Mother arrested in bizarre missing kids case

[Eldorado]

"The US mother whose two children have been missing for months has been arrested in Hawaii amid a complicated search operation spanning the US.

"Lori Daybell, 46, left for Hawaii in November after police in Idaho questioned her about her children, who officers say are in danger.

"The mysterious case includes three suspicious deaths.

"Mrs Daybell has reportedly been linked to a doomsday cult-like religious group, according to US media reports."

Full story at the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51591421

 

"The charges, which carry a possible sentence of up to 14 years each, stem from the disappearance of Vallow’s children, 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan.

"The 14-page affidavit supporting those charges details a mysterious and complicated story that includes three dead spouses, a dead sibling, an attempted murder and possible religious delusions. "

At Deseret (Utah):  https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/2/21/21147744/lori-vallow-jail-arrest-chad-daybell-hawaii-idaho-jj-tylee-missing

Edited February 22, 2020 by Eldorado

[Jujo-jo]

Wondered if there's any updates on this case, I've looked but haven't been able to come up with any...

[Eldorado]

5 minutes ago, Jujo-jo said:

Wondered if there's any updates on this case, I've looked but haven't been able to come up with any...

She's being extradited to jail in Idaho.

"The 46-year-old mother waived extradition Wednesday afternoon in Hawaii on charges of desertion and nonsupport of children, resisting and/or obstructing an officer, solicitation and contempt.

"Daybell’s children, Joshua “JJ” Vallow, 7, and Tylee Ryan, 17, have not been seen since September."

At the East Idaho News: https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/lori-daybell-wont-be-back-in-idaho-for-at-least-a-few-days-heres-how-shell-spend-her-days-at-the-madison-county-jail/

And at Brinkwire: https://en.brinkwire.com/us/cult-mom-lori-vallow-appears-in-court-in-orange-jumpsuit-where-she-fails-to-get-bail-reduced/

[Jujo-jo]

2 hours ago, Eldorado said:

She's being extradited to jail in Idaho.

"The 46-year-old mother waived extradition Wednesday afternoon in Hawaii on charges of desertion and nonsupport of children, resisting and/or obstructing an officer, solicitation and contempt.

"Daybell’s children, Joshua “JJ” Vallow, 7, and Tylee Ryan, 17, have not been seen since September."

At the East Idaho News: https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/02/lori-daybell-wont-be-back-in-idaho-for-at-least-a-few-days-heres-how-shell-spend-her-days-at-the-madison-county-jail/

And at Brinkwire: https://en.brinkwire.com/us/cult-mom-lori-vallow-appears-in-court-in-orange-jumpsuit-where-she-fails-to-get-bail-reduced/

Thank you,

Saddly I do not think these children are no longer alive.

If she had sold them or given them away I think they would have surfaced by now.

[GlitterRose]

I hope the kids are ok, but I don't think they are.

So sad.

[Festina]

It seems the ‘authorities’  are a bit late.  Idaho is a very low crime state with a hefty police force that they for some strange reason desire to enlarge and yet they have failed miserably pursuing this case.  Why? 

Idaho is also heavily populated by Mormons, who seem to be a protected group when it comes to crime.  I have some personal experience in this regard. 

Hopefully John Krakauer is taking notes, 

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10847.Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven

 

[Eldorado]

The FBI has asked anyone who may have seen the missing children of Lori Vallow in Yellowstone national park to come forward with photos or videos to help investigators.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/yellowstone-missing-children-fbi-lori-vallow-tylee-ryan-idaho-a9384211.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/missing-idaho-kids-lori-vallow-due-court-officials-ask-public-n1151236

[+susieice]

This woman should have been in jail a long time ago. Now a judge in Idaho has reduced her bail and she may be able to post it. The boy's grandparents are a lot more trusting than I am. I don't hold a lot of hope for those poor kids but I sure hope I'm wrong.

https://www.abc4.com/news/jj-vallows-grandparents-react-to-lori-vallow-daybells-hearing/

This is bull! Pink handcuffs? Seriously?

