Trump’s revenge

[+and-then]

3 minutes ago, drakonwick said:

including Vote Tampering

Care to cite the evidence?  Or is that too much of a demand in your opinion?

[drakonwick]

1 minute ago, and then said:

Care to cite the evidence?  Or is that too much of a demand in your opinion?

It's interesting that you quoted that one! I could go into detail about his "Perfect" phone call, but it's useless as you have already made up your mind. 
Anyway, I just want to make it clear! Trump is guilty, and there is no reasoning, or opinions that will change that. The Senate saved his guilty ass.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, Black Red Devil said:

maybe I'm misunderstanding your Congress House rules so let's see.

Assuming he chose to invoke his right to Executive privilege, the subpoenas would stand in abeyance until a court ruled that the individuals HAD to testify.  The other issue is that the Constitution makes it clear that the House of Representatives has the sole power to Impeach.  It doesn't say the Speaker of the House is vested with that authority.  Pelosi began this charade without ever allowing the full House to vote to begin the process so there is a valid question of whether any of the subpoenas were valid.  Again, to be sure, it would have to be litigated.

Regardless of whether they complied with the law to testify, NONE of them, under direct questioning, were able to say that they heard or saw him demand a quid pro quo, or a bribe or gain any concession whatever from Zelensky.  They literally created their own narrative about what they thought his M O T I V E S were.  Did you grasp that?  They were behaving like they could read minds and their opinions had the weight of evidence in court.  It was ridiculous and had Schiff been forced to allow counsel to cross examine them, it never would have seen the light of day.  It was and is a SHAM.  

As to him showing them the door, tough noogies.  That's his prerogative just like it was for Obama, Bush...  IMO, he was fool not to clean house in 2016.

[+and-then]

2 minutes ago, drakonwick said:

It's interesting that you quoted that one! I could go into detail about his "Perfect" phone call, but it's useless as you have already made up your mind. 
Anyway, I just want to make it clear! Trump is guilty, and there is no reasoning, or opinions that will change that. The Senate saved his guilty ass.

I note you provide no evidence of vote tampering, or FTM, anything else except your opinion.  Thankfully, that isn't yet enough to convict a citizen with.  Dude you can hate as much as you like, that's your right.  But if you make statements about guilt and you have no evidence it just makes you sound like shill.  That's on you.

[drakonwick]

2 minutes ago, and then said:

I note you provide no evidence of vote tampering, or FTM, anything else except your opinion.  Thankfully, that isn't yet enough to convict a citizen with.  Dude you can hate as much as you like, that's your right.  But if you make statements about guilt and you have no evidence it just makes you sound like shill.  That's on you.

Thanks! Most Republicans are fos. Here in NC where I live it's been known for a long time that Republicans cheat the system! 
It's just now coming to the surface.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html

[Uncle Sam]

5 minutes ago, and then said:

I note you provide no evidence of vote tampering, or FTM, anything else except your opinion.  Thankfully, that isn't yet enough to convict a citizen with.  Dude you can hate as much as you like, that's your right.  But if you make statements about guilt and you have no evidence it just makes you sound like shill.  That's on you.

I get what you are saying And Then. Hey Drakonwick, please read this closely. People can actually sue people if they make a statement of fact directed a specific person with intent to make them look criminal or unsavory that has no basis in reality. It is called slander and what Drakonwick did was practically slandering president Trump, because he did a false statement of fact instead of saying that he is suspected of doing it. Don't assume that someone is guilty of something and tell everyone that they are without evidence to back it up.

Quote

In United States constitutional law, false statements of fact are an exception from protection of free speech under the First Amendment. In United States law, a false statement of fact will not be exempt from some civil or criminal penalty, if a law has imposed one. This exception has evolved over time from a series of Supreme Court cases that dealt with issues such as libel, slander, and statutes which barred fraudulent solicitation of charitable donations. A major limiting factor to this concrete First Amendment exception are statements made against public figures. In New York Times v. Sullivan (1964), the Court strongly suggested that even "deliberate lies" could not be punished if made against the government. Since that decision, many cases that have dealt with this rule have struggled to define the line of who actually is a 'public figure'. The Supreme Court has also extended this doctrine to non-political figures who are simply famous or well known in the media.

