Where Does The Impeachment Leave U.S?

[WanderingFool0]

I am certain Trump is going to finish out his eight years to placate the conservatives and patriots and continue to release the steam of their frustration and anger, that built up under the eight years of Obama. Then unfortunately, for those on the right it, will be another democrat for another eight years to release the steam they built up under eight years of Trump. And that is the way it has been for the longest time and don't really see it changing any time soon, because it is working really well so far to keep the people in check.

It doesn't really mater though, because the real owners of America; the true deep state which runs on both sides of the aisle and throughout the military industrial intelligence complex, the banks and the corporations, will own and control what ever president takes the seat along with a majority of the modern us aristocracy; congress, and will be the only ones to get real representation from the federal government. Since Kennedy was assassinated the deep state has been firmly in control of the presidency and congress.

And though I personally believe that Trump's love of America and for the people is genuine, I still think he is firmly controlled and is just another puppet working for the same globalists. They played him like a Trump card on the conservative patriot community, who were all staunch anti- NAFTA and anti-North American Union under Obama, but now all across the net a majority of those same people will argue for NAFTA and the North American Union; now that it has been rebranded, renamed and renegotiated as the USCMA. Apparently, for them it wasn't selling out America's National Sovereignty to the North American Union that was the problem, it was that America got a crappy deal and Trump got them a better one just like he said he would.

They completely neutralized that opposition with one election. And he was there guy even though they pretended he wasn't, because his entire run from the beginning was based on the current zeitgeist of the people and on the internet. Before Obama was out of office and even ran, there were many people of all political alignments on the internet complaining about the economy, both parties being corrupt, the trade deals and the average person and the middle class all feeling the economic squeeze. It was no surprise to me, when his entire run was based on those points and he of course won the election.

A similar thing happened with Obama and the current zeitgeist on the net and in society, before he ran and it is why right out of the gate he locked in on the buzzwords Hope and Change. You heard the need for change in both parties and government coming from the masses all across the net before that election cycle.

And the reason that Trump had so much trouble with his party and the media during his run, is because the people would never buy him as an outsider and believe he was going to drain the swamp otherwise.

I have been watching politics for most of my life and never had a party. Being an outsider on the system allows one to appreciate the wrestling pageantry of the two party political circus we have had longer then I have been alive.

Edited February 7, 2020 by WanderingFool0
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[Michelle]

3 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

If voting is important to someone, it should be up to them to ensure that their information is current.  Otherwise, they are the only one responsible for getting purged.

They have plenty of opportunity when they "go to town" every few weeks, as the saying goes. 

[Doug1029]

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Meddling has not been established (present tense), it was established long ago.  This is an action of a sovereign state.  It's not so much as*fitting* for them to do it as what is in the best interest of each nation?  But you seem to forget that Obama withheld aid to about 7 nations.  His apparatus hacked into Merkel's Iphone.  And Obama was trying to influence the Israeli elections.  Those are just the things we know about.  He was obviously not interested with the Russian meddling.  At least not until the plan to dig up dirt on Trump was hatched.  Obama knew Hilary didn't have a chance.

OK, then.  Is it proper for Germany and/or France to support Bernie Sanders' campaign with advertising or financial contributions to PACs that support Bernie?

Doug

[RavenHawk]

6 minutes ago, Michelle said:

They have plenty of opportunity when they "go to town" every few weeks, as the saying goes. 

Those in the city when they take their weekly bus trip downtown for any number of checks and services, can take care of that then as well.

[Doug1029]

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

You need to come to New Mexico.

Spent a summer near Ute Park and several years near Chama.  Spent quite a bit of time on Tierra Amarilla.  Beautiful country.  Would like to retire there, but there are so many other nice places to retire, too.  How am I ever going to decide?

Doug

[Doug1029]

13 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

If voting is important to someone, it should be up to them to ensure that their information is current.  Otherwise, they are the only one responsible for getting purged.

Good point.  My wife and I are getting passports so we can still vote if the state doesn't get its act together before all.  Might be handy for some traveling, too.

