Talon Posted February 12, 2005 #26 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Again people have went of the thread No we didn't, we're talking about world poverty which is why their coming here in the first place. The places they're leaving are doing something wrong... I blame the leaders of the countries they're leaving. Of course and the leaders of the rich capitalist nations are guilt of nothing, despite holding over these poor nations millions debt-bills which could be used to feed their people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 12, 2005 Author #27 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Right i will AGAIN keep this where it should be,britian being told lies about imigration and a sh** scheme to blind you all to make it all sound good before an election What if BRITIAN didnt hand out every thing that i a tax payer gets through hard work,do you think people would still be willing to come here from all over the world Remember more than half of these people cross between 3 to 7 borders just to settle here ,i wonder why I wonder if it has some thing to do with free schooling Free eye testing Free housing Free health care Social security...All types of free benifits the word FREE would wont to make me come here even if i stayed on MARS Even the ones that can pay a traffiker 10.000 pounds to come here ...why,with that kind of money in there home land they would seem like millionaires Come to BRITIAN we are all mugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunarmdscissor Posted February 12, 2005 #28 Share Posted February 12, 2005 Really worried that terrorism could take hold. That's how the terrorists work, they get into a country or get enough muslim population into a given country, then they start terrorism (take over) in that country. Look at Spain....and now France is having problems. OMG this part in particular That's how the terrorists work, they get into a country or get enough muslim population into a given country, then they start terrorism intelligent..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 13, 2005 #29 Share Posted February 13, 2005 What if BRITIAN didnt hand out every thing that i a tax payer gets through hard work,do you think people would still be willing to come here from all over the world No, they'd stay in Spain and Italy after crossing the Med. However that doesn't change the fact their comming here to begin with is the greed of capitalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 13, 2005 #30 Share Posted February 13, 2005 No, they'd stay in Spain and Italy after crossing the Med. However that doesn't change the fact their comming here to begin with is the greed of capitalists. The 'greed' of capitalists? As if all 'capatilists' are greedy. Why do you think capatilists are greedy? The bottom line is the bottom line and the bottom line is always profits. If you can't be profitable in a business venture, why continue it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 13, 2005 #31 Share Posted February 13, 2005 The 'greed' of capitalists? As if all 'capatilists' are greedy. Why do you think capatilists are greedy? The bottom line is the bottom line and the bottom line is always profits. If you can't be profitable in a business venture, why continue it? This is strange. You ask why capitalists are greedy, then proceed to answer your own question. Capitalists are greedy because they follow something Joc called Capitsalism (its were they get their name), which comes from the word Capital (as in money). Capitalism advocates the maximisation of profits in industry for those who own the methods of production. This system means that some are rich (so much so they don't know what to do with their money) and others as so poor they have to have 10 children just to know at least 1 isn't going to die of disease before their 5. And Capitalists don't give a damn that hundreds of babies die every day of poverty so long as they have their big house and 2 cars. And somehow from this, you manage to miss the part that involves greed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted February 14, 2005 #32 Share Posted February 14, 2005 This system means that some are rich (so much so they don't know what to do with their money) and others as so poor they have to have 10 children just to know at least 1 isn't going to die of disease before their 5. I don't believe it's a zero-sum game, more where people are free to trade with who they want for mutual benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 16, 2005 Author #33 Share Posted February 16, 2005 labour`simmigration policy was in disaray last night,a home office minister declared there were no limits on the number of over sea`s workers who can find jobs here,tony blair only recently pledged new rules would cut the number of immigrants then charles clark underminded the prime Minister by calling for even more immigrants to come here to work and study Mr Blairs promise to clamp down only a week ago has been shot to pieces already Sir andrew green of Migration watch UK said,this is more evidence of the governmens open door policy Mr brown in the mean time is trying to get 2.000.000 people of welfare and back into work,where will the jobs come from if they have been snaped up by immigrants,or do we send them all home when we have used them untill not needed HIV,TB,up 20%and 75% in sub-Saharan Africa Sex diseases chlamydia,syphilis and gonorrhoea are increasing at alarming rates But if you mention it blair`s cronnies will call you RACIST wE HAVE GOT TO GET OUR COUNTRIE BACK IN ORDER AND NOT BE FRIGHTENED INTO SPEAKING OUR MINDS,DONT LET LABOUR FOOL YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 16, 2005 #34 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I don't believe it's a zero-sum game, more where people are free to trade with who they want for mutual benefit. Trade? Thats only for those with resources to do so. And what happens to the majority who have no such currency? They die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 16, 2005 Author #35 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I don't believe it's a zero-sum game, more where people are free to trade with who they want for mutual benefit. Trade? Thats only for those with resources to do so. And what happens to the majority who have no such currency? They die. 489921[/snapback] I thought you can trade with a countrie that has