Information: False Statements of Fact [Wikipedia]

 

[Space Commander Travis]

The point surely is that no matter if they were acting according to their consciences or whatever or this, that or the other, if they'd conspired to get their superior fired - which in basic term sis what they did - it's surely no surprise that that boss would hardly be willing to tolerate their continuing to work for him would they. So it's hardly outrageous vindictiveness on the part of the Don to suggest they might be happier seeking further employment elsewhere.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Dumbledore the Awesome

[Uncle Sam]

44 minutes ago, drakonwick said:

Thanks! Most Republicans are fos. Here in NC where I live it's been known for a long time that Republicans cheat the system! 
It's just now coming to the surface.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html

Let me counter this by posting this about Democrats cheating elections. What you posted was a opinion piece while I posted articles with evidence and facts showing your beloved Democrats being such moral characters.

Democrats Caught Cheating:

Information: Democrats are lying, cheating, and assaulting their way to election day in California.

Information: Democrats Posing as Republican Election Judges In Colorado

Information: Democrat Confesses to Rigging Elections for 50 Years

Information: How Democrats Use Dark Money and Win Elections

Information: Apparent "Organized Fraud" By Democrats in Florida Elections Must Be Investigated

Information: Democrats Cheated Sinema Senate Win In Arizona

Information: Videos Show Democrats Voter Fraud in 2016 Primary

Information: Clinton Iowa Caucus Caught Committing Voter Fraud

Information: Republicans Were Not Unhinged About Voter Fraud

Information: Stanford University Confirms Democratic Election Fraud

Information: Liberal Billionaire Apologizes for Funding False Flag Effort to Link Kremlin to Republican in Alabama Senate Race

Information: Blatant Voter Fraud in Plain Sight In 2018 Mid-Term Elections

Information: Disturbing Proof of US Voter Fraud Now Documented

Information:Democrats Latest Bid to Rig Election Rules

Democrats Accusing and Lying About Republicans Cheating:

Information: Stacy Abrams Falsely Claims the RNC Will Cheat And Lie To Win Elections

Information: Pelosi: Bad Election Results Means Republicans Cheated

Democrat Corruption:

Information:Corruption Scandals for Democrats Are Piling Up

Information: List of Disgraced Democrats

Information: Democrat Corruption is Much Worse Than Trump

Information: The Democrats' Culture of Corruption

Video of Democrats Admitting to Cheating: 

 

I could keep going on and on. Hundreds of examples of Democrats charging Republicans of cheating and then Republicans get proven innocent, while Democrats are caught cheating time and time again.

Edited February 9, 2020 by Uncle Sam

[SHaYap]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Apparently, you don't do very well at processing the clear use of English.  Care to cite which of those indictments or pleas were related to the cause for the investigation?  As in, which ones were charged or plead guilty to conspiracy or collusion to change the outcome of the 2016 election?  Lining up the evidence of prosecutorial abuse by Mueller and his goons only impresses the idiots who lap up the MSM sewage.  We have a saying in America... you can indict a ham sandwich but it doesn't mean you'll get a conviction.  Those 17 attorneys that used unlimited government resources to crush people like General Flynn should die slow and rot in hell, IMO.  

But hey, whatever gives you joy, I'll just bask in his continuing victories against the people who are so convinced they are better than him and his supporters   We're at 191 Federal Judge appointees and counting.  So, roll on, cat daddy.  We'll be here when his haters are gone  

Joker, no, not that one of that movie ... This one... 

Quote

 

[00.03:40]

~

[Golden Duck]

6 hours ago, simplybill said:

The phone call may have appeared to be questionable, but when the alleged victim  himself (President Zelensky) denied any knowledge of having been the victim of an alleged crime, the trial should have ended there. 

Nah.... they should've waited till the GAO finished there report.

[Space Commander Travis]

And besides, where were their principles, these people? Surely they wouldn't have wanted to continue working for a boss who they believe is a criminal and a crook and a Traitor to their Nation? Surely they should have resigned if they any principles? 

