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jaylemurph
On 2/21/2020 at 9:13 PM, Tuco's Gas said:

I'll add juvenile sarcasm to your list of attributes.

You're quite the charmer.

That offer was made in complete sincerity; it’s not my fault if you need a certain amount of linguistic hand-holding. 

—Jaylemurph 

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Alchopwn
On 2/23/2020 at 12:04 AM, Rlyeh said:

This story has what to do with portals or detecting them?

The story is merely about a weird event that seems to correlate with the existence of something approaching a portal effect.  It is hard to explain other than to dismiss it out of hand as folklore, which is a bit weak.

On 2/23/2020 at 12:04 AM, Rlyeh said:

Haha, just no.  Some idiot a few years ago tried to use that same article to support aliens travelling to Earth.  This is what the article means by "portal"; "They're places where the magnetic field of Earth connects to the magnetic field of the Sun, creating an uninterrupted path leading from our own planet to the sun's atmosphere 93 million miles away."

I am well aware that as you say "Haha, just no",  but the magnetic connection is unusual.  I can see how you might have misinterpreted what I put down as being more woo than it was intended.  All I wanted to imply is that we have some tentative science regarding the ideas of wormholes, and this sort of phenomenon might be relevant to it if wormholes actually exist.

On 2/23/2020 at 12:04 AM, Rlyeh said:

The issue is all you've got is a bunch of stories, that and you can't read beyond an article's title.

Perhaps, but lets face facts.  Until we produce wormholes in a lab, what evidence would we realistically have for spontaneous wormholes other than some people who experienced apparently mad things happening in the world?  Don't be too quick to dismiss the anecdotes when people are prepared to stick to their guns despite ridicule.  Not everyone is a fraud, especially if they aren't trying to profit from it.  I am not saying that we should take the info at face value, but we should also not dismiss it out of hand, when it is potentially scientifically plausible.

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19_Kilo
4 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

The story is merely about a weird event that seems to correlate with the existence of something approaching a portal effect.  It is hard to explain other than to dismiss it out of hand as folklore, which is a bit weak.

I am well aware that as you say "Haha, just no",  but the magnetic connection is unusual.  I can see how you might have misinterpreted what I put down as being more woo than it was intended.  All I wanted to imply is that we have some tentative science regarding the ideas of wormholes, and this sort of phenomenon might be relevant to it if wormholes actually exist.

Perhaps, but lets face facts.  Until we produce wormholes in a lab, what evidence would we realistically have for spontaneous wormholes other than some people who experienced apparently mad things happening in the world?  Don't be too quick to dismiss the anecdotes when people are prepared to stick to their guns despite ridicule.  Not everyone is a fraud, especially if they aren't trying to profit from it.  I am not saying that we should take the info at face value, but we should also not dismiss it out of hand, when it is potentially scientifically plausible.

The hypothesis of "connective magnetic pathways" between earth and sun, used to enable ET spacecraft travel is bad science. If such a conduit existed (it doesn't) then the craft's own magnetic field would repel the ions in the magnetic path, thus denigrating and not enhancing propulsion.  And if the skin of the craft was a non-conductive material, then any alleged magnetic aid would not be available anyway. (Sorry if I sound nitpicky, I'm an electricity/electrodynamics nerd.)

Just my dos centavos.

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Piney
29 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Perhaps, but lets face facts.  Until we produce wormholes in a lab, what evidence would we realistically have for spontaneous wormholes other than some people who experienced apparently mad things happening in the world?  Don't be too quick to dismiss the anecdotes when people are prepared to stick to their guns despite ridicule.  Not everyone is a fraud, especially if they aren't trying to profit from it.  I am not saying that we should take the info at face value, but we should also not dismiss it out of hand, when it is potentially scientifically plausible.

A "black hole" is actually a super dense object which gathers objects and gains mass. It's not a actual "hole".

A "white hole" would be the opposite. Which means a object with no mass that would repel other objects. Thus it couldn't exist.....and neither can a "worm hole" according to the current understanding of physics. 

A "portal" would have to be a literal tear in spacetime and that tear wouldn't stop. (AKA "Big Rip") 

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toast

Yeah, well known already. I have such a portal in my home. But its interesting to know that its not only for inbounds, its for outbounds (within my home) as well so it seems to be a closed system. It mostly absorb my car key and place it to another place overnight. Sometimes my cell phone and TV remote control unit as well. It has never transferred my fridge, my dishwasher or my bed so I think the tube´s diameter is below 8cms.