nothing to offer back,it is called debt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celumnaz Posted February 16, 2005 #36 Share Posted February 16, 2005 I guess I'm overly optimistic in my belief that every human life has something to offer, is valuable, has the ability and desire to produce and grow if given the opportunity... and the if choice is made by the individual to pursue greatness for themselves. That's the general rule, and there are exceptions of course, but not the Majority, no way. That's making a majority of Dependants needing a state-approved can opener for their state-approved and provided can of state-approved beans before they starve to death once approved by the state. To me that's not compassionate at all, it's a type of slavery that kills the human spirit, inhibits the creative process, and is a disincentive for individuals to produce. It's a pessimistic view of the value of humanity in my opinion. I don't believe people like to see themselves as worthless, again as a general rule... some exceptions probably do like to see themselves as worthless... it's their choice, but I don't believe they are even if they believe it of themselves. Just like dictatorial regimes need an enemy to keep it's population under control, socialism needs a nation of dependants to maintain it's power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 17, 2005 Author #37 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 19, 2005 #38 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I thought you can trade with a countrie that has nothing to offer back,it is called debt # What your saying the child of a single-parent family with the Bailiffs knocking on the door has as much to trade with as the child whose just been born to a family which owns a chain of Supermarkets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 19, 2005 Author #39 Share Posted February 19, 2005 I thought you can trade with a countrie that has nothing to offer back,it is called debt # What your saying the child of a single-parent family with the Bailiffs knocking on the door has as much to trade with as the child whose just been born to a family which owns a chain of Supermarkets? 493369[/snapback] What i am saying is the joke was in the joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 19, 2005 #40 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Ah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunofone Posted February 19, 2005 #41 Share Posted February 19, 2005 Sunofone... ....Sad? So many Americans are up-in-arms about the borders and how all these people are getting in and destroying our economy (not to mention terrorists coming across the borders trying to put an end to America). CNN, Lou Dobbs, has a running show about illegal immigration and the scare of terrrorism crossing our borders. You might want to tune in. 482855[/snapback] all wrong-i wouldnt believe a thing i see on cnn or fox-your just falling victim to the pyscological warfare being waged on the american public-they control you with fear-fear of immigrants destroying our economy to terrorists "sneaking" in and the list would never end-they are simply trying to distract you from the fact that it is companies like walmart and home depot are eliminating competiton and lowering the average americans wage-the only real terrorist that you need to be worried about is the military and their financiers who desire war and the relentless pusuit of more weapons to blow up and troops to deploy-this country has always thrived on its open borders and free economy and the elimination of these things is what you should really fear- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 20, 2005 Author #42 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Ah 493373[/snapback] As in you give a country millions in money ,it has nothing to trade back with ,you say no probs we will take a few bucks back every year and hey presto you are trading back debt get it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 20, 2005 #43 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Yeah, but the point is these countries don't have this money to begin with, thats why they needed the handouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 20, 2005 Author #44 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Well if thats the case the world elite should not give these countries money as sutch ,but aid as in medicine, food ,infrastructer,schools etc and when they get on their feet they can start to pay the world elite back by being one of the elite eventualy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talon Posted February 20, 2005 #45 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Indeed, but the capiatalists are never going to spend that kind of money. Plus, we can't aford to industrise all the world until we find alteratives to polutant technology. Imagine if all of Africans, Asias, and South Americans owner cars on the level Europeans and North Americans do... death to the world. We can't win either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warden Posted February 21, 2005 Author #46 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Indeed, but the capiatalists are never going to spend that kind of money. Plus, we can't aford to industrise all the world until we find alteratives to polutant technology. Imagine if all of Africans, Asias, and South Americans owner cars on the level Europeans and North Americans do... death to the world. We can't win either way. 494728[/snapback] Thats half of the problem,we have what we want and didnt give a dam about any one else in the process Other countries are wanting to be where we are and our governments say no ,mind the rain forrest but it was ok for us to cut down 95% of ours Mind pollution,when we for years have not give a dam about ours,the list could go on I have watched for many years billions of Dollars being wasted in front of our very own eyes ,dictators buying weapons to keep them selfs from being over frown,but we dont seem to do nothing about it,thats why leaders around the world who want to still give financial support to these people need to change the way in whitch it is done Educating the people for a start ,hospitals,self suficent food etc Just throwing money at them then turning the other cheek has not worked and has to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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