[Uncle Sam]

5 minutes ago, Dumbledore the Awesome said:

And besides, where were their principles, these people? Surely they wouldn't have wanted to continue working for a boss who they believe is a criminal and a crook and a Traitor to their Nation? Surely they should have resigned if they any principles? 

Either they have no principles and very corrupt or they want to subvert and sabotage their boss so Democrats could win. Basically it has two implications there. From what they have done with the impeachment and how they were insubordinate, I am incline to believe the latter is true. Trump should have cleaned office of Obama holdouts like Obama did when he was elected, of course Trump wanted to be fair and give them a chance which was an big mistake on his part. Democrats has lost all of my faith and trust in them due to all the corruption, this is coming from a independent and now feels the only choice he has is Trump. Until Democrats clean their party, I am going to continue to highlight what is wrong with them and hoping that maybe people will realize the truth. Once Democrats have cleaned up, then I might consider voting for them again based on policy alone as long as it better policy than Republicans.

Democrats fix your damn party!

Edited February 9, 2020 by Uncle Sam

[drakonwick]

15 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Let me counter this by posting this about Democrats cheating elections. What you posted was a opinion piece while I posted articles with evidence and facts showing your beloved Democrats being such moral characters.

Democrats Caught Cheating:

Information: Democrats are lying, cheating, and assaulting their way to election day in California.

Information: Democrats Posing as Republican Election Judges In Colorado

Information: Democrat Confesses to Rigging Elections for 50 Years

Information: How Democrats Use Dark Money and Win Elections

Information: Apparent "Organized Fraud" By Democrats in Florida Elections Must Be Investigated

Information: Democrats Cheated Sinema Senate Win In Arizona

Information: Videos Show Democrats Voter Fraud in 2016 Primary

Information: Clinton Iowa Caucus Caught Committing Voter Fraud

Information: Republicans Were Not Unhinged About Voter Fraud

Information: Stanford University Confirms Democratic Election Fraud

Information: Liberal Billionaire Apologizes for Funding False Flag Effort to Link Kremlin to Republican in Alabama Senate Race

Information: Blatant Voter Fraud in Plain Sight In 2018 Mid-Term Elections

Information: Disturbing Proof of US Voter Fraud Now Documented

Information:Democrats Latest Bid to Rig Election Rules

Democrats Accusing and Lying About Republicans Cheating:

Information: Stacy Abrams Falsely Claims the RNC Will Cheat And Lie To Win Elections

Information: Pelosi: Bad Election Results Means Republicans Cheated

Democrat Corruption:

Information:Corruption Scandals for Democrats Are Piling Up

Information: List of Disgraced Democrats

Information: Democrat Corruption is Much Worse Than Trump

Information: The Democrats' Culture of Corruption

Video of Democrats Admitting to Cheating: 

 

I could keep going on and on. Hundreds of examples of Democrats charging Republicans of cheating and then Republicans get proven innocent, while Democrats are caught cheating time and time again.

Honestly, I couldn't care less. I am a independent voter! When I see the worship of Trump, it just makes me want to vote against him even more.

[Uncle Sam]

1 minute ago, drakonwick said:

Honestly, I couldn't care less. I am a independent voter! When I see the worship of Trump, it just makes me want to vote against him even more.

People are not worshiping him, they put their trust in him. He has proven that he is capable of fixing the economy and keeping his campaign promises, that is what they want more than anything. On the other hands, people don't want to put their trusts in Democrats because of what they seen time and time again these past three years. Democrats have proven that they can't govern, they pander to the most extreme ideologies, and that they are willing to lie about anything; they also have corrupt media on their side and people don't like being mislead. If anyone is to blame for Trump being so popular, it is the Media and Democrats, their failures and corruption makes Trump look like a saint compared to them.

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

i don't mean to stir the pot but wasn't Mitt Romney brave and defiant in voting with his conscience and Christian beliefs ? 

TBH, I expected a few more from those who could sit there till 2024.  Six years is too long for the electorates memory.