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/watch-judge-reduces-lori-vallow-daybells-bail-amount-to-1-million/

Magistrate Judge Faren Eddins informed Daybell she is charged with two counts of felony child abandonment, misdemeanor resisting and obstructing an officer, solicitation of a crime and contempt of court. The charges are related to the disappearance of Daybell’s children, 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan, who haven’t been seen since September.

Daybell’s husband, Chad Daybell, sat behind Lori during the proceedings. Elcox mentioned that Lori would be living with Chad in Madison County and that is not a flight risk.

Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood argued for the bond to remain at $5 million.

He asserted that Daybell was a flight risk. He drew the court’s attention to the fact she quickly left Arizona after the suspicious death of her estranged husband, Charles Vallow, and immediately left Idaho after police attempted to perform a welfare check about the location of JJ and Tylee.

“The defendant also tried to mislead law enforcement about the whereabouts of her children, and in furtherance of that, she tried to convince a family friend to say the children were with them, even though they weren’t,” Wood said.

Wood said Daybell had a history of defying court orders. The most recent was in January, when Madison County issued a court order for Daybell to return the children to Rexburg. She did not follow that court order, which ultimately led to a contempt of court charge.

Wood also revealed that Daybell continued to collect Social Security benefits for both children after she left the state without them.

[Vincennes]

On 3/7/2020 at 1:36 AM, susieice said:

This woman should have been in jail a long time ago. Now a judge in Idaho has reduced her bail and she may be able to post it. The boy's grandparents are a lot more trusting than I am. I don't hold a lot of hope for those poor kids but I sure hope I'm wrong.

I agree !  Although up to now I've just caught bits and pieces of this story but last night I was able to listen to a podcast by Dr. Phil, "A Mother's Secret:  The Lori Vallow Story" 

It's available here and is free (at least it is on my phone):  

https://www.drphilpodcasts.com/  

I was amazed listening to it how much back story there is in this case.  That charming little blonde bombshell has been married five times !  And there are indications money has been a motivating factor in her choices, even perhaps her marriage to Daybell.  

One of the primary questions that I came away with is why do they seem to talk about the girl, Tylee, as if she was such a young child.  She's young but yet she's seventeen.  I can't quite understand why she wouldn't have been in contact with someone along the way of the divorce from Vallow.  The little boy seems to have had a mental handicap.  It sounds to me as Tylee might have had a problem also or at least been awfully immature.  Where are her friends and input from them ?

I came away from listening to this really also appalled that she has been allowed to prance about so long.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Vincennes

[Jujo-jo]

12 hours ago, Vincennes said:

I agree !  Although up to now I've just caught bits and pieces of this story but last night I was able to listen to a podcast by Dr. Phil, "A Mother's Secret:  The Lori Vallow Story" 

It's available here and is free (at least it is on my phone):  

https://www.drphilpodcasts.com/  

I was amazed listening to it how much back story there is in this case.  That charming little blonde bombshell has been married five times !  And there are indications money has been a motivating factor in her choices, even perhaps her marriage to Daybell.  

One of the primary questions that I came away with is why do they seem to talk about the girl, Tylee, as if she was such a young child.  She's young but yet she's seventeen.  I can't quite understand why she wouldn't have been in contact with someone along the way of the divorce from Vallow.  The little boy seems to have had a mental handicap.  It sounds to me as Tylee might have had a problem also or at least been awfully immature.  Where are her friends and input from them ?

I came away from listening to this really also appalled that she has been allowed to prance about so long.

Sounds like the niece knows where the children are or what happened to them but most likely isn't going to tell authorities until she is forced to.

I'd like to know more about the occult Lori Vallow is a member of, maybe she sacrificed them or killed them cuz she just know longer wanted the children in her live.

[Eldorado]

Latest:

"A former senior investigator and a former FBI special agent are both raising serious new questions over the handling of the highly suspicious death of a woman linked to the so-called "cult mom" Lori Vallow."

Fox News: Link

[TashaMarie]

On 2/29/2020 at 1:24 AM, Jujo-jo said:

Wondered if there's any updates on this case, I've looked but haven't been able to come up with any...

