What will the next Trump crime be?

[STAR LORD]

8 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

I was doing better under obama than I have been under just 3 years of trumps "great agained america"

Must no involve math then.

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Obama was just bad on every decision he made.  Trump took a mediocre upturn and made it take off. 

I think according to data put out by this administration, jobs added during the last three years of Obama  numbered 8.1 million.  Under the first three years of Trump of President Trump 6.6 million jobs were created.  That would be less than Obama's last three years. 

The economy has been perking along strongly since before President Trump took office.  What he has done so far is spurred the short term and his popularity.  That will wear off sooner than he will be out of office.

What will hold the economy of this nation back is collapsing infrastructure, a mediocre education system, and denigration of science in favor of personal opinion and political expediency.

[acidhead]

9 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I think according to data put out by this administration, jobs added during the last three years of Obama  numbered 8.1 million.  Under the first three years of Trump of President Trump 6.6 million jobs were created.  That would be less than Obama's last three years. 

The economy has been perking along strongly since before President Trump took office.  What he has done so far is spurred the short term and his popularity.  That will wear off sooner than he will be out of office.

What will hold the economy of this nation back is collapsing infrastructure, a mediocre education system, and denigration of science in favor of personal opinion and political expediency.

Just curious... ..

What is your "Education  Plan"?

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

What is your "Education  Plan"?

Get rid of  teaching toward a test score.  "Leave no child behind" sounds like a great sentiment, but its implementation has been flawed, more show than reality.

Add some more trade skills and apprenticeships to high school curricula.  A skilled trade should have as much respect as a college degree.

Go back to teaching civics and give it more focus.  Give students a good idea of what this country is about.  Teach the Constitution and Bill of Rights and how amendments came into being and why. Give them the background to judge the hype.

Balance funding in public schools so that  there are no more rich and poor districts. The surest way to get out of poverty is to learn.   A college degree or a good trade will do more good than a lot of the current programs.

Feed kids at school and teach them nutrition. Feed them lunch and breakfast if you have to. If they don't have money, give them vouchers. Feed our children. Push the fast food and junk food and lobbyists to the outskirts, don't ban them but offer alternatives and knowledge.

Home economics used to be cooking and sewing, change it to balancing family budgets, handling credit cards, and the basics of saving and wealth building.

Keep band and drama and literature in the curricula as well as sports. No point of being inheritors of a great culture if we don't know what it is,

Maybe we should humble ourselves enough to  send observers to FInland and Japan and other countries that have successful educational outcomes  and adopt some of their ideas. 

More online schools and more accreditation for them. Not everybody can afford or needs to attend a campus in the flesh.  Work on textbook prices, the publishers are another lobby group kissing up to congressmen.  Online texts without bound paper books.  

Pell grants and more scholarships for engineering, science, and the arts.  Our best investment is in our kids.

That is a start.

 

 

 

[Crikey]

As a Brit I'm therefore neutral and it doesn't matter to me if Trump gets a second term, but I have to say he makes for great TV viewing compared to all other dull-as-dishwater politicians, so if Americans feel the same way I'm sure they'll vote him into the WH again for a "second series"..

[+OverSword]

11 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

How did his tax breaks bennifit your personal taxes, I mean it was proported that his tax breaks would directly bennifit the middle class and below. So in what why does it have effect on your taxes?

Peace

As I have said on many threads not one bit and this year seemingly negatively. Taxes taken out of my checks during year one of the middle class tax break were the same as under Obama and my tax return was like $60 less than the year before. This year there is about $100 more taken per month and I haven’t filed to see what this years tax return will be. So I guess to sum up I make less but my future with my company is more secure. 

[Vorg]

Everything Trump does will be viewed as the next crime. Even the ousting of Vindmann is being considered. I saw a guy write our Commanding officer up for dereliction of duty once. A week later, he found himself in the brig, and I myself delivered him there. So retaliation happens. 

[aztek]

9 hours ago, acidhead said:

Just curious... ..

What is your "Education  Plan"?

getting degree is not hard, nor it is a guarantee of anything, other than a diploma and  bills.  it is not a degree it is how you use it, i know quite a few people who graduated, got a degree, and never worked a day in their field, some have 4 degrees, and make less than a plumber.  talking about wasted time and money.  just ask doug.

maybe we need to focus on education that is actually useful, trump is absolutely correct by pushing for more trade schools,  much less money, less time, and more results

Edited February 14, 2020 by aztek

[Doug1029]

27 minutes ago, aztek said:

getting degree is not hard, nor it is a guarantee of anything, other than a diploma and  bills.  it is not a degree it is how you use it, i know quite a few people who graduated, got a degree, and never worked a day in their field, some have 4 degrees, and make less than a plumber.  talking about wasted time and money.  just ask doug.