However, what is expected from public servants, is frank and fearless advice.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, drakonwick said:

Thanks! Most Republicans are fos. Here in NC where I live it's been known for a long time that Republicans cheat the system! 
It's just now coming to the surface.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/02/election-fraud-is-real-and-it-involves-a-republican.html

If they cheated then I hope they get the full penalty of the law.  America won't survive if citizens stop believing we can trust elections.  But I still believe that before people get convicted, there needs to be evidence otherwise we're just another 3rd world tinpot dictatorship.

[Uncle Sam]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

TBH, I expected a few more from those who could sit there till 2024.  Six years is too long for the electorates memory.

However, what is expected from public servants, is frank and fearless advice.

People are mad at Mitt Romney because they see him attacking what they perceive is the only hope they have to buck the DNC establishment who have gone off the rails. No one who supports Trump wants a socialist in power at all, except for maybe those who joined Trump Train because they have no place in DNC anymore thanks to their purity purges.

[Space Commander Travis]

Why the bemused face, Golden Duck? Why are you astonished that a boss should not look tolerantly on subordinates who not only tried to get them fired, but tried for treason as well? Would you, if you were a boss in that situation, be happy to let bygones be bygones and for them to continue in your employment? 

[drakonwick]

6 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

People are not worshiping him, they put their trust in him. He has proven that he is capable of fixing the economy and keeping his campaign promises, that is what they want more than anything. On the other hands, people don't want to put their trusts in Democrats because of what they seen time and time again these past three years. Democrats have proven that they can't govern, they pander to the most extreme ideologies, and that they are willing to lie about anything; they also have corrupt media on their side and people don't like being mislead. If anyone is to blame for Trump being so popular, it is the Media and Democrats, their failures and corruption makes Trump look like a saint compared to them.

Yes, they are. Where I live I see people with Trump 2020 stickers all over raised 4X4 trucks, even waving the Rebel Flag, it's disturbing!

[+and-then]

7 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

However, what is expected from public servants, is frank and fearless advice

I agree with this but once they've given that counsel it isn't their duty to try to hamstring a duly elected president because he doesn't follow their lead.  When you really listen to these witnesses, it's obvious that this was their issue with him.  They felt he was illegitimate and that was enough for them to feel justified in creating a narrative that was not proven.

[Golden Duck]

4 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

People are mad at Mitt Romney because they see him attacking what they perceive is the only hope they have to buck the DNC establishment who have gone off the rails. No one who supports Trump wants a socialist in power at all, except for maybe those who joined Trump Train because they have no place in DNC anymore thanks to their purity purges.

Or, the trial verdict wasn't purely along party lines.  Therefore, there was a degree of impartiality. 

Thank you Mitt.

PS. Do you think they'll make him pay in 2024?

[Uncle Sam]

1 minute ago, drakonwick said:

Yes, they are. Where I live I see people with Trump 2020 stickers all over raised 4X4 trucks, even waving the Rebel Flag, it's disturbing!

Same thing happen with Barrack Obama, Same thing happen with President George W. Bush. It isn't worshiping at all, it is supporting their candidate. I still see stickers supporting Barack Obama or George W. Bush on cars.

[Uncle Sam]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Or, the trial verdict wasn't purely along party lines.  Therefore, there was a degree of impartiality. 

Thank you Mitt.

PS. Do you think they'll make him pay in 2024?

Yeah he is going to be voted out by his voters and replaced by a Republican candidate. Only reason he was re-elected was because he had the backing of Trump.

[Golden Duck]

5 minutes ago, and then said:

I agree with this but once they've given that counsel it isn't their duty to try to hamstring a duly elected president because he doesn't follow their lead.  When you really listen to these witnesses, it's obvious that this was their issue with him.  They felt he was illegitimate and that was enough for them to feel justified in creating a narrative that was not proven.

Now we're back discussing emotions.

[drakonwick]

9 minutes ago, Uncle Sam said:

Same thing happen with Barrack Obama, Same thing happen with President George W. Bush. It isn't worshiping at all, it is supporting their candidate. I still see stickers supporting Barack Obama or George W. Bush on cars.

Question! Were Barack Obama supporters threatening the lives of people who disagreed with them? 
I have seen posts of Obama in a noose being hanged! You will never make me believe that some republicans are not racially driven.

 

Edited February 9, 2020 by drakonwick