I was wondering to at one point the story was continuously on my news feed then just seemed to disappear. 

I do hope the judge is right in lowering the bail, I personally think she is a flight risk and if she runs I think she will be harder to find.  

[Vincennes]

 

(Thanks to everyone who reacted to my last post.  I've been having computer problems due to a move for a long time and feel like I haven't followed anything well enough to make a sensible comment.  S(o I really appreciate your support)

On 3/20/2020 at 7:08 PM, Jujo-jo said:

Sounds like the niece knows where the children are or what happened to them but most likely isn't going to tell authorities until she is forced to.

I'd like to know more about the occult Lori Vallow is a member of, maybe she sacrificed them or killed them cuz she just know longer wanted the children in her live.

.Dr Phil mentioned in the Podcast that the niece seems to have been a person who fell under Lori's spell early.  It's so amazing how there is a type of person who is totally susceptible to cult type influence.  And when you think about Jim Jones and his group, it becomes far less surprising that Lori might have done away with children that were in her way.  

 

[Vincennes]

 

I don't know much about this but after listening to Dr. Phil's podcast summing up just who has ended up dead around Lori and Chad, it sounds to me as if the term "serial killer" might just fit both of them. 

Why in the world did the police not investigate further when Lori's brother shot her husband, Vallow ?  Her brother claimed self-defense while at the same time saying he left the room, got a gun, brought it back and just managed to shoot Vallow in the BACK !  Kids might still be around had the police taken appropriate action !

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lori-vallow-husband-under-investigation-for-possible-murder-charges-as-her-2-kids-remain-missing/ar-BB12CWkU?ocid=spartanntp

[TashaMarie]

On 4/15/2020 at 3:57 PM, Vincennes said:

 

I don't know much about this but after listening to Dr. Phil's podcast summing up just who has ended up dead around Lori and Chad, it sounds to me as if the term "serial killer" might just fit both of them. 

Why in the world did the police not investigate further when Lori's brother shot her husband, Vallow ?  Her brother claimed self-defense while at the same time saying he left the room, got a gun, brought it back and just managed to shoot Vallow in the BACK !  Kids might still be around had the police taken appropriate action !

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/lori-vallow-husband-under-investigation-for-possible-murder-charges-as-her-2-kids-remain-missing/ar-BB12CWkU?ocid=spartanntp

He remarried 9 days after his wife had passed?  I understand that when you are grieving the loss of a loved one you can act very different to how you would normally but 9 days??  Also how on earth was Tammy buried so fast after an unexplained death in the home?  I'm not sure how it is done in a America but in the UK you have a post mortem;

A death will be referred to the coroner if:

• it's unexpected, such as the sudden death of a baby (cot death)
• it's violent, unnatural or suspicious, such as a suicide or drug overdose
• it's the result of an accident or injury
• it occurred during or soon after a hospital procedure, such as surgery
• the cause of death is unknown

How could they allow the burial of a woman who had an explained death at home?  They are very lucky he didn't cremate her if he was involved in her death.   With regards to the death of Lori's husband and brother strange again you would have thought there would have been a thorough investigation.  So in less than 6 months? you have three suspicious deaths and 2 missing children.  

[Vincennes]

 

Yes, there should have been an autopsy but from what I've found these keystone cops didn't do anything until Daybell married again just two weeks after her death then they had to do an exhumation.  They haven't announced what the cause of death has been determined to be.

 

https://www.abc4.com/news/national/attorney-general-takes-over-tammy-daybell-death-investigation/

 

https://kutv.com/news/local/sheriff-sets-record-straight-in-tammy-daybell-death-investigation

[Vincennes]

 

I wonder what they would have done as far as the investigation if they hadn't married within two weeks ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/doomsday-couple-investigated-for-murder-amid-missing-kids-investigation/ar-BB12JHBH?ocid=spartandhp

Wow this pic of her !!!  She's been told she's oh so cute one too many times.  

Edited April 17, 2020 by Vincennes

[Robotic Jew]

Hoping the kids are found safe and sound soon...