This is correct.  A Ph.D. is no guarantee of anything.  I know I don't make as much as New York plumbers and I wonder if I make more than plumbers right here in town.  Don't know.  But if money is your only measure of success, you are already a failure.

I have spent most of my career working out-of-doors, not down in somebody's crawl space.  I have been in some of the country's most spectacular wilds.  I have seen a wild cougar, wild mountain goats, moose, bears and more elk and mule deer than I can count - and that in just one herd.  I have commuted to work by pickup truck, canoe and on foot.

I was on a seed-collecting trip for the Rocky Mountain Plant Materials Center.  The seed source was a bog about two miles west of Brainard Lake, Colorado.  It was a gorgeous fall day with sky of Colorado blue, green pines and yellow aspens.  I parked the truck at the parking area and started up the trail.  A woman, a member of my church, was downbound and we stopped to talk.  "Taking some personal time?" she asked.  I hated to have to tell her:  I was working.  It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it.

I have worked with cowboys, Indians, Mexicans - some illegal immigrants and hundreds of people on thousands of acres of forested land.  Owners of 5000+-acre ranches and home owners in subdivisions.

As an inventory forester I had to go where the trees were.  I have walked nearly every trail and backroad in north Idaho between Grangeville and Canada.  I was an Assistant District Forester on a district larger than Maryland with ranches larger than Delaware.

And since I got that Ph.D., I have worked outside collecting data on post oaks and cedars for four years.  We don't trust recent graduates to get it right, so that leaves me.  Now that I am no longer physically able to work outdoors, I have a desk job analyzing all that data on all those post oaks and cedars.  I wouldn't trade this job for anything. 

Doug

Edited February 14, 2020 by Doug1029

[WanderingFool0]

15 hours ago, OverSword said:

And despite that, the company I work for has used the corporate tax break to put themselves in a better position to weather the eventual downturn that will always inevitably occur.  That tax break was put in place by trump.  It just can't be argued with.  You don't have to like him, he made a decision and made policy which was beneficial to my employer and through that it's employees.  If you go to the top of this page you see my original comment was that the company I work for is doing better in response to someone else's comment.  That's all.  I didn't say that the economy is bulletproof because trump.

I don't dislike him. I don't think any president is really in control. I think they all have been puppets for a long time. And as far as tax cuts temporarily helping your company, I would say with the looming shadow of quantitative easing, that tax cuts and temporary gains are like arranging deck chairs on the titanic. And I think the quantitative easing shows a problem with the system that goes deeper than any president or any party. The whole system is broken and malfunctioning and the FED and similar groups in other countries are just doing enough to keep the old jalopy running. Of course most people always focus on personal and temporary gain. It's why at the end of the day all anyone in power does is kick the can down the road. They just want to make sure it doesn't collapse on their watch.

[Doug1029]

28 minutes ago, aztek said:

maybe we need to focus on education that is actually useful, trump is absolutely correct by pushing for more trade schools,  much less money, less time, and more results

I agree that there are good opportunities in the trades and those who want to go into them should be encouraged to do so.  But I also think that people should pursue their dreams, not just a job.  If it takes technical training to get where you want to go, then get it.  But if it takes a Bachelor's or a Ph.D. to get there, then do it.  It should not be up to Trump or the government to tell people they can't pursue a degree in music if that's what they want to do.  But at the same time, I would advise them to go to bar tender school so they can get a job when they finish music school.

Doug

[Doug1029]

The intellectually lazy say both parties are basically the same.

Since 1965:

Democrats (25 years in power):

3 indictments

1 conviction

1 prison sentence.

Republicans (28 years in power):

120 indictments

89 convictions

34 prison sentences

Donald Trump isn't done yet.

--Juan Hernandez Rodriguez

[+OverSword]

10 minutes ago, WanderingFool0 said:

I don't dislike him. I don't think any president is really in control. I think they all have been puppets for a long time. And as far as tax cuts temporarily helping your company, I would say with the looming shadow of quantitative easing, that tax cuts and temporary gains are like arranging deck chairs on the titanic. And I think the quantitative easing shows a problem with the system that goes deeper than any president or any party. The whole system is broken and malfunctioning and the FED and similar groups in other countries are just doing enough to keep the old jalopy running. Of course most people always focus on personal and temporary gain. It's why at the end of the day all anyone in power does is kick the can down the road. They just want to make sure it doesn't collapse on their watch.