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Tatetopa
On 2/21/2020 at 6:59 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

If the portals move, how come they’ve never interfaced with a really famous location and, say, eaten a President?

How many combined covens of chanting witches do you think it would take to get enough directional control and focus to do that?    If it was 7 multiplied by 7, seven times, that is only about 850,000 I think.  Somebody might be able to organize that many volunteers.

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19_Kilo
On 2/21/2020 at 9:02 PM, XenoFish said:

I think a portal would require a wormhole and a wormhole I think needs a black hole, so.....

I have a pet theory that the Dark Matter that accounts for approximately 85% of the known universe...And the origin of which is still uncertain...is actually comprised of Black Hole leakage or remnants. Makes sense in a way, since both are mainly super strong gravitational fields. I think too that Dark Energy,  which seems to possess opposite effects, might have originated as Black Hole anti-matter. Alas, my physics knowledge isn't strong enuff to delve into the math which might either support or refute those ideas.

Peace.

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19_Kilo
1 hour ago, toast said:

Yeah, well known already. I have such a portal in my home. But its interesting to know that its not only for inbounds, its for outbounds (within my home) as well so it seems to be a closed system. It mostly absorb my car key and place it to another place overnight. Sometimes my cell phone and TV remote control unit as well. It has never transferred my fridge, my dishwasher or my bed so I think the tube´s diameter is below 8cms.

I hear ya, bro. I think a have a portal in my bank account.

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Tatetopa
On 2/21/2020 at 8:55 PM, Tuco's Gas said:

It's like asking why a POTUS has never been killed by lightning. 

Ahh, but we know lightning exists, right?

Secret Service agents have special lightening rods on the ends of umbrellas and a conducting wire that runs down to a special copper spike in their golf shoes.  They take the hit.   We all know its true, but they will never verify it.  

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Piney
10 minutes ago, Tuco's Gas said:

I have a pet theory that the Dark Matter that accounts for approximately 85% of the known universe...And the origin of which is still uncertain...is actually comprised of Black Hole leakage or remnants. Makes sense in a way, since both are mainly super strong gravitational fields. I think too that Dark Energy,  which seems to possess opposite effects, might have originated as Black Hole anti-matter. Alas, my physics knowledge isn't strong enuff to delve into the math which might either support or refute those ideas.

Peace.

Dark Energy could be Hawking Radiation?  That's a interesting idea! :yes:

@sci-nerd What's your opinion? 

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sci-nerd
5 minutes ago, Piney said:

Dark Energy could be Hawking Radiation?  That's a interesting idea! :yes:

@sci-nerd What's your opinion? 

Black holes are too small and rare to fill the roles we attribute to DM/DE. It's like attempting to fill an olympic pool with a water gun.

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19_Kilo
5 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

Black holes are too small and rare to fill the roles we attribute to DM/DE. It's like attempting to fill an olympic pool with a water gun.

Are you sure Black Holes are too rare? Aren't most spiral and elliptical galaxies, like our own Milky Way,  revolving around Black Holes?  And with the estimate of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe...

 

https://www.cosmotography.com/images/supermassive_blackholes_drive_galaxy_evolution_2.html

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sci-nerd
14 minutes ago, Tuco's Gas said:

Are you sure Black Holes are too rare? Aren't most spiral and elliptical galaxies, like our own Milky Way,  revolving around Black Holes?  And with the estimate of hundreds of billions of galaxies in the Universe...

Of all matter in the universe, black holes are only "11 ten thousandths of a percent". That's 11/1,000,000, or 0.000011 %. And don't forget that matter is only 5% of the universe, so it's those 5% you have to split into 11 millionths.

https://www.universetoday.com/112500/how-much-of-the-universe-is-black-holes/

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jaylemurph
4 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

How many combined covens of chanting witches do you think it would take to get enough directional control and focus to do that?    If it was 7 multiplied by 7, seven times, that is only about 850,000 I think.  Somebody might be able to organize that many volunteers.

I’m 100% sure this is a Doctor Who story — probably an old Big Finish one I worked on yonks ago — but I can’t remember the title. Axis of Insanity? 

—Jaylemurph 

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Rlyeh
8 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I am well aware that as you say "Haha, just no",  but the magnetic connection is unusual.