[TashaMarie]

10 hours ago, Vincennes said:

Yes, there should have been an autopsy but from what I've found these keystone cops didn't do anything until Daybell married again just two weeks after her death then they had to do an exhumation.  They haven't announced what the cause of death has been determined to be.

https://www.abc4.com/news/national/attorney-general-takes-over-tammy-daybell-death-investigation/

 

https://kutv.com/news/local/sheriff-sets-record-straight-in-tammy-daybell-death-investigation

The first link is unavailable to me as I'm in the UK. 

I will never understand the justification of not completing an autopsy in the first place, as far as we know she was a healthy fit lady that just died in her sleep, surely they would want to know the cause? What if she had some underlying medical condition that caused her death which could have been hereditary?

I had not heard about the children's stuff being found and Tylee's phone that does not sit well with me.  

[Vincennes]

21 hours ago, TashaMarie said:

The first link is unavailable to me as I'm in the UK.

I will never understand the justification of not completing an autopsy in the first place, as far as we know she was a healthy fit lady that just died in her sleep, surely they would want to know the cause? What if she had some underlying medical condition that caused her death which could have been hereditary?

I had not heard about the children's stuff being found and Tylee's phone that does not sit well with me.  

Sorry it wasn't available to you.  They didn't give any justification for no autopsy.  There seems to have been no logical reason for LE to behave in the way they did for both Tammy's death and Charles Vallow's.   The cult they were in does have a connection to the Mormon faith.  I'm wondering if there were ties to that faith also with LE and they were given a pass because of that.  Mormon culture can have close "fellowship" ties.  Or could it have been because of Lori's "charm."

I understand in Vallow's death Lori made two different statements to LE.  The first was that she and Tylee were not there at the time.  They had taken the boy to school and were not home yet.  The second was that the two of them had just arrived home and that Tylee was actually involved in the squabble first occurring.  My suspicion is that Tylee might have objected to going along with this story.  She is said to have liked .  Perhaps she objected to being a part of the coverup of his murder which might just have been a reason for her own disappearance.  

[micahc]

On 4/17/2020 at 2:37 AM, Vincennes said:

 

Yes, there should have been an autopsy but from what I've found these keystone cops didn't do anything until Daybell married again just two weeks after her death then they had to do an exhumation.  They haven't announced what the cause of death has been determined to be.

 

https://www.abc4.com/news/national/attorney-general-takes-over-tammy-daybell-death-investigation/

 

https://kutv.com/news/local/sheriff-sets-record-straight-in-tammy-daybell-death-investigation

Looks like Fremont County Idaho has the old coroner office where the coroner is an elected official and not a Medical Examiner.  The one who has the position now, and I guess at the time of the death, was and EMT (advanced EMT it says, which might be a paramedic I think).  They didn't think it looked suspicious at the time, and its the coroner's call. I know most jurisdiction requires any unattended death be autopsied, Unless the decedent  is under the care of a physician who is willing to sign the certificate. They are not saying much about what was the original reason the coroner decided it did not need to be autopsied.  I am still looking.  I have a link to the article I relied on and a link to the coroner's bio.

https://kutv.com/news/local/sheriff-sets-record-straight-in-tammy-daybell-death-investigation

 

Brenda Dye Coroner

https://www.rexburgstandardjournal.com/news/idaho/brenda-dye-to-run-for-fremont-county-coroner/article_8ac6032e-7517-521e-83d4-5a4357814b0e.html

 

I would think the cause of death would have to be obvious, but you know what happens when we assume.

Adding an article...even more suspicious...

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lori-vallow-cult-mom-tammy-daybell-fox-nation

"Tammy Daybell, 49, was not known to suffer from any health problems and was training to run a marathon when she died. Despite that lack of an apparent cause of death, there was no autopsy performed."