There is no such thing as an eternally consistent economy as far as I can tell so focusing on personal temporary gain may be the only choice for us little guys.  However you take a company like GE and IBM or even the one I work for and what they do is position themselves to be viable regardless and still there after the down turn.

[+OverSword]

NM

Edited February 14, 2020 by OverSword

[lightly]

In a nutshell.......Trump and his handlers are buying economic gains for the top 10% (approximately) at the expense of the national debt ...  !  Debt is not growth.

    Government contracts , domestic and foreign , and subsidies for the Richest do no equate to " economic growth".  Quite the opposite...in Reality.

[WanderingFool0]

7 minutes ago, OverSword said:

There is no such thing as an eternally consistent economy as far as I can tell so focusing on personal temporary gain may be the only choice for us little guys.  However you take a company like GE and IBM or even the one I work for and what they do is position themselves to be viable regardless and still there after the down turn.

Meh I am not worried about the big companies, because they like the banks get real representation from the politicians in this country and will continue to have money printed out of thin air to bail them out, of course congress can't print a thin dime to fix the sagging and failing infrastructure of this nation, because that would be something for the people; the little guys, and they have no real representation in this country. It's funny though, because they still pay their taxes.

I will say I am glad you and your company are doing well, but when you sit down to eat your dinner with your family maybe just take a moment to think of all the little guys, who aren't and the economy in general which is very ill in my opinion.

[WanderingFool0]

17 minutes ago, Doug1029 said:

The intellectually lazy say both parties are basically the same.

Since 1965:

Democrats (25 years in power):

3 indictments

1 conviction

1 prison sentence.

Republicans (28 years in power):

120 indictments

89 convictions

34 prison sentences

Donald Trump isn't done yet.

--Juan Hernandez Rodriguez

NAFTA started by George Bush sr (R), signed by Bill Clinton (D), expanded by Bush jr. (R), expanded again by Obama (D), rebranded, renamed and renegotiated as the USCMA by Trump (R)

How different are the parties really, when it's time to come across the aisle in the spirit of bi-partisanship and pass the bankers, corporations and the globalists bills; ie when the rubber meets the road. In fact the only time they seem to be fighting and at odds is when the bills benefit the people, then they can't agree and drag their feet.

[+OverSword]

15 minutes ago, WanderingFool0 said:

Meh I am not worried about the big companies, because they like the banks get real representation from the politicians in this country and will continue to have money printed out of thin air to bail them out, of course congress can't print a thin dime to fix the sagging and failing infrastructure of this nation, because that would be something for the people; the little guys, and they have no real representation in this country. It's funny though, because they still pay their taxes.

I will say I am glad you and your company are doing well, but when you sit down to eat your dinner with your family maybe just take a moment to think of all the little guys, who aren't and the economy in general which is very ill in my opinion.

I am the little guy, lower middle class spending just under half my income to keep a roof over my head.  An economy that is as stable for every person as it is for a huge company is not a possibility and that has nothing to do with the government.  The only solution to this that's been tried too many times is communism.  Usually ends in millions of deaths.

[RavenHawk]

10 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I think according to data put out by this administration, jobs added during the last three years of Obama  numbered 8.1 million.  Under the first three years of Trump of President Trump 6.6 million jobs were created.  That would be less than Obama's last three years.

You seemed to have missed the key part of the Beach Ball analogy.  After collapse, in order to assist in making fundamental change, Obama figuratively, held the beach ball underwater.  people left the workforce in droves.  The economy was just too powerful for Obama to keep hobbled much longer.  The economy did begin to pick up, people were just beginning to get back into the workforce.  But this improvement was not because of Obama’s policies, it was in spite them.  If Obama had kept going, the unemployment rate would spike but then subside again as people left the workforce again.  The jobs were just not coming back under Obama because of business killing regulation.  It’s easy to change the society if the economy is mediocre.  Hilary would have continued the process.  But the fates were kind and we got Trump.  He instituted a 1 for 2 reduction in regulation and set up a tax cut by restructuring how we pay taxes.  Those two things exploded the economy.  We have the largest workforce participation in history.  Wages are going up, where they weren’t under Obama.  Those jobs that were never coming back, came back and that keeps the unemployment rate low.  The market is strong and steady.  Trump did what Obama should had done years prior.  But he sacrificed people’s prosperity for Dreams of his Father.

