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Has everyone asked God to reveal himself?

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psyche101
4 hours ago, Sherapy said:

I wonder if it is a projection. 

The more I read, the more I suspect that is the case.

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eight bits
1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

How many times do i have to explain this?  :) 

Until you've convinced yourself, and aren't so transparently terrified by your eventual inevitable natural end.

 

3 hours ago, Sherapy said:

I wonder if it is a projection. 

Incessant yammering about "your" fear of death, combined with boasting about how he's free of any such frailty. "You" being somebody he's never met, but this is one thing about "you" he knows.

What he knows is his own terror, and his own failure to come to terms with his situation.

 

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

But we need to use the evolved qualities nature gave us,

Life span is an evolved quality. That all die and some are replaced is evolution.

 

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22 minutes ago, eight bits said:

Until you've convinced yourself, and aren't so transparently terrified by your eventual inevitable natural end.

 

Incessant yammering about "your" fear of death, combined with boasting about how he's free of any such frailty. "You" being somebody he's never met, but this is one thing about "you" he knows.

What he knows is his own terror, and his own failure to come to terms with his situation.

 

Life span is an evolved quality. That all die and some are replaced is evolution.

 

Nup you are the one projecting your world view onto me 

I have no fear of death or anything but that is because i modified my emotional  responses while a child/ teenager and learned how to deconstruct and reconstruct "emotional  responses.

It was  a childs psychological  response to a desire to have total control over my thoughts and behaviours so that in never harmed another person My parents had that sort of control (in 80 years I never saw either of them lose their temper, verbally or physically  abuse anyone or  lose control of their behaviors and so i set that as a goal for myself  

I am speaking from a psychologists   perspective and also from cognitive science What i say is well known and today you can go online to learn the methods I taught myself  60 years ago, beginning with simple mindfulness  .

I don't understand why you see me as you do.Its untrue and goes to your own perspective on life and death not my own. 

But its wider than that  Fear is nor "real" nor is suffering. The y are human constructs of the mind and only exist because we can consciously construct them.   That means we can deconstruct and eliminate them  The simplest example of this is a phobia or irrational fear We construct that fear and today professionals can successfully teach you how to eliminate that phobia completely  

Humans have a huge range of evolved qualities Mosts of us use most of them but often only minimally or marginally

And that is ok if you  dont need them.

  But they are all useful, empowering, liberating, and   handy to have.  It is like the abilty to think logically/rationally.

Every functioning human mind has that abilty but some use it very little, while others become very good at it This makes a big difference in outcomes /quality of life ,  and success for those individuals    Learning to manage emotional responses is an equally powerful abilty .  We all use it to a limited extent, but most barely scratch the surface . 

Ps i have come close to death many times, sometimes unexpectedly with no time to prepare or think,  sometimes with a long wait for a risky operation  Ive never felt fear, although I often ask a lot of questions to better understand the risks involved. 

Yes we all die but with luck we will have 8 or more decades of living These things go to quality of life and outcomes for living more than a concern about death Control your emotions and behaviours and you  will have a better life with less conflict, legal problems, and better relationships with others You will enjoy  greater success in work and more pleasure in your life. 

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eight bits
8 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Nup you are the one projecting your world view onto me 

Recognizing that you are projecting your terror of death onto the rest of us is not an accusation. You needn't revert to the schoolyard playground, "I know you are, but what am I?"

Those were good days, though, weren't they?

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Just now, eight bits said:

Recognizing that you are projecting your terror of death onto the rest of us is not an accusation. You needn't revert to the schoolyard playground, "I know you are, but what am I?"

Those were good days, though, weren't they?

Your recognition is wrong.

I have no fear of death ( let alone a terror)   nor fear of anything .  There is nothing in this world to fear, unless we construct a fear of it. Fear is NOT inevitable nor natural. It has to be learned    I see death as exactly the same as my existence before birth, so nothing to be afraid of.

  It is only while we are alive that we construct fears of death and other things

Thus, how can i project it onto anyone,  if i don't possess it ? :)  I  am pointing out that  humans have  these fears because of their  high level of self aware consciousness, but have also evolved a number of tools with which to correct the cause of fear. 

