’” 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet—a vast army. 11 Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the people of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ 12 Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: My people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. 13 Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. 14 I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.’” 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
