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Trump’s revenge

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Doug1029
23 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

You're kidding, right?

Maybe I should have said "why isn't Trump doing anything EFFECTIVE to protect the border?"

So far, his wall has been a dismal failure at curbing illegal entry.  And his policy of kidnapping children is barbaric in the extreme - something that would have done the SS proud.

 

What he needs to do is get the CDC going on finding a vaccine (Get those senior scientists he fired back, if he can.).  Once we have a vaccine, it needs to be mass-produced.  The money needs to be available when that time comes.

He needs to have a system of quarantine ready to implement when needed.  In short, he needs to get the country ready.

This pandemic will likely be a two-part event.  The first part, already under way, is a conventional epidemic that is expected to fizzle with the advent of warm weather, followed by a second wave next fall.  That second wave will be the bad one.  Is Trump ready?  Is the country ready?

Doug

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Big Jim
1 hour ago, Doug1029 said:

Maybe I should have said "why isn't Trump doing anything EFFECTIVE to protect the border?"

So far, his wall has been a dismal failure at curbing illegal entry.  And his policy of kidnapping children is barbaric in the extreme - something that would have done the SS proud.

 

What he needs to do is get the CDC going on finding a vaccine (Get those senior scientists he fired back, if he can.).  Once we have a vaccine, it needs to be mass-produced.  The money needs to be available when that time comes.

He needs to have a system of quarantine ready to implement when needed.  In short, he needs to get the country ready.

This pandemic will likely be a two-part event.  The first part, already under way, is a conventional epidemic that is expected to fizzle with the advent of warm weather, followed by a second wave next fall.  That second wave will be the bad one.  Is Trump ready?  Is the country ready?

Doug

As you are aware, Congress has stymied his every effort at building the wall.  Where would it be by now if he had had their cooperation?  The money that you mention also has to come from Congressional action, not the President.  No one is "kidnapping children".  You should find a new line to parrot.

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Doug1029
10 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

As you are aware, Congress has stymied his every effort at building the wall.  Where would it be by now if he had had their cooperation?  The money that you mention also has to come from Congressional action, not the President.  No one is "kidnapping children".  You should find a new line to parrot.

I am aware that Congress doesn't like the idea and has refused to fund it.  So he took funds from military construction in violation of the 1974 Impoundment Act, thereby breaking the law.

Where would it be?  It might be a useless monument to Trump.  It would not be halting illegal immigration because most of that comes from people that we have let in who over-stayed their visas.  To be effective, the wall would have to keep us from admitting more people.

The money to pay scientists is still sitting there and will be until the end of September.  When someone leaves the Federal govt, their salary money is used first to pay off unused benefits, like sick leave and annual leave.  The rest just sits in the account until a replacement is hired.  Some money needed for vaccine production is available from emergency funds set up by CDC.  The rest would require an appropriation.  Trump needs to have a request for funds ready as soon as the CDC tells him they're ready.  He could even use some of his misappropriated border wall money, but I think Congress will want that restored to its original uses.

What do you call it when a kid is forcibly separated from their parents and taken away?  There are about 7000 kids in this situation courtesy of the Bully-in-Chief.  The administration charges fees for hearings.  The parents who are unemployed are supposed to pay thousands of dollars for a hearing to get their kids back.  THAT is kidnapping-for-ransom, a crime that carries a double life sentence.  A lot of ICE agents could end up behind bars over this.  The argument that they were obeying orders is void because one cannot legally obey an illegal order.

Doug

 

 

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South Alabam
26 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

As you are aware, Congress has stymied his every effort at building the wall.  Where would it be by now if he had had their cooperation?  The money that you mention also has to come from Congressional action, not the President.  No one is "kidnapping children".  You should find a new line to parrot.

But JIm, Trump built "CAGES" to put them in, how inhumane can you get? Wait Obama built them and no one said a word https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/

But Jim, Trump DETAINS these children, how horrible! Wait Obama did the same thing and no one cared. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-01/fact-check-did-obama-detain-90000-children-border

But Jim, Trump makes these children sleep on floors in these cages! I'm outraged!! Just look at the link!! https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/may/28/illegal-immigrants-cages-photo-2014-enrages-libera/  Oh wait that is from the Obama administration, please ignore until I can find Trump doing that.

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Big Jim
3 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

What do you call it when a kid is forcibly separated from their parents and taken away?  There are about 7000 kids in this situation courtesy of the Bully-in-Chief.  The administration charges fees for hearings.  The parents who are unemployed are supposed to pay thousands of dollars for a hearing to get their kids back.  THAT is kidnapping-for-ransom, a crime that carries a double life sentence.  A lot of ICE agents could end up behind bars over this.  The argument that they were obeying orders is void because one cannot legally obey an illegal order.

It's no different than what happens in every county in the country when either the parent or child breaks a law.  Many American citizens sit in jail because they also can't afford what the court requires.  None of this is exclusive to illegal immigrants, except liberal tears.

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Buzz_Light_Year
7 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

I am aware that Congress doesn't like the idea and has refused to fund it.  So he took funds from military construction in violation of the 1974 Impoundment Act, thereby breaking the law.

Where would it be?  It might be a useless monument to Trump.  It would not be halting illegal immigration because most of that comes from people that we have let in who over-stayed their visas.  To be effective, the wall would have to keep us from admitting more people.

The money to pay scientists is still sitting there and will be until the end of September.  When someone leaves the Federal govt, their salary money is used first to pay off unused benefits, like sick leave and annual leave.  The rest just sits in the account until a replacement is hired.  Some money needed for vaccine production is available from emergency funds set up by CDC.  The rest would require an appropriation.  Trump needs to have a request for funds ready as soon as the CDC tells him they're ready.  He could even use some of his misappropriated border wall money, but I think Congress will want that restored to its original uses.

What do you call it when a kid is forcibly separated from their parents and taken away?  There are about 7000 kids in this situation courtesy of the Bully-in-Chief.  The administration charges fees for hearings.  The parents who are unemployed are supposed to pay thousands of dollars for a hearing to get their kids back.  THAT is kidnapping-for-ransom, a crime that carries a double life sentence.  A lot of ICE agents could end up behind bars over this.  The argument that they were obeying orders is void because one cannot legally obey an illegal order.

Doug

 

 

You do realize the SCOTUS ruled in Trumps favor.

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Doug1029
13 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

It's no different than what happens in every county in the country when either the parent or child breaks a law.  Many American citizens sit in jail because they also can't afford what the court requires.  None of this is exclusive to illegal immigrants, except liberal tears.

When children are removed from their parents by the courts they are not adopted out unless there is nobody else to care for them.  They are placed in foster care and returned to their parents upon completion of sentence.  Immigrant children are not returned to their parents.  It is the responsibility of the government to pay the court costs as it is the one that created the problem in the first place.

Because our jail system is broken does not constitute a reason for not fixing it.  Being as bad as somebody else is not the same as being good.

All SCOTUS order means is that nobody will be held accountable for their misbehavior.

Doug

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Setton
23 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Elvis has already left the building, meaning the virus is no longer Chinese; it's worldwide, now. We can't even effectively control egress to our country

You're trying to stop people leaving the country now? 

Do make up your mind... 

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