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by micahc

[TashaMarie]

2 hours ago, micahc said:

Looks like Fremont County Idaho has the old coroner office where the coroner is an elected official and not a Medical Examiner.  The one who has the position now, and I guess at the time of the death, was and EMT (advanced EMT it says, which might be a paramedic I think).  They didn't think it looked suspicious at the time, and its the coroner's call. I know most jurisdiction requires any unattended death be autopsied, Unless the decedent  is under the care of a physician who is willing to sign the certificate. They are not saying much about what was the original reason the coroner decided it did not need to be autopsied.  I am still looking.  I have a link to the article I relied on and a link to the coroner's bio.

https://kutv.com/news/local/sheriff-sets-record-straight-in-tammy-daybell-death-investigation

 

Brenda Dye Coroner

https://www.rexburgstandardjournal.com/news/idaho/brenda-dye-to-run-for-fremont-county-coroner/article_8ac6032e-7517-521e-83d4-5a4357814b0e.html

 

I would think the cause of death would have to be obvious, but you know what happens when we assume.

Adding an article...even more suspicious...

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lori-vallow-cult-mom-tammy-daybell-fox-nation

"Tammy Daybell, 49, was not known to suffer from any health problems and was training to run a marathon when she died. Despite that lack of an apparent cause of death, there was no autopsy performed."

 

Again I could not read the second article due to my location.  I really cannot see how Brenda is going to be able to justify her decision.

[micahc]

52 minutes ago, TashaMarie said:

Again I could not read the second article due to my location.  I really cannot see how Brenda is going to be able to justify her decision.

the second one I labled Brenda Dye?  Its not that important. it just tells about the coroner.  looks like questions she answered about running for coroner...

ame: Brenda Dye

Occupation: AEMT for Fremont County

Married? Spouses name? Yes, Rance Dye

 

 

Children? Four: two boys, two girls

Education: Graduated from North Fremont High School

Which Fremont County city do you live in? Island Park

Did you grow up here? Born and raised in Fremont county

What brought you to Fremont County? Have always loved it here

 

Profession? Advanced EMT

What qualifies you to serve as county coroner? I’ve been an EMT in Fremont County for 20 plus years. I’m a kind compassionate person.

Have you ever served in an elected office? If so which office was it? No.

Why do you want to be the county coroner? I find the job description fascinating, interesting, and I’ve been on the scene of many deaths. I’ve been asked by many people, including families of deceased persons to run for coroner over the past years.

Should you be elected, what changes would you like to make? If elected I want to be that compassionate person, who’s always willing to learn and work hard.

What do you like about Fremont County? I love our community. Fremont County is filled with great people. I love what the outdoors has to offer.

Do you have any hobbies? Mountain Biking, hiking, fishing, hunting, and just enjoying the beauty that Fremont county has to offer.

[micahc]

She had a high school education, she was an advanced EMT, emergency medical technician.  I think when its advanced its what we call a paramedic.  she was a local, so it could be some of that home cooking so to speak I think Vincennes was talking about.  Taking care of their own, and looking the other way maybe. At minimum they should have called in the nearest Medical Examiner to do an autopsy.

[Vincennes]

12 hours ago, micahc said:

She had a high school education, she was an advanced EMT, emergency medical technician.  I think when its advanced its what we call a paramedic.  she was a local, so it could be some of that home cooking so to speak I think Vincennes was talking about.  Taking care of their own, and looking the other way maybe. At minimum they should have called in the nearest Medical Examiner to do an autopsy.

A high school graduate EMT as a coroner is one of the weirdest things I've ever heard of !    And she lists one of her qualifications is that she's COMPASSIONATE !!!!  In this day and age that is absurd.  I live in a state where they kept some of the pioneer laws going until just a few years ago but that beats anything I've ever heard.  Right now I'm so sick and tired of unqualified people holding offices, I could scream (a lovely example now in Michigan)  One of the articles you linked by the sheriff mentions a statement about "the family refusing autopsy."   He says that can't happen but it seems to me that I have heard that before. (I'm thinking that I've heard of some tenants in the Jewish faith being honored that don't allow for autopsy and/or mandates a times frame for burial that won't allow time for an autopsy)  So I'm wondering if his statement is solid OR back to my original theory that this country bumpkin type atmosphere did lead the "coroner" to give a     "Yes, sir, Mr. Daybell, However you want it handled Mr. noted author, sir, and which Sunday School class are you teaching, sir,"