 

The economy has been perking along strongly since before President Trump took office.  What he has done so far is spurred the short term and his popularity.  That will wear off sooner than he will be out of office.

It wasn’t strongly.  It was mediocre.  The economy should have been roaring under Obama.  It wasn’t.  Workforce participation was anemic, wages flatlined, and in some cases, families were losing ground.  The Left can’t have a thriving middle class because it destroys the Left’s power structure.  How much longer is your short-term measuring stick?  You wish it will wear off so you can wallow in pity again.  There is no end to this economy, especially if it stays this sustainable.  It’s easy to get the economy turned around (so why didn’t Obama do so?).  What is difficult is changing the minds of those that have been poisoned by Socialism.  Thinking that business is evil.  Trump needs to find a way to encourage everyone in becoming successful entrepreneurs.

 

What will hold the economy of this nation back is collapsing infrastructure, a mediocre education system, and denigration of science in favor of personal opinion and political expediency.

Now that we have the economy that can take care of these things, we should start.  Those last two will need deprogramming from the Socialist mindset.

[WanderingFool0]

14 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I am the little guy, lower middle class spending just under half my income to keep a roof over my head.  An economy that is as stable for every person as it is for a huge company is not a possibility and that has nothing to do with the government.  The only solution to this that's been tried too many times is communism.  Usually ends in millions of deaths.

Communism isn't the only solution. Frankly a giant reset and wiping clean of the debt, the majority of which is actually being held by banks and financial institutions, and return to the system and government on the founding principles, would do a lot to fix the situation. But, as I said the banks are holding most of the debt; the proverbial bag if you will and a reset would cause some temporary discomfort for the people, which is why they will never let the politicians do it and why the politicians are loath to do it.

Edited February 14, 2020 by WanderingFool0
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[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, WanderingFool0 said:

Communism isn't the only solution. Frankly a giant reset and wiping clean of the debt, the majority of which is actually being held by banks and financial institutions, and return to the system and government on the founding principles, would do a lot to fix the situation. But, as I said the banks are holding most of the debt; the proverbial bag if you will and a reset would cause some temporary discomfort for the people, which is why they will never let the politicians do it.

Only way that will happen is if the world gets nuked and that really wouldn't improve the economy.

[WanderingFool0]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Only way that will happen is if the world gets nuked and that really wouldn't improve the economy.

Maybe. It could be done, the people have the power. I agree the odds of it being done are slim to nil, because the politicians really represent the banks and corporations. I will say this though, quantitative easing and the history of the Wiemar republic and it's rampant hyperinflation, show that in the end the current system and it's methods of temporary patch work is untenable and unsustainable. The best they can do is what they are doing now and have been doing for a long time, temporary patches and kicking the can down the road. I am sure most in power now hope it will be kicked down the road until after their glorious state funerals after they have died and are in the clear.

[aztek]

9 minutes ago, WanderingFool0 said:

Maybe. It could be done, the people have the power. I agree the odds of it being done are slim to nil, because the politicians really represent the banks and corporations. I will say this though, quantitative easing and the history of the Wiemar republic and it's rampant hyperinflation, show that in the end the current system and it's methods of temporary patch work is untenable and unsustainable. The best they can do is what they are doing now and have been doing for a long time, temporary patches and kicking the can down the road. I am sure most in power now hope it will be kicked down the road until after their glorious state funerals after they have died and are in the clear.

sorry, but no, they really do not.

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

As I have said on many threads not one bit and this year seemingly negatively. Taxes taken out of my checks during year one of the middle class tax break were the same as under Obama and my tax return was like $60 less than the year before. This year there is about $100 more taken per month and I haven’t filed to see what this years tax return will be. So I guess to sum up I make less but my future with my company is more secure. 

Security is very important, and I am glad that something is going your way.

Thanks for the reply

Peace

[Tatetopa]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

As I have said on many threads not one bit and this year seemingly negatively. Taxes taken out of my checks during year one of the middle class tax break were the same as under Obama and my tax return was like $60 less than the year before. This year there is about $100 more taken per month and I haven’t filed to see what this years tax return will be. So I guess to sum up I make less but my future with my company is more secure. 

What is the foundation of your security?  Is it your skills that make you a valuable asset to your company; you produce more revenue than your cost of employment?  Skills would be valuable in any company.  Or  is it working for a large corporation that acquires other corporations and then goes through the inevitable cost cutting, trimming , and RIF cycle.  Then you have to hope that they do not acquire another star player who works for less and produces more than you do.