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Girls file Lawsuit against transgenders

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OverSword
9 hours ago, Setton said:

Literally what I've been suggesting for 7 pages...  

Yeah, and look at all the likes this idea has. :mellow:

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Setton
2 hours ago, Myles said:

Team "A" would be all males and it WOULD be the best.

By that logic, under the current system, the best men's team is also the best team. 

The only difference with my system is you don't have to tell people they're wrong about their own gender. 

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OverSword
5 minutes ago, Setton said:

Argument of popularity is a relevant argument in this case because sports must be popular or they will not happen.  People must buy tickets and sponsors must invest money.  This idea of yours will have all the men and likely very few TG's in the top division, most of the TG's and very few women in the middle division and most of the women and very few TG's in the bottom division.  Too complicated.  Much easier and harder to be deceptive through under performing in qualifications is a xy and a yy league.  

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Big Jim
30 minutes ago, Setton said:

The only difference with my system is you don't have to tell people they're wrong about their own gender. 

No one is telling people they're wrong about their own gender, they're saying you're not the gender that this team is comprised of.  People don't make teams for all kinds of reasons.  This is just one of them.  Demanding to be included in a team you don't qualify for opens the door for endless complaints from everyone else who has ever been turned down.

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DieChecker
10 hours ago, Setton said:

Literally what I've been suggesting for 7 pages... 

You just need to get away from the idea that 'Team A' is the best. 

Problem being when it involves the USA. Competitiveness is a national pastime. Everyone wants to be, or watch, or idolize, the best. Thus the A team will always get the most media and most fame. And the most dollars.

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DieChecker
3 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Because even if you have a male and female running the same mile per minute. No test is going to be able to account for all the differences in stamina recovery rate, bone structures, muscle to fat ratio, etc. Which leads to injuries and general unfair competition. For example men's upper bodies is often much stronger regardless of if a women runs the same speed for a short amount of time. That would lead to many injuries. 

I basically agree with your second point, but we're dealing with "fairness" as determined by PC Culture. The whole point would be it is "Fair", given we need to include all 999 genders.

As to the first point, the same can be said of people who grew up in, say, the Andes of South America. They'd have greater lyng capacity. And of people who grew up on a working farm, who may have greater bone density. We cant eliminate every variable. Its never going to be completely fair. Some people will have millions of dollars to train, while others will have none. 

If any person who competes in a specific sport, and accepts the risks, and has comparable skills, they should be able to compete together fairly.

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Setton
1 hour ago, Big Jim said:

No one is telling people they're wrong about their own gender, they're saying you're not the gender that this team is comprised of.  

Literally the exact same thing. 

48 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Problem being when it involves the USA. Competitiveness is a national pastime. Everyone wants to be, or watch, or idolize, the best. Thus the A team will always get the most media and most fame. And the most dollars.

Firstly, that's probably something wider you should address as a country. 

Secondly, why on earth would the heavier/stronger division have to be seen as the best one. 

Is a featherweight champion worse than a heavyweight one? 

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Big Jim
35 minutes ago, Setton said:
2 hours ago, Big Jim said:

No one is telling people they're wrong about their own gender, they're saying you're not the gender that this team is comprised of.  

Literally the exact same thing. 

Not at all.  Using that interpretation would mean that everyone is wrong about their gender because men don't qualify for the women's team and women don't qualify for the men's.  Not qualifying doesn't mean you're wrong about anything, just that you don't meet the standard.  

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Setton
40 minutes ago, Big Jim said:

Not at all.  Using that interpretation would mean that everyone is wrong about their gender because men don't qualify for the women's team and women don't qualify for the men's.  Not qualifying doesn't mean you're wrong about anything, just that you don't meet the standard.  

That standard being that they're not the gender you think they should be. 

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spartan max2
2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

I basically agree with your second point, but we're dealing with "fairness" as determined by PC Culture. The whole point would be it is "Fair", given we need to include all 999 genders.

As to the first point, the same can be said of people who grew up in, say, the Andes of South America. They'd have greater lyng capacity. And of people who grew up on a working farm, who may have greater bone density. We cant eliminate every variable. Its never going to be completely fair. Some people will have millions of dollars to train, while others will have none. 

If any person who competes in a specific sport, and accepts the risks, and has comparable skills, they should be able to compete together fairly.

It's true, you can't eliminate every variable and it's not practical to try.

Seperating between male and female ,and then within those two groups seperating based on skill, is the most effective way to account for the broadest form of physical differences to keep things competitive and fair.

If you start splitting base upon every variable, one, you will run out of enough players to even have sport teams and leagues, but two you would also have to create some convoluted test process and require highschool, clubs, and universities to administers those test. A lot of physical traits require medical samples and exams, cost money and time. 

