Where Does The Impeachment Leave U.S?

[Doug1029]

21 minutes ago, simplybill said:

This wasn’t directed toward me, but I wanted to jump in and support President Trump. Donald Trump’s business-friendly administration has added jobs and increased wages in our country. We’re currently living in the closest thing to a Worker’s Utopia that we’ll ever experience. 

This fact-checking article makes some good points:

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/fact-checking-eleven-trumps-claims-state-union

The first thing I noticed in this article is the part about Trump presenting a student "trapped" in a public school with a scholarship.  In fact, she was a student at a charter school.  This set off the red flags.  Though the article is technically correct, it didn't tell the whole story and is misleading.  What other details is it being less-than-honest about?

1.  Manufacturing.  Trump's numbers are correct, or nearly so, in most cases, but he forgot to mention that thirteen economic indicators join seamlessly with Obama's presidency.  Trends started by Obama have continued into the Trump administration.  Trump is not the cause.  This is a standard political trick used by every president.  If it is good, I started it; if it is bad, I got it from my predecessor.  Obama did that with Bush; Trump is doing so with Obama.

2.  Trump says the US has become the No. 1 producer of oil and natural gas.  That's true, but he forgot to mention that the reason is the invention of hydraulic fracking and discoveries of two new oil fields during the Obama administration - the Permian Basin and the Baaken.

3.  Employment among minorities has fallen to record lows.  That's true.  There are lots of McJobs out there.

4.  Under the Trump administration over 7 million people have come off welfare.  True.  Trump ended or defunded the programs, dumping people who needed help.

In his most-recent budget, Trump has reduced funding to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security by almost two TRILLION dollars.  If you are on SS, or about to go on it, this will cut your benefit check (the one you spent a lifetime paying for) by half.  This is what he calls "reducing unemployment."  Social Security is not an "entitlement" program.  It's one that the citizen buys by paying into an account for his entire working life.  Personally, I think this is a bargaining trick - he will offer to restore these programs in exchange for something else the Dems didn't want to give him in the first place.  Anyway, this budget proposal is DOA when it reaches the House.

5.  Wages for low-paid workers are rising faster than previously.  True.  This is a reversal of a short-term trend, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta.

6.  Health insurance premiums more than doubled before Trump took office.  Misleading.  Government exchange healthcare premiums more than doubled.  In other insurance program, changes were much less.

7.  Trump says 132 lawmakers endorsed "socialist" programs that would wipe out health care insurance for 180 million Americans.  Not true.  The program he is referring to is Medicare-for-All which does away with private health insurance, replacing it with a govt-run program.  Those who want to carry higher amounts of insurance can still do that.  The govt only sets the minimum standard.  This would solve the "mandate" problem of Obamacare in which the courts ruled that the govt couldn't force someone to buy something they didn't want.  This way, if you don't want to pay for health insurance, you just use the govt-provided insurance.

8.  Trump says health care under Medicare-for-All would be free.  Wrong.  The amount you were paying in insurance premiums, you would now be paying in taxes.  For most, zero net change.  For someone like me, a 71-year-old with a disabled daughter, that would result in savings of about $500 per month.  Is it fair for me to foist my higher costs off onto people who otherwise wouldn't have those costs?  My life changed forever in about three seconds.  Yours could do the same.  For a certain percentage of you, that is in your future.

9.  Trump's wall.  Over 100 miles have been completed.  Another 400 are expected in the next year.  The problem?  Most illegal immigration comes from people over-staying their visas.  We let them in.  The wall can't stop that.  This wall is going to be a lot less than successful at stopping illegal immigration.

10.  ICE arrests.  True.  Most of these were people already wanted by the regular courts.  Hopefully, these arrests prevented some other crimes, but we have no evidence to support that.

11.  ISIS and Al-Bagdadi.  True.  Forgot to mention that US withdrawal from northern Syria released hundreds of ISIS prisoners that we're going to have to round up again, or kill.

 

The article's bullet points are mostly true, but also mostly misleading.  The truth is (mostly) not in them.

Doug

[Doug1029]

3 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Good lord, Doug...everyone (except you) knows the Dossier is fraudulent.  It has been derided as such since the day it was made public and the many intervening months since have only brought more proof of that.  Same goes for the Mueller report.  In fact, both Mueller AND his report have now disappeared in ignominy and disgrace for the falsehoods and lies they tried to promote.

Any decent researcher would have long-ago dropped these badly tainted frauds as useful sources and gone elsewhere for their fact-finding.  Not you, though.

