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Golden Duck

So know we've got a cross cultural expert proposing fa'afafine is justification to disregard the groundswell of female concern.

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Samoa Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele's anger was palpable after Hubbard claimed gold at the Pacific Games over Samoa's Feagaiga Stowers, who took home silver.

"This fa'afafine [a Samoan third gender] or man should have never been allowed by the Pacific Games Council president to lift with the women," Mr Tuilaepa told the Samoa Observer.

"I was shocked when I first heard about it.

"No matter how we look at it, he's a man [sic] and it's shocking this was allowed in the first place."

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-30/transgender-athletes-in-the-pacific-under-fire/11360854

I've never heard any of my islander friends ever refer to a fa'afafine as a woman.

 

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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

I'd agree mostly, which is why I've said I hope the girls win.

However, my arguement to create more categories has been based on the belief that Politically Correct culture is correct. I dont think it is, but many do. So my suggestions arent to try to actually help girls/women, but what I think the PC Police would settle for, while allowing women in sports the best chance at recognition.

Ideally sports should be based on XX/XY.

The idea of performance diminishing drugs just seems too manufactured.

I'm reminded of sprinter Leroy Burrell.  He was legally blind and eligible for the Paralympics. He ended up winning world championships, Olympic gold and setting the world 100m record twice.

Why do some people compete?

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Setton
43 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

So know we've got a cross cultural expert proposing fa'afafine is justification to disregard the groundswell of female concern.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-30/transgender-athletes-in-the-pacific-under-fire/11360854

I've never heard any of my islander friends ever refer to a fa'afafine as a woman.

 

Well, what would the World Health Organisation know compared to a duck with some friends?

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Golden Duck
8 minutes ago, Setton said:

Well, what would the World Health Organisation know compared to a duck with some friends?

Hey look... you made a point.  I guess that's why I quoted the Samoan Prime Minister.

Perhaps you could go back through the thread to, you know, catch up.

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jypsijemini
On 2/14/2020 at 8:12 AM, sci-nerd said:

Just to set things straight, it's not a disorder (like people who feel like animals).

https://time.com/5596845/world-health-organization-transgender-identity/

I'm afraid it is.

There's something competing between the actual biology and the mental processes of the individual.

They're rejecting their physical body. It's all done mentally. It's either a chemical imbalance (like mental disorders are) or it's suggestive and an adopted way of thinking (which is also a disorder, like an eating disorder).

It's society which is trying to tell you that it's acceptable.

Gender rejection isn't as common as they'd like you to believe. Well, it wasn't - until it became way more commercialised, publicised and forced on society by the media and influencers.

Back in the 80s and 90s, it was just dressing in drag. It was a preference, a hobby. They weren't rejecting the fact that they are men. They were drag queens, not "gender fluid". They did what they did without needing special validating labels.

Now it's become what 'emo' was to the 2000s. Twenty years ago, you said the word depression in a classroom and every sulking teenager in that room would raise their hands - fingernails painted black, straightened hair hiding half their face and scars on their arms - sitting in front of their poetry journal and Simple Plan whinging from their iPod. Depression was a trend back then. Now it's an accepted, recognised mental disorder that attracts serious support and long-term prescriptions.

It's no different to this. Back then, not everyone had depression. Teenagers were impressionable and they copied each other. Only a percentage of them were actually suffering from depression, anxiety and suicidal tendencies. The rest were just hitching a ride on the black bandwagon.

Now - you've got parents changing the name of their four year olds, starting nine year olds on hormone treatments and flying overseas with their fourteen year olds for major surgical mutilation of their under-developed bodies.

Teenagers don't even know what they want to do once they've left school! And how quickly does a child change their hobbies and eating preferences?!

What's to say that this isn't just another case of hysteria, over-publicising and popularity (especially now that social media is so prevalent and influential in our society these days) that is causing these kids to claim that they want to be something else, or have rejected their biological gender...

I'm all for trying to understand and support those who, as they've become adults, have remained very consistent in this desire and have made this decision on their own and once they've matured mentally but the argument that it's not fair to force a child to mature into a body that they 'don't identify with' while they're still a child is just insane.

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bee

 

wise words from Germaine Greer - iconic feminist who thinks for herself and is being ostracized by
the 'woke' sheep for her views... no one is safe from them - they will try to bring down anyone who
doesn't fall into line with the social engineering..

Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' - BBC Newsnight

 

 

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bee
9 minutes ago, jypsijemini said:

Now - you've got parents changing the name of their four year olds, starting nine year olds on hormone treatments and flying overseas with their fourteen year olds for major surgical mutilation of their under-developed bodies.

Teenagers don't even know what they want to do once they've left school! And how quickly does a child change their hobbies and eating preferences?!

What's to say that this isn't just another case of hysteria, over-publicising and popularity (especially now that social media is so prevalent and influential in our society these days) that is causing these kids to claim that they want to be something else, or have rejected their biological gender...

I'm all for trying to understand and support those who, as they've become adults, have remained very consistent in this desire and have made this decision on their own and once they've matured mentally but the argument that it's not fair to force a child to mature into a body that they 'don't identify with' while they're still a child is just insane.

 

totally agree.... and it's horrible to see how people are being manipulated into accepting this -

it's nothing less than child abuse in my eyes.. 

a sexually orientated kind of Munchhausen by Proxy thing ....

 

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jypsijemini

If people want to change their bodies and live a certain way - they can go for it.

But to expect society to understand, accept and change what they do'; to accomodate their way of life because that's how they "think" and "feel"?

My god.

No. Just NO.

If they themselves couldn't accept who they were right from the get go, why, and how are they so adamant that we should accept them for what they've become?