Doug

[RavenHawk]

5 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

OK, then.  Is it proper for Germany and/or France to support Bernie Sanders' campaign with advertising or financial contributions to PACs that support Bernie?

Doug

*Proper* is such a loaded word.  But fine, yes, it might be proper for them.  It would also be proper then, for our government to thwart those actions.  That is the game.

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Those in the city when they take their weekly bus trip downtown for any number of checks and services, can take care of that then as well.

Really?  We that live in cities go "downtown" for our checks and services and no doubt other free stuff and handouts eh?    And we all live in those 80 story tall office buildings too no doubt and constantly pan handle from the other needy people who live in the city where it costs $2k a month for a one bedroom apartment  

[Michelle]

12 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

OK, then.  Is it proper for Germany and/or France to support Bernie Sanders' campaign with advertising or financial contributions to PACs that support Bernie?

Doug

Is it proper for other states to donate money to another states elections? It kind of ticks me off when people from California make commercials and donate money for whoever progressive is running in the South.

[RavenHawk]

14 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

Spent a summer near Ute Park and several years near Chama.  Spent quite a bit of time on Tierra Amarilla.  Beautiful country.

Those are very beautiful areas.

[RavenHawk]

14 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

Good point.  My wife and I are getting passports so we can still vote if the state doesn't get its act together before all.  Might be handy for some traveling, too.

Doug

Me and my wife renewed our passports for the very same reason.

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

I still think that the Clinton impeachment was unwise.  It wasn't so much that he used the White House to satisfy himself, it was the coverup after.  But the remedy for that would have been to let the voters decide.  But it's the other Clinton that has more serious and documented crimes to be prosecuted.  I think that the October Surprise will center around Hilary's indictment and that's right after she steals the DNC nomination in a brokered convention.

Are you kidding? She's lowered her aspirations to the Vice Presidency but no Candidate would touch her with a ten foot pole. She's thrice cursed.

[Uncle Sam]

56 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Is it proper for other states to donate money to another states elections? It kind of ticks me off when people from California make commercials and donate money for whoever progressive is running in the South.

Like they know everything about the other state. Californians just want to control the rest of United States and make it in their image.

[Big Jim]

2 hours ago, Uncle Sam said:

Like they know everything about the other state. Californians just want to control the rest of United States and make it in their image.

That's a scary thought.

 

[Doug1029]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

*Proper* is such a loaded word.  But fine, yes, it might be proper for them.  It would also be proper then, for our government to thwart those actions.  That is the game.

Is it then proper for a candidate, again Sanders for our purposes, to accept a campaign contribution from a foreign government?

Doug

[Doug1029]

3 hours ago, Michelle said:

Is it proper for other states to donate money to another states elections? It kind of ticks me off when people from California make commercials and donate money for whoever progressive is running in the South.

For one state to donate money for another state's election?  I don't think so.  But it is done all the time by private individuals running for office.  I get a dozen or more solicitations from out-of-state every day.  The only way I can affect the outcome of a national election is to donate to those campaigns.  Oklahoma has gerrymandered the state so that Democratic votes don't count.  But that is what single party government is all about.

Doug

[Doug1029]

2 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Are you kidding? She's lowered her aspirations to the Vice Presidency but no Candidate would touch her with a ten foot pole. She's thrice cursed.

You mean like Sarah Palin?

Doug

[RavenHawk]

6 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Are you kidding? She's lowered her aspirations to the Vice Presidency but no Candidate would touch her with a ten foot pole. She's thrice cursed.

Not Vice, but President.  It’s still a long way to June, but Hilary still has some control over the DNC so anything is possible.

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

Is it then proper for a candidate, again Sanders for our purposes, to accept a campaign contribution from a foreign government?

Doug

This is where “proper” is getting you in trouble.  “Proper” in who’s point of view and how in-the-open is the payment?  Is it a gift?  What are the current laws governing such things?  One has to also consider if it was “proper” for Obama to offer aid to Netanyahu’s opposition?  I think this is why China signed that phase one trade deal because Xi knew Trump was going to win and wanted to get on his good side, because their situation is deteriorating more than we know.  Trump has them by the cajones, like he has just about all his other opposition.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

This is Backwater, Oklahoma.  We're not up-to-date in a lot of things.