As an inveterate optimist, I'm thinking that your misfortune with your hip may actually have saved you from untold professional embarrassment, given your tendency to follow tainted "facts".

Another silver-lining in all of this is that you may not have to sweat paying back those student loans after all...you may well be entitled to a refund.

Right-wing claptrap.

Any decent researcher would read them in detail and cross-reference what they say with other documents, news stories, etc. coming out at the time.  I have not done a lot of this, but you, apparently, haven't done any.  So far, all you have done is repeat innuendo and rumor.  Back up what you're saying if you want to be believed.  "everyone" is not an acceptable authority.

Doug

[ian hacktorp]

3 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

So far, all you have done is repeat innuendo and rumor.

Seriously, Doug, innuendo and rumor is the entire length, depth, and breadth of both the Dossier and Mueller report you cling to so devoutly.

When you try to debunk the above-linked article by saying: "Though the article is technically correct, it didn't tell the whole story and is misleading.  What other details is it being less-than-honest about?", why do you not utilize the same skepticism about the Dossier, which is NOT "technically correct" and is overtly misleading?

Any researcher worth his salt would apply skeptical rigor equally, regardless of the subject.  You're not doing that.

[simplybill]

@Doug1029

The manufacturing uptick began under Obama, but it likely would have grown very slowly, or even reversed, under a Hillary administration. Hillary, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren all have a tendency to paint Big Business as an enemy of the people, whereas President Trump considers Big Business to be an asset to the people. I agree with him. As a 40-year Union member, I prefer an administration that supports the company I work for. That business-friendly atmosphere was what caused the economy to begin growing so quickly under the Trump administration.

The McJobs are as important as public education. The skills learned in entry-level jobs aren’t taught in school; they’re learned thru on-the-job experience. Customer service, job loyalty, non-athletic teamwork, timeliness and other skills are the foundation of future employment. 

The work- and education-Visa programs, while not perfect, at least have some semblance of structure and vetting. The border problem is a free-for-all. I’m all for allowing people to cross our borders, as long as they obey our rules for entry.

I’m not as familiar with the other points in the SOTU, so I won’t comment on them.

Edited February 9, 2020 by simplybill

[Doug1029]

6 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

When you try to debunk the above-linked article by saying: "Though the article is technically correct, it didn't tell the whole story and is misleading.  What other details is it being less-than-honest about?", why do you not utilize the same skepticism about the Dossier, which is NOT "technically correct" and is overtly misleading?

I started doing that with the Dossier, but you didn't want to talk about it.  Assuming that it is true, and the same for Mueller, there should be other documents out there that corroborate them.  How about I find some so you can debunk them?  That should be easier for you than Mueller - he did too good a job - 34 indictments.

In the meantime, I am asking you to present some evidence that Mueller's Report is not reliable, that it says things that are provably false.  For that matter, why don't you reference some mistakes in the Steele Report?  Intelligence reports often contain stuff that can't be proven true.  Find something false and prove it is false by reference to other, reliable sources.

PS:  why am I not being skeptical when I apply some skepticism to an article you like?

Doug

[ian hacktorp]

Here's an article that conveniently popped up a just few minutes ago.

Perhaps Doug can elaborate on why any "decent researcher" would find the Mueller report OR the Steele Dossier still worthy of any credibility whatsoever:

Key witness told Team Mueller that Russia collusion evidence found in Ukraine was fabricated.

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One of Robert Mueller’s pivotal trial witnesses told the special prosecutor’s team in spring 2018 that a key piece of Russia collusion evidence found in Ukraine known as the “black ledger” was fabricated, according to interviews and testimony.

 “The ledger was completely made up,” cooperating witness and Manafort business partner Rick Gates told prosecutors and FBI agents, according to a written summary of an April 2018 special counsel’s interview.

Gates’ account is backed by several Ukrainian officials who stated in interviews dating to 2018 that the ledger was of suspicious origins and could not be corroborated.

If true, Gates’ account means the two key pieces of documentary evidence used by the media and FBI to drive the now-debunked Russia collusion narrative — the Steele dossier and the black ledger — were at best uncorroborated and at worst disinformation. His account also raises the possibility that someone fabricated the document in Ukraine in an effort to restart investigative efforts on Manafort’s consulting work or  to meddle in the U.S. presidential election.

https://justthenews.com/key-witness-told-team-mueller-russia-collusion-evidence-found.html

Edited February 9, 2020 by hacktorp

[Doug1029]

5 minutes ago, simplybill said:

@Doug1029

The manufacturing uptick began under Obama, but it likely would have grown very slowly, or even reversed, under a Hillary administration. Hillary, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren all have a tendency to paint Big Business as an enemy of the people, whereas President Trump considers Big Business to be an asset to the people. I agree with him. As a 40-year Union member, I prefer an administration that supports the company I work for. That business-friendly atmosphere was what caused the economy to begin growing so quickly under the Trump administration.