They're demanding more than just acceptance. Yes, society needs to move forward and stop judging and bullying each other on all fronts. But sadly, that's just not going to happen.

It's not like the media are ever going to support smokers who are adamant that they have rights to smoke wherever they want, to continue to receive health care like everybody else and to be granted access to all areas and the right to smoke wherever they want... 

Same with obese people - the media isn't encouraging people to stop bullying them, to accomodate for obese bodies in every area of society... In fact, it's still hugely shunned for bigger-bodied people to model, to wear revealling clothing - they're always given the 'funny' roles in movies - they're rarely ever the romantic protagonist etc.

How is this any different? Some will argue about health - but transgender issues are a mental health issue and nothing more. It's not just a choice or being "born this way". There's something not computing between the mind and the body it resides in. There's a conflict. The human mind isn't meant to reject the body. That's not natural or healthy.

It's no different to body integrity disorderThe term body integrity identity disorder (BIID) describes the extremely rare phenomenon of persons who desire the amputation of one or more healthy limbs or who desire a paralysis.

Again, it's described as "extremely rare". It's only society that's brought transgender issues to the forefront of our minds and made it acceptable and attractive using the influence of media and materialism.

Just look at how our kids are growing up - Jeffrey Starr, Gigi Gorgeous, James Charles all popping up on their Youtube recommendations. Even Shane Dawson has jumped on the makeup-wearing-male bandwagon. It's not to say that there is ANYTHING wrong with the way these adults are choosing to live their lives - but they are sharing their lives with the world and they know that there are millions of children who watch their content and are influenced by their videos.

They're not called "influencers" for no reason...

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bee
10 hours ago, Setton said:

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awww I thought you loved me...... :hmm:

well I don't participate in sport and you're not a woman... so let's hear from someone who does and is..
or at least used to...
 

Ex-swimmer Sharron Davies on why she opposes transgender athletes in women's sports

 

 

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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, bee said:

 

wise words from Germaine Greer - iconic feminist who thinks for herself and is being ostracized by
the 'woke' sheep for her views... no one is safe from them - they will try to bring down anyone who
doesn't fall into line with the social engineering..

Germaine Greer: Transgender women are 'not women' - BBC Newsnight

 

 

Awful journalist.

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Setton
2 hours ago, bee said:

 

awww I thought you loved me...... :hmm:

well I don't participate in sport and you're not a woman... so let's hear from someone who does and is..
or at least used to...

It think it's quite well established that some people don't think the current system works. 

That's why we're discussing alternatives. 

Did you want to engage in that or just stick to the safe familiarity of YouTube? 

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Setton
2 hours ago, bee said:

awww I thought you loved me...... :hmm:

I love my dog but I don't ask his advice on social issues. 

Then again, maybe we should. The only way he groups people is:

1. Will play

2. Won't play 

3. Has food 

Good rules to live by. 

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OverSword
16 hours ago, Setton said:

Well that's just outright false and shows your fundamental lack of understanding regarding sex and gender.

The WHO recognises two assigned sexes and recognises that an individuals assigned sex may not match their gender. 

That is the science the actual science and you are the one trying to deny it. Look up ICD-11 and read it. 

For the purpose of this discussion it’s not about what’s going on in your mind. 

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OverSword
7 hours ago, Setton said:

If you're going to plagiarise, a link is traditional. 

Here you go, along with the section on gender you left out:

https://www.who.int/genomics/gender/en/index1.html

Your part is irrelevant to a discussion about physical competition as I’ve already pointed out. Trans feelings don’t trump the feelings of the women who don’t want to be forced into unfair competition with them. 

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XenoFish
5 hours ago, jypsijemini said:

Same with obese people - the media isn't encouraging people to stop bullying them, to accomodate for obese bodies in every area of society... In fact, it's still hugely shunned for bigger-bodied people to model, to wear revealling clothing - they're always given the 'funny' roles in movies - they're rarely ever the romantic protagonist etc.

Guess you haven't heard about the fat acceptance movement. 

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aztek

fat acceptance\body positive=accepting wrong lifestyle, and welcoming diseases. 

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Myles

I guess we should just eliminate all of the female sports leagues.   That is the answer, right?

Physical females cannot compete against physical males.

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preacherman76

It baffles me that anyone thinks this is fair competition. Or even worse that the way someone feels is more important than fair competition. 
 

This coming from people who claim to be champions of women. Who fight for the rights of women. 

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Setton
11 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

It baffles me that anyone thinks this is fair competition. Or even worse that the way someone feels is more important than fair competition. 
 

This coming from people who claim to be champions of women. Who fight for the rights of women. 

Have you found anyone that actually does say it's fair competition? 

Or are you jumping on this latest bandwagon of arguing with fictional opponents? 

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DieChecker

Just a thought...

A guy would have to REALLY want to win, or genuinely think he's a female, in order to get his wanger removed just to beat woman at women's sports.

That kind of commitment actually is rare... :o

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aztek

who says they're cutting off their hose?? one  in 10k maybe, but the rest will not.  

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DieChecker
1 hour ago, aztek said:

who says they're cutting off their hose?? one  in 10k maybe, but the rest will not.  

Then they shouldnt qualify as a woman. And shouldnt compete against them. Simple as that.

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preacherman76
4 hours ago, Setton said:

Have you found anyone that actually does say it's fair competition? 

Or are you jumping on this latest bandwagon of arguing with fictional opponents? 

If you know it is unfair competition, than why are you supporting it?

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spartan max2
15 hours ago, jypsijemini said:

I'm afraid it is.

There's something competing between the actual biology and the mental processes of the individual.

 

The brain is a physical object, it is the biology. The brain is the body, mental processes are physical.

There is research that show trans people have a physical brain more similar to their preferred sex. 

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