Because you are so wrong about me, it is likely that your belief comes from   a projection of your own inner world view, including your fears/ coping mechanisms etc.You believe fear is inevitable and perhaps natural, and so, in turn you think i must be somehow allieviating my fears by  projecting them     Nup No fear to begin with so none to project. 

  If you  were NOT doing this, you would recognise the truth in what ive said about myself,  rather than see me only through what you feel and believe

Its possible that you dont have any fears But Sherapy has said tha t she generates fear and anger and feels both are natural and beneficial . 

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Liquid Gardens
6 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

That is evolutionary biologists psychologists and neurocognitive scientists speaking I am just paraphrasing the material the y write 

Paraphrasing, or embellishing and distorting?  Where did "neurocognitive" scientists and psychologists indicate that without faith one would commit suicide or wither away and die?  What studies back this up?

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How many projectionists does it take to change a perfectionistic bulb on the projectorial wall lamp missing a shade ... 

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White Crane Feather

I directly interact with my minds version of God anytime I want, and yes all I have to do is ask and surrender. Though, I’m in an altered state of consciousness. After sometime, I know it is always there, so I don’t really need to go through the process of putting myself in that space very often.

In the past, my very first interactions were through not asking God to show itself, but through giving myself over to it and asking it to guide my actions. And while I feel like that was happening, I was also doing a lot of meditation on compassion, and this causes you to act upon compassionate impulses, so I found myself in all kinds of things. Practicality tells me my compassionate focus was putting in me in all of these strange situations, but I really felt like I was constantly being handed assignments. Sometimes the visions would come before I made the choice to help though. After about a decade, somebody took notice, and the city I lived in ended up giving me a public accommodation. (Kind of a keys to the city type thing.)  

When I meet with the great spirit, There are two things that are notable. It’s not like having a chat with Morgan Freedman. It’s more like meeting with the ocean itself. In fact, that is the very images I witness. It’s like meeting with a conscious ocean. When you ask it relevant questions, it doesn't just answer. You already know the answer when you ask it.  You just realize it by then end of the thought. 

The thing I have discovered about the great spirit’s love though, is that it is nowhere near authoritarian. It reminds me very much of a dog’s love. God seems legitimately happy that I have even noticed it. On a few occasions, some I have written about right here on UM, it seems like it wants to follow me around and I have to tell it to shew because I have to be at least a Little normal. God doesn't mind though. It’s just happy to see me the next time. 

There are a lot of things I could talk about with this, but. Yes I have asked for God to be in my life, and it is. It is just in ways that I don’t think most people are capable of either understanding or in others respecting. 

 

 

 

 

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White Crane Feather
5 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Nup you are the one projecting your world view onto me 

I have no fear of death or anything but that is because i modified my emotional  responses while a child/ teenager and learned how to deconstruct and reconstruct "emotional  responses.

It was  a childs psychological  response to a desire to have total control over my thoughts and behaviours so that in never harmed another person My parents had that sort of control (in 80 years I never saw either of them lose their temper, verbally or physically  abuse anyone or  lose control of their behaviors and so i set that as a goal for myself  

I am speaking from a psychologists   perspective and also from cognitive science What i say is well known and today you can go online to learn the methods I taught myself  60 years ago, beginning with simple mindfulness  .

I don't understand why you see me as you do.Its untrue and goes to your own perspective on life and death not my own. 

But its wider than that  Fear is nor "real" nor is suffering. The y are human constructs of the mind and only exist because we can consciously construct them.   That means we can deconstruct and eliminate them  The simplest example of this is a phobia or irrational fear We construct that fear and today professionals can successfully teach you how to eliminate that phobia completely  

Humans have a huge range of evolved qualities Mosts of us use most of them but often only minimally or marginally

And that is ok if you  dont need them.

  But they are all useful, empowering, liberating, and   handy to have.  It is like the abilty to think logically/rationally.

Every functioning human mind has that abilty but some use it very little, while others become very good at it This makes a big difference in outcomes /quality of life ,  and success for those individuals    Learning to manage emotional responses is an equally powerful abilty .  We all use it to a limited extent, but most barely scratch the surface . 