Is it?  The article mentions they're difficult to detect.

 

8 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I can see how you might have misinterpreted what I put down as being more woo than it was intended.  All I wanted to imply is that we have some tentative science regarding the ideas of wormholes, and this sort of phenomenon might be relevant to it if wormholes actually exist.

The article has nothing to do with wormholes, it's difficult to even call them portals as all they are is magnetic fields connecting.

 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
1 hour ago, jaylemurph said:

I’m 100% sure this is a Doctor Who story — probably an old Big Finish one I worked on yonks ago — but I can’t remember the title. Axis of Insanity? 

—Jaylemurph 

Well, it’s vaguely like the start of “Nocturne”, but that was music, no witches. Could be Necromantia.

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ocpaul20
On 2/22/2020 at 3:27 PM, Rlyeh said:

All this and not one person has detected them?

So, oh wise one, how would I and others go about detecting the cause of such phenomena ?

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Sir Wearer of Hats
Just now, ocpaul20 said:

So, oh wise one, how would I and others go about detecting the cause of such phenomena ?

Well, if they’re magnetic, a simple compass would detect them. Alternatively, due to thermal transfer depending on wether or not the connected locale is colder or warmer than where you are “now” you’d be able to detect the temperature differential. Also, every man and their dog now possess devices to take photos that are location and time stamped (location and time defined by connection to orbital satellites). 

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Rlyeh
6 minutes ago, ocpaul20 said:

So, oh wise one, how would I and others go about detecting the cause of such phenomena ?

If they're as common as you suggest you'd have plenty of opportunities.

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ocpaul20
11 hours ago, Piney said:

A "portal" would have to be a literal tear in spacetime and that tear wouldn't stop. (AKA "Big Rip") 

Thats if your understanding of spacetime is complete. 'tear' assumes spacetime is like a fabric and a tear would make a 'hole' in it which would keep on going - like a ladder in a stocking. That is a rather simplistic view of what I suspect is quite a complex subject.

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ocpaul20
15 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Alternatively, due to thermal transfer depending on wether or not the connected locale is colder or warmer than where you are “now” you’d be able to detect the temperature differential.

Ghost hunters often report a drop in temperature in an area they consider a 'ghost' to be. So, could this be a portal which is being used by the ghost to manifest perhaps?

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Alchopwn
12 hours ago, Tuco's Gas said:

The hypothesis of "connective magnetic pathways" between earth and sun, used to enable ET spacecraft travel is bad science. If such a conduit existed (it doesn't) then the craft's own magnetic field would repel the ions in the magnetic path, thus denigrating and not enhancing propulsion.  And if the skin of the craft was a non-conductive material, then any alleged magnetic aid would not be available anyway. (Sorry if I sound nitpicky, I'm an electricity/electrodynamics nerd.)

Just my dos centavos.

Fair enough.

4 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

The article has nothing to do with wormholes, it's difficult to even call them portals as all they are is magnetic fields connecting.

I agree, the article doesn't refer to wormholes by name, but research has been done on creating magnetic wormholes that seemed to bear fruit.  While we have, as yet, no evidence of this happening in nature, we as a species are only taking our first tentative steps in this area of science.  Just because we can't put it in a bell jar, doesn't mean it's impossible.  I don't seriously think that the Solar magnetic pathways from the original article constitute a portal, but it does indicate a naturally occurring phenomenon that is a bit like a wormhole, in that it is subatomic and creates an assisted pathway for rapid transfer of energy across considerable distances.  I was only making a claim for a similarity of process, though in retrospect I didn't properly explain my position.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
44 minutes ago, ocpaul20 said:

Ghost hunters often report a drop in temperature in an area they consider a 'ghost' to be. So, could this be a portal which is being used by the ghost to manifest perhaps?

Report being the operative word.

Bafflingly enough, despite the plethora of techturbation aids they had to hand, they never record it.

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ocpaul20
2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Bafflingly enough, despite the plethora of techturbation aids they had to hand, they never record it.

I have seen it reported on an instrument on these shows numerous times. Do you watch them? No, probably not, so you can make such claims. "Never" is a very finalistic word and very often not accurate.

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Piney
1 hour ago, ocpaul20 said:

I have seen it reported on an instrument on these shows numerous times. Do you watch them? No, probably not, so you can make such claims. "Never" is a very finalistic word and very often not accurate.

Who manage to get caught smoking evidence. 

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