Hillary lost.  What would have happened or wouldn't have under her administration is a moot point.

For the first two years of his administration Trump used Obama's budget.  I suspect that has more than a little bit to do with his economic success.  In any event, you would have a better argument had economic indicators suddenly changed slope when Trump took office.

9 minutes ago, simplybill said:

The McJobs are as important as public education. The skills learned in entry-level jobs aren’t taught in school; they’re learned thru on-the-job experience. Customer service, job loyalty, non-athletic teamwork, timeliness and other skills are the foundation of future employment. 

McJobs are important - for high schoolers just entering the labor market.  But my local Burger King is staffed entirely by people whose jobs vanished in the last recession.  So are three other restaurants I often visit and my local Walmart is crawling with employees older than I am.  The jobs that are needed are not there.

We used to have an Evinrude plant here.  It was unionized, so Evrinrude moved to Wisconsin where their new employees promptly unionized.  Did my heart good.  But the jobs taken by seniors are not available to high schoolers.  And that's a problem for high schoolers as well as seniors.

18 minutes ago, simplybill said:

The work- and education-Visa programs, while not perfect, at least have some semblance of structure and vetting. The border problem is a free-for-all. I’m all for allowing people to cross our borders, as long as they obey our rules for entry.

They obey our laws while crossing, or they wouldn't get in.  It's after their visas expire that they become illegals.

Doug

[Doug1029]

16 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Here's an article that conveniently popped up a just few minutes ago.

Perhaps Doug can elaborate on why any "decent researcher" would find the Mueller report OR the Steele Dossier still worthy of any credibility whatsoever:

Key witness told Team Mueller that Russia collusion evidence found in Ukraine was fabricated.

https://justthenews.com/key-witness-told-team-mueller-russia-collusion-evidence-found.html

Refresh my memory:  wasn't Gates indicted?

I haven't got time to look into this just now.  But the only way it could support your claim that Mueller is not reliable is if it can be shown that Gates was telling the truth.  We can't take his word for it because that involves circular reasoning.  So what other evidence do you have?

Doug

[ian hacktorp]

5 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

I haven't got time to look into this just now.  But the only way it could support your claim that Mueller is not reliable is if it can be shown that Gates was telling the truth.  We can't take his word for it because that involves circular reasoning.  So what other evidence do you have?

According to the article I've linked, Gates' testimony is backed by numerous individuals within Ukraine.  You would know that if you had read it.

Perhaps when you get some time, you will...it's not very long.

[simplybill]

21 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

For the first two years of his administration Trump used Obama's budget.  I suspect that has more than a little bit to do with his economic success.  In any event, you would have a better argument had economic indicators suddenly changed slope when Trump took office.

Yes, he used the the budget he inherited, but that goes for every President. It was President Trump’s positive business outlook that really sparked the economy. If you look at the DJIA in the month leading up to the election, the trend is downward. In the month following the election, the DJIA began a rapid rise that is still continuing. Business confidence is the most important component of a healthy economy. No confidence = no expansion.

Regarding the job situation: jobs are more than just about money. A senior citizen (such as myself) is much better off being part of a team than being at home collecting unemployment checks. It’s psychologically healthier, even if it’s not the best job out there.

The good jobs are returning. More employees = more management jobs and more small businesses to cater to the growing workforce. Ultimately it’s a win-win.

 

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, hacktorp said:

Seriously, Doug, innuendo and rumor is the entire length, depth, and breadth of both the Dossier and Mueller report you cling to so devoutly.

When you try to debunk the above-linked article by saying: "Though the article is technically correct, it didn't tell the whole story and is misleading.  What other details is it being less-than-honest about?", why do you not utilize the same skepticism about the Dossier, which is NOT "technically correct" and is overtly misleading?

Any researcher worth his salt would apply skeptical rigor equally, regardless of the subject.  You're not doing that.

They do seem to have a problem with digging deep when it doesn't accrue to their political benefit.  I watched this next piece and if it's accurate, the Left is about to lose its mind and the media go into full attack mode to protect Biden and son.  It is an astounding piece of information and I have no reason to believe it is fabricated.