 

 

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spartan max2
28 minutes ago, Setton said:

That standard being that they're not the gender you think they should be. 

Trans women is a different term then women for a reason. Trans women go through a different life expierence and their body goes through a different process of growth then persons born women.

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Setton
2 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Trans women is a different term then women for a reason. Trans women go through a different life expierence and their body goes through a different process of growth then persons born women.

And yet most 'trans women' as you call them, will call themselves... women. Because that's what they are. 

And you are determined to deny that. 

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spartan max2

In the medical world we use the term trans-women in your files because we accept that it is relevant to their physical state and has medical implications. Which is why it's relevant to this topic, the physical differences.

I have no issues calling a trans-women a women in other topics. But in this topic is it obviously a relevant distenction.

 

 

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XenoFish

It's called body dysmorphic disorder. I have a trans kids. And no matter how much someone mutilates their body, pumps themselves full of chemicals and hormones. They will never be what they believe themselves to be. Apparently we are now in a society where feelings are considered facts and anyone can pretend to be anything they wish. 

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TigerBright19

If people can freely gender hop, then does that mean we can freely change our own race and species, because the choice is ours alone to make?

 

This guy wants to be a penguin.  Should his personalized identity be accepted.  If not, why not?

 

 

 

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aztek

i do not like P Morgan, but in this case i'm on his side

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spartan max2
27 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It's called body dysmorphic disorder. I have a trans kids. And no matter how much someone mutilates their body, pumps themselves full of chemicals and hormones. They will never be what they believe themselves to be. Apparently we are now in a society where feelings are considered facts and anyone can pretend to be anything they wish. 

Gender dsyphoria disorder was removed from the DSM in 2013, the same way being gay was removed from the DSM in 1975.

Body dsymorphic disorder isnt a synonym of gender dsyphoria, it's a different thing.

You will have just as much luck trying to treat trans as a disorder as treating gay as a disorder. Conversation therapy didn't help gay people. Acting like trans is a disorder won't help trans.

 

Transgender brains act different. It's a generic thing like being gay so it should be treated with acceptance just like how it is commonly accepted to treat being gay as natural.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

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Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to new research. The findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool for earlier identification of transgenderism in young people

 

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Setton
44 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

In the medical world we use the term trans-women in your files because we accept that it is relevant to their physical state and has medical implications. Which is why it's relevant to this topic, the physical differences.

I have no issues calling a trans-women a women in other topics. But in this topic is it obviously a relevant distenction.

Except that this is not a thread about medicine so, by your own admission, it is not relevant. 

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XenoFish
5 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Gender dsyphoria disorder was removed from the DSM in 2013, the same way being gay was removed from the DSM in 1975.

Body dsymorphic disorder isnt a synonym of gender dsyphoria, it's a different thing.

You will have just as much luck trying to treat trans as a disorder as treating gay as a disorder. Conversation therapy didn't help gay people. Acting like trans is a disorder won't help trans.

 

Transgender brains act different. It's a generic thing like being gay so it should be treated with acceptance just like how it is commonly accepted to treat being gay as natural.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

 

No **** Sherry. It's best to just accepts that there is no such thing as order in this world. Let everyone pretend they are something they ain't. Let hard working real women lose to pretend women. Screw it, it doesn't matter anymore. I hope corona wipes us off this planet. 

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Setton
1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

No **** Sherry. It's best to just accepts that there is no such thing as order in this world. Let everyone pretend they are something they ain't. 

Well, by the looks of it, you've been pretending to be a functioning member of society for years so... 

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, Setton said:

Well, by the looks of it, you've been pretending to be a functioning member of society for years so... 

Well I don't sexually identify as ice cream and my gender isn't a toaster. Better than most people. 

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spartan max2
5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Well I don't sexually identify as ice cream and my gender isn't a toaster. Better than most people. 

Did you choose to be sexually attracted to women?

Did you choose to feel like a male?

Did you choose to suffer from depression and anxiety?

Or are these all things that you naturally feel because of the genetics you were born with?

It's no different for everyone else, even trans people. It's just the way they are born feeling.

 

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aztek
1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

 

Or are these all things that you naturally feel because of the genetics you were born with?

It's no different for everyone else, even trans people. It's just the way they are born feeling.

 

mental disorders also feel natural,

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OverSword
1 hour ago, Setton said:

And yet most 'trans women' as you call them, will call themselves... women. Because that's what they are. 

And you are determined to deny that. 

No.  They are not.  They are males.  It's science.  Even according to the WHO there are only two genders falling in the spectrum of xy and yy chromosomes.  There are minute variations within that but each assigned as one or the other.  You are defying science.  I suppose that man has no effect on the climate as well? 

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