I'm sure even Backwater, OK. gets more respect than coastal Alabama.  Fortunately, most of us couldn't care less what the rest of the country thinks about us as long as we know it isn't true  

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Big Jim said:

That's a scary thought.

 

If I thought it was possible, I think I'd be ready for the ground combat.  No way will filth like that put a boot on my neck while I have the strength to resist at all.

[bee]

8 hours ago, WanderingFool0 said:

And though I personally believe that Trump's love of America and for the people is genuine, I still think he is firmly controlled and is just another puppet working for the same globalists. They played him like a Trump card on the conservative patriot community, who were all staunch anti- NAFTA and anti-North American Union under Obama, but now all across the net a majority of those same people will argue for NAFTA and the North American Union; now that it has been rebranded, renamed and renegotiated as the USCMA. Apparently, for them it wasn't selling out America's National Sovereignty to the North American Union that was the problem, it was that America got a crappy deal and Trump got them a better one just like he said he would.

 

welcome to UM......   

I disagree with what you say that Trump is 'another puppet working for the same globalists'....

If he was he wouldn't be attacked so viciously by the MSM and various others (like John Brennan
for example) .......24/7....

And when it comes to USCMA (which I believe Canada hasn't ratified yet...? ) this would be
to simply make improvements for America on the existing NAFTA agreement... maybe Canada
hasn't ratified it yet because they are dragging their heels because under Trudeau they are
100% committed to Globalization and the USCMA agreement is a move away from that ....
ie for Globalism to take a next big step forward America has to be weakened economically
and socially... ready for the North American Union.... and under Trumps Presidency... USCMA
is a move away from Globalism for the reason I've just speculated on...

As a businessman he isn't going to just get rid of NAFTA..?... too much business and investment
would be tied up in it....

And remember that on the very first day of his Presidency he did what he promised and pulled
the US out of the Trans Pacific Partnership - no Globalist Puppet would have done that....

would have been allowed to do that....

 

[+Hammerclaw]

6 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

You mean like Sarah Palin?

Doug

She bombed on healthcare reform and lost to Obama in a primary and lost to Trump who even Bernie could have beaten and is married to a man who cheated on her, time and again. The woman is a loser whose husband only became President because Gore was too chicken to run against Bush Senior and because Ross Perot divided the electorate. Slick Willie Clinton won on a plurality vote, not a majority. No one wants her and the baggage she brings with her. She's finished. 

Edited February 8, 2020 by Hammerclaw

[RoofGardener]

14 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

OK, then.  Is it proper for Germany and/or France to support Bernie Sanders' campaign with advertising or financial contributions to PACs that support Bernie?

Doug

No, I don't think it would be proper. Indeed, it could be viewed as a Hostile Act, or even an act of war ? 

Having said that.. why would Germany or France WANT to support Bernie Sanders' campaign ? What's in it for them ? d

[RavenHawk]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

No, I don't think it would be proper. Indeed, it could be viewed as a Hostile Act, or even an act of war ? 

Having said that.. why would Germany or France WANT to support Bernie Sanders' campaign ? What's in it for them ? d

Well now, this is where it would become interesting.  Depending on how the MSM would play it, they could push a campaign on how noble it would be to remove Trump.  If it then becomes a noble effort, many would view aid from other nations as the “proper” thing to do.  Germany and France would be acting in good faith as good allies helping to remove a corrupt individual.  The voters can’t be trusted to do the “proper” thing.

 

Don’t let this “moderate” Democrat label throw people.  All the Dem candidates are Progressive (Socialist).  Bernie is honest and he states that he is Socialist.  That just gives the others the opportunity to separate them from him by saying, “see, we’re not Socialist” but they are.  They all raised their hands in like the first two debates that they would give free healthcare to illegals.  Now they are proposing this “New Way Forward”.  – Red Flag!

 

Socialists are so self-destructive.  Then just can’t win when the electorate are allowed to vote the way they want and not the way the Socialists want.  I think that if I was a Democrat, that I’d be voting for Bernie, if for no other reason that he is the only honest one there (as honest as possible).