 

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

That should be easier for you than Mueller - he did too good a job - 34 indictments.

Yet, you and others here never even acknowledge the fact that NOT ONE of those indictments or plea deals are in any way related to the reason that investigation began.  The reason that matters is because you are clearly implying that they represent proof that Trump was guilty of the accusations about meddling in the election.  That is dishonest at best.  If you want to accuse him of hiring shady types, you'd have an argument.  To ignore the truth makes you guilty of dishonesty.  

Trump will be gone in either one or at most four years.  The dignity and respect that his haters destroy now will be gone forever.  Is sticking it to ONE politician, one who is actually improving the daily lives of millions of Americans, really worth that amount of damage?  Or do you think it will all stop after he leaves?  

[Gummug]

On 2/6/2020 at 2:27 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

DUDE! really, low blow. There’s a time and a place, and when a fella’s facing potentially terminal cancer that isn’t the time!

I am kind of wondering if I would have made a statement like that if,  say,  N. Pelosi had cancer.  I hope not...

[Uncle Sam]

2 hours ago, and then said:

They do seem to have a problem with digging deep when it doesn't accrue to their political benefit.  I watched this next piece and if it's accurate, the Left is about to lose its mind and the media go into full attack mode to protect Biden and son.  It is an astounding piece of information and I have no reason to believe it is fabricated.

 

They want to believe Trump is guilty. Can't spell believe without LIE.

Edited February 10, 2020 by Uncle Sam

[Raptor Witness]

I think the whole Biden thing will quickly fade away, unless he wins South Carolina, which is growing more uncertain by the hour.

Nepotism is hardly new in Washington, and anyone who believes this, are still playing with their imaginary friends, or their shadow.

The Right are hanging their hopes that senile Joe Biden is a looming threat, which is laughable. If he still had his mental faculties, maybe ..... but he doesn’t. He likely can barely find the rest room, so give him a break.

[Raptor Witness]

On 2/6/2020 at 9:19 AM, Raptor Witness said:

.....women are the repositories of new innocence.

 

 

[RavenHawk]

4 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

I understand that you guys have re-defined "conservative" in such a way as to

We haven’t redefined it.  We have stopped allowing the Left to define who we are.

 

exclude conservatives like Nixon, Reagan and Papa Bush. 

Interesting that you try to equate those three together.  They couldn’t be any more different.  Nixon and Bush were Establishment (RINO).  One from the 50’s era and the other of the ‘Kinder and Gentler’ generation.  Not saying that was bad, just didn’t consider that they really weren’t all that Conservative.  No one knew at the time that the Left had been slowly setting up the Republican Party into this definition by identity politics.  Reagan was a true Conservative among those three.  He was breaking with expectations.

 

Nowadays, they could not be nominated by the Republican party. 

I doubt that FDR or JFK could be nominated by today’s Democrat Party.

 

But as far as I am concerned, people who call themselves "conservatives" ARE right-wing,

Talk about uber general.  That’s why I don’t like the terminology even though I will use it for convenience.  Left/Right are better defined by which side is for more government control and which one is for minimal government control.  The key being the protections of individual Rights.  The more government there is, the more Rights are lost.  That’s really all you need to know.

 

especially now that honest conservatives have been excluded from the party.

The TEA Party brought back the honesty of the Classical (anti-Federalist) Conservative.  We haven’t been kicked out like the Classical (Federalist) Liberal has been kicked out of the Democratic/Progressive (Socialist) Party.  Conservatives are not necessarily Right-wing and all Right-wing (Establishment, Alt) are not Conservatives.  Trump finally made that distinction clear.  The Real Conservative is actually more of a mix between Federalist and anti-Federalist.  The spirit of our system is still alive.

 

The things I advocate are classic liberal policies, things that made this country great for working people. 

Two things, one, I don’t think you are advocating Classical Liberal policies.  The Classical Liberal would not be advocating rewriting the Bill of Rights.  And two, you give the Democratic Party way too much credit.  The Industrial Revolution changed life on this planet, not the Democrat Party.  The condition of the regular worker had changed drastically.  Improvements in that condition for the better would have happened anyway as happens with all growth.  This was a natural, slow changing process.  The fate of the worker is better than the proletariat.  But the Democrats had to make ‘business’ out to be basically evil.  That’s not so great for the workers.  The two should work together, not against one another.  Unfortunately, that is the path that the Dems dragged us down.  We have a lot of work ahead of us to fix that misperception.  We first need to heal the division between business and the workforce.  Every Man, Woman, and Child should aspire to being an entrepreneur.  But the Left fears such independence.  We need to eradicate the identity politics of the Left that pits one against the other.

