Will Due Posted February 11, 2020 #226 Share Posted February 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Kenemet said: With a hundred authors, things fall through the cracks. The Urantia Book is such a book. It has dozens of authors and between them all, eventhough what's written in it is highly controversial, absolutely NOTHING is contradictory. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted February 11, 2020 #227 Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Will Due said: The Urantia Book is such a book. It has dozens of authors and between them all, eventhough what's written in it is highly controversial, absolutely NOTHING is contradictory. All of it is highly contradictory to the geological/paleontological record 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 11, 2020 #228 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Essan said: All of it is highly contradictory to the geological/paleontological record Yes, which is highly controversial but not contradictory with all the other things it says. Especially those things that resolve the so-called contradictions of the Bible, who God really is, who Jesus really is and what religion really is. Edited February 11, 2020 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted February 11, 2020 #229 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Will Due said: Yes, which is highly controversial but not contradictory with all the other things it says. Especially those things that resolve the so-called contradictions of the Bible, who God really is, who Jesus really is and what religion really is. Moot points for a newfangled religion. Give me the real Old Time Religion... the Sumerians, Chinese, Egyptians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 11, 2020 #230 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Kenemet said: Moot points for a newfangled religion. Give me the real Old Time Religion... the Sumerians, Chinese, Egyptians. Akhenaten then? Quote The teachings of Amenemope were slowly losing their hold on the Egyptian mind when, through the influence of an Egyptian Salemite physician, a woman of the royal family espoused the Melchizedek teachings. This woman prevailed upon her son, Ikhnaton, Pharaoh of Egypt, to accept these doctrines of One God. The Remarkable Ikhnaton Edited February 11, 2020 by Will Due Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted February 11, 2020 #231 Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Will Due said: Akhenaten then? The Remarkable Ikhnaton My LEAST favorite pharaoh. No, I like the original version of the Egyptian religion. Not the weird Akhenaten one where only the royal family talks to god and you give offerings to the royal family and the supreme deity is whatever the royal family says it is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 11, 2020 #232 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kenemet said: My LEAST favorite pharaoh. No, I like the original version of the Egyptian religion. Not the weird Akhenaten one where only the royal family talks to god and you give offerings to the royal family and the supreme deity is whatever the royal family says it is. Oh How about something real primitive like the ancient ghost cults? Quote Death was feared because death meant the liberation of another ghost from its physical body. The ancients did their best to prevent death, to avoid the trouble of having to contend with a new ghost. They were always anxious to induce the ghost to leave the scene of death, to embark on the journey to deadland. The ghost was feared most of all during the supposed transition period between its emergence at the time of death and its later departure for the ghost homeland, a vague and primitive concept of pseudo heaven. Ghost Fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted February 12, 2020 #233 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Will Due said: Oh How about something real primitive like the ancient ghost cults? Ghost Fear Those are only recorded in relatively modern times -- and they're cults, not religions. Sumerian and Egyptian and Chinese religions are the oldest recorded religions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Due Posted February 12, 2020 #234 Share Posted February 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, Kenemet said: they're cults, not religions. All religions are cults. Quote But a cult—a symbolism of rituals, slogans, or goals—will not function if it is too complex. And there must be the demand for devotion, the response of loyalty. Every effective religion unerringly develops a worthy symbolism, and its devotees would do well to prevent the crystallization of such a ritual into cramping, deforming, and stifling stereotyped ceremonials which can only handicap and retard all social, moral, and spiritual progress. No cult can survive if it retards moral growth and fails to foster spiritual progress. The cult is the skeletal structure around which grows the living and dynamic body of personal spiritual experience—true religion. Nature of Cultism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted February 12, 2020 #235 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I like to observe the sunset. I make it my goal to do so every night I’m not playing golf if possible. Tonight I was able to enjoy it with no wind, so it was especially nice. Anyway, when I watch the sunset and observe darkness fall to illuminate the stars and planets....I get a peaceful easy feeling. That is my religion. Well it’s part of it. It’s a meditation for me. I reflect upon the day at that time and I re-learn some fundamental “truths” because I’m that thick headed and need to learn my lessons a lot. I reflect and consider that life is hard and good. Each day reflects that we must struggle to survive, and that there are good times and bad times all the time. That’s what life is. Anyway.....the Bible does express what I did to some degree - actually Solomon crushed it - But you have to wade through a whole bunch of BS to find positive things IMO - and I don’t like that. I feel that God would be much more precise if he were to write a book. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #236 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Guyver said: I feel that God would be much more precise if he were to write a book. I wasn't aware she was in the writing business. I'm tipping she isn't pleased with people who make that claim ! The writers have yet to produce the franchise agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted February 12, 2020 #237 Share Posted February 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, Habitat said: I wasn't aware she was in the writing business. I'm tipping she isn't pleased with people who make that claim ! The writers have yet to produce the franchise agreement. Ok. Not really sure what you’re talking about. Have you been saucing a little? If it’s not you, it’s prolly me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #238 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Guyver said: Ok. Not really sure what you’re talking about. Have you been saucing a little? If it’s not you, it’s prolly me. No, not me. Suffice to say, there is nothing to say the bible is the "word of God" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted February 12, 2020 #239 Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Habitat said: No, not me. Suffice to say, there is nothing to say the bible is the "word of God" How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #240 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Guyver said: How so? We absolutely know those words were produced by humans, as for being the "word of God", pure conjecture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver Posted February 12, 2020 #241 Share Posted February 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, Habitat said: We absolutely know those words were produced by humans, as for being the "word of God", pure conjecture. Oh, I’m sorry. I misunderstood you. It was my fault. You are absolutely correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 12, 2020 #242 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Guyver said: I feel that God would be much more precise if he were to write a book.. He did.. Or to be more precise he told Jesus exactly what to say, so Jesus's words are God's words, how kool is that!- Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49) After his execution, some people said "Hey let's write it all down for posterity before we forget it.", and that's a bingo, the first gospels were written..Beats me why people today think they have to study the entire Bible when Jesus can be found in any slimline gospel like this one for a few pennies from bookshops or free from most Christian groups. If people can't lock on to Jesus with one of these, they might as well go whistle Dixie, because all the intensive hard study of the whole Bible ain't gonna help them one iota- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #243 Share Posted February 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Crikey said: Or to be more precise he told Jesus exactly what to say Not like this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 12, 2020 #244 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Like this- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 12, 2020 #245 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Like father, like son.. "You numbnuts are going up the spout!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #246 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I suspect he was quite an unworldly chappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted February 12, 2020 #247 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Crikey said: He did.. Or to be more precise he told Jesus exactly what to say, so Jesus's words are God's words, how kool is that!- Jesus said - "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak" (John 12:49) After his execution, some people said "Hey let's write it all down for posterity before we forget it.", and that's a bingo, the first gospels were written..Beats me why people today think they have to study the entire Bible when Jesus can be found in any slimline gospel like this one for a few pennies from bookshops or free from most Christian groups. If people can't lock on to Jesus with one of these, they might as well go whistle Dixie, because all the intensive hard study of the whole Bible ain't gonna help them one iota- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted February 12, 2020 #248 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted February 12, 2020 #249 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I laughed at that, onlookerofmayhem, which is very likely a sin in itself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted February 12, 2020 #250 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said: In christian theology christ died to remove original sin from everyone It is this which then allows an individual's thoughts and behaviours (intha t same theology ) to determine their salvation or damnation Jesus didn't die to absolve you of your individual sins This requires confession of the sins(ie admitting them to the victim authorities and god) sincere repentance and a promise to try to avoid that sin in future, and making recompenses restitution for any harm done THEN your own individual sins can also be forgiven if all aspects of the process are genuine and sincere. Christ CAN be the intercessor for confession of these individual sins You don't need a priest but also you can confess direct to god the father Christ is the popular choice for confession of individual sins because he became man and understands mankind . He can be a conduit to god the father, in christian theology 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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