 

The Democrats have drifted away from this of late and the Rubs have taken refuge in La La Land. 

The Progs were just drifting anyway and just happened to run across something they could use as a cause (a life line).  Socialism has dragged them further to the Left.  Where the cause should be individual rights (freedoms) and not identity politics.  No doubt that the Republicans had succumbed to Socialist policies and retreated into la la land, but Trump is here now, showing the way.  The Conservatives in Congress have found a new swagger to take on the Left.  Soon, Trump won’t be the only one running a full court press.  The forgotten worker will be forgotten no more.  The economy will be hitting on *ALL* cylinders!  No longer are we going to have the days like under Obama and his “New Normals”.

 

What I want is competent, honest government where civil rights are respected. 

Then you do not want Socialism.  Socialism is the source for corruption in our system and Socialism does not respect the rights of the individual.  By definition, it puts the needs of the state ahead of the individual.  That is civil rights to the Left.  Got to make sure all the cogs are operational.

 

I want to retire and be able to know that my Social Security is safe - not threatened by a party trying to govern by dogma. 

What do you think Socialism is?  Its core is dogma.  To be fair, both parties raid SS, that is why reform is needed.  A new plan, something more feasible and sustainable.  Maybe draw people into having more of an investment into this nation?

 

I want a balanced budget - not one breaking new deficit records every day. 

All Presidents run a deficit, but Obama pretty much broke the system by doubling the debt.  Now Trump is stuck with it.  But he seems to have a plan.  If you grow the economy, revenues will rise and the debt can be brought down.  That doesn’t happen overnight.  But Congress will need to be fiscally responsible too.  The only things government should be spending on are, defense, infrastructure, and paying down the debt.  Anything else should be a power returned to the individual states under the 10^th Amendment.

 

I want a government that makes it possible for people to work, rather than punishing them for not working.

Socialism has been responsible for that.  Socialism must ensure that everyone gets an equal outcome.  That means the lowest common denominator.  It must quelch incentive and innovation.  The best thing a government can do is to get out of the way of people working.  The government is not an employment agency.  The government needs to play umpire, not regulator.  True, we can’t have no regulation but it needs to be minimal, i.e. controls on monopolies which kill a free market.

 

Two nights ago I went to the store.  Alright, it was Walmart.  There was a disabled couple ahead of me trying to figure out the vagaries of buying food using a WIC card.  The man looked at me and said, "I suppose you thin I'm awful, being on welfare." 

I’ve been there.  I know how it feels.  But I picked myself up (by the bootstraps), dusted myself off, and got back into the game.  Now I realize that this gentleman has a different situation than I did.  It was just me and I was able bodied.  But this is what the Progressives have done.  This man should be supported by his state and faith-based charities.  Not the federal government.

 

I said, "Why would I think that?  I don't know anything about you."  He explained that both his wife and child had crippling diseases and would not survive too much longer.  He was on the WIC program because the only way he could get medical coverage for them was to be unemployed.

That’s Progressive sensibilities.  Sort of a pre-rationing stage.  Conservatives would want to see him working.  It would improve his mental health.

 

That is what conservative government has wrought. 

It is both.  The Socialists for trying to drag everybody down and the Republicans being complacent.  If Trump gets his second term and Conservatives regain the house and retain the Senate, this will change.  It is usually a good idea to have power split between the parties, but in this case, we need to get things done for the people of this nation in this coming term.  And the Left needs to be put in its place.  Republicans better not disappoint or there will be hell to pay!  They want power and most turn out to be no better that the Socialists.  That’s basically aiding and abetting.  Trump has a great chance to set everything right for a long time to come.  I’m not a Pollyanna but even if it is just a short respite from the inevitable, it will be worth it.  Mankind will just have to wait for a few more centuries before Freedom tries springing up again.

 

We are ready to let people die for want of medical care,

We are far from that.  People die under rationing.  Dismantling Obamacare has gone a long way to stop the cycle of government rationing.  You can’t promise people that their coverage is going to be there when the government just does not have the resources.  The need will always outstrip the resources.

 

or force people who want to work onto welfare just for our political purity. 

Trump is changing this.  Fewer people are on foods stamps and welfare.  More people are working and keeping more of their money.

 

Trump and his followers oppose such compassionate care. 

Compassion is more than having a bleeding heart.  It means caring.  You can promise the sky for that instant gratification, but it doesn’t help those in need.  This shows precisely why the federal government should not enslave its people under dependency.  The government should never put itself in such a position over the people.  That is why we have limited government.

 

That is one more reason why he must go.

No, the only reason never-Trumpers want him out is because of the TDS.  He absolutely destroys the Socialist ideology.  Trump is the Golden Goose, providing this nation with prosperity.  Who in their right mind would want to kill the Golden Goose?  You don’t have to answer that since you are not in your right mind.

[Doug1029]

On 2/9/2020 at 10:30 PM, Gummug said:

I am kind of wondering if I would have made a statement like that if,  say,  N. Pelosi had cancer.  I hope not...

We don't know about you, but there are some on here who would have no trouble making a comment like that about Pelosi.  If you need further proof:  check out what they're saying about Biden on this thread.

Doug

[Uncle Sam]

Impeachment 2.0 is gearing up. Democrats never learn. *Sighs.* If they go ahead with this, they will never ever get into office for the next 30 years.

[Doug1029]

On 2/12/2020 at 11:18 PM, Uncle Sam said:

Impeachment 2.0 is gearing up. Democrats never learn. *Sighs.* If they go ahead with this, they will never ever get into office for the next 30 years.

There's a long list of things Trump could be impeached for, but there isn't time.  Campaign season is here.  That means no impeachments before Election Day.  After Election Day, impeachment may not be necessary.

Assuming Trump wins re-election, he will still have a majority or near-majority in the Senate.  He will still be impeachment-proof.  So Dems will have to wait until 2022.  Even a "landslide" in 2022 will probably not be enough to give them a guaranteed super-majority in the Senate.  So impeachment remains a shaky proposition for the rest of Trump's time in office.  The Dems only real hope is a victory in November.

Doug

[Uncle Sam]

6 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

There's a long list of things Trump could be impeached for, but there isn't time.  Campaign season is here.  That means no impeachments before Election Day.  After Election Day, impeachment may not be necessary.

Assuming Trump wins re-election, he will still have a majority or near-majority in the Senate.  He will still be impeachment-proof.  So Dems will have to wait until 2022.  Even a "landslide" in 2022 will probably not be enough to give them a guaranteed super-majority in the Senate.  So impeachment remains a shaky proposition for the rest of Trump's time in office.  The Dems only real hope is a victory in November.

Doug

What makes you think they are going to work on their policy to get back moderates? These last 4 years show they don't care, they care more about forcefully removing instead of voting a president out. Now because of their actions of trying to forcefully remove him from office, they can't vote him out either because all the moderates have jumped ship. People are sick of the Dem's temper tantrum.

[Doug1029]

22 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

What makes you think they are going to work on their policy to get back moderates? These last 4 years show they don't care, they care more about forcefully removing instead of voting a president out. Now because of their actions of trying to forcefully remove him from office, they can't vote him out either because all the moderates have jumped ship. People are sick of the Dem's temper tantrum.

Conservatives are sick of the "temper tantrum."  The rest of us are hoping to vote him out in November.  And our chances look good:  we're winning special elections and we're leading in the polls, for what they're worth.

Doug

[Raptor Witness]

Former DOJ officials call on Attorney General William Barr to resign - ABC News 2-17-2020

More than 2,000 former Department of Justice officials are calling on Attorney General William Barr to resign, according to the group Protect Democracy ....

....The nonpartisan, nonprofit group said that the attorney general has "flouted" the fundamental principal of equal justice.

_____________________________________

Wow, 2,000 is a lot of non-partisan, former colleague, votes, to impeach a sitting AG. That's like the entire national bar voting against you. Trump's impeachment acquittal or not, unless Trump can somehow transform himself into the Dark Lord by some form of magic,  I suspect that we're now seeing the beginning of the end for the Trump presidency. Perhaps his cabinet will help the Republican's escape their dark legacy.

Coupled with the release of the new book called Dark Towers, this may be the kiss of death for the Trump oligarchy. While the revelations aren't really all that new, seeing the entire context put in front of you, does raise more eyebrows.  

How is it that the American people were so easily conned by what, according to Mike Bloomberg, the elite of New York call.... "a barking circus clown?"  

Perhaps the time has come for the AG to release his fangs from the American People. The show is over ....

 

Edited February 18, 2020 by Raptor Witness