Ps i have come close to death many times, sometimes unexpectedly with no time to prepare or think,  sometimes with a long wait for a risky operation  Ive never felt fear, although I often ask a lot of questions to better understand the risks involved. 

Yes we all die but with luck we will have 8 or more decades of living These things go to quality of life and outcomes for living more than a concern about death Control your emotions and behaviours and you  will have a better life with less conflict, legal problems, and better relationships with others You will enjoy  greater success in work and more pleasure in your life. 

Something you said years ago to someone I have repeated to others quite often in my own version. It was particularly useful when I have encountered suicidal or pre suicidal people that come to me. It’s odd the perspective change that some people who are suicidal go through when they finally understand that there is plenty of time to be dead latter. It’s not always that simple to explain, but it did come from you, and it does help.

 

 

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Sherapy
7 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Intellectual caution is useful, emotional/physical  fear is not  Assertiveness is productive. Anger is not.  it reduces your abilty to think and act clearly and logically and thus reduces your chances of survival or success.

How many times do i have to explain this?  :) 

I dont repress anger or hold it in. Anger is a construct. I just choose NOT to construct it.

We all have a choice whether to feel angry or not at anything.  There IS no anger either physiologically or emotionally and thus no need to repress it.

There is no fear either physiologically  or emotionally and thus no repression of fear 

You have been trapped in an ancient belief that anger and fear are natural, unavoidable, and productive (or at least necessary) 

The y are NONE of those things The y are outdated remnants of our  primate biology and we have the power to remove them from  our mind completely or choose when to construct them if it useful  .  

Ps when you need a display of anger to set a boundary , fake it. That way there is no danger of it getting out of control, because you are incontrol of it all the time. 

 I can "do" anger effectively and convincingly.  I can appear very angry on the outside while chuckling merrily at the absurdity  of a situation on the inside. 

And sherapy, one more thing I have almost certainly experienced more love, and even romance, in my life than  you ever will. 

I was loved by many from my  birth ive been loved by and loved many through my life and i have had  all the romance a man can handle (not the namby pamby romance of the emotions as in Mills and Boon  But the real romance of true love, commitment, and a life together with the one you love more than life itself.  )   

“And sherapy, one more thing I have almost certainly experienced more love, and even romance, in my life than  you ever will. 

I was loved by many from my  birth ive been loved by and loved many through my life and i have had  all the romance a man can handle (not the namby pamby romance of the emotions as in Mills and Boon  But the real romance of true love, commitment, and a life together with the one you love more than life itself” ( Walker).

Wally this quote is anger and lashing out because of anger. Anger is a natural emotion. The big difference is I admit to my humanness you don’t. Your emotions are a part of you.The rest of this post is talking out your backside it is Walkerism it isn’t based on any legitimate current psychology or cognitive behavioral therapy. 
 

IMHO, You come from the time when a successful marriage is defined by commitment and sticking it out for better or worse in sickness and health, so help you god. This is what you call love. It works for you and all the best for you. 
 

I come from the time where two people create an “us” based on passion, love, attraction, friendship, open communication, and, being their for each other, accepting the other for their humanness this “us” honors, respects and makes sure the needs of each other are met, including emotional and we call it a loving relationship. We show each other we love each other it is measured in the way we treat each other and behave towards each other, not in the time served. 


I just have to ask what is namby pamby emotions? God help me. 

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XenoFish

Why are any of you bothering to feed his ego and desire for attention? 

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8 minutes ago, White Crane Feather said:

Something you said years ago to someone I have repeated to others quite often in my own version. It was particularly useful when I have encountered suicidal or pre suicidal people that come to me. It’s odd the perspective change that some people who are suicidal go through when they finally understand that there is plenty of time to be dead latter. It’s not always that simple to explain, but it did come from you, and it does help.

 

 

Realizing that ending your own life when you're going to die anyway, makes suicide meaningless. No point in doing it.

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Sherapy
8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Nup. I don't see humans as weak. I see as us strong and  resilient  But we need to use the evolved qualities nature gave us, to be our best, to be the strongest we can be, and to not just survive but live long and prosper.

  I see faith, belief and religion as strengths and additions evolved to overcome the effects of our slef awareness (which gives us many of our strengths, but also most of our fears and anxieties ) They are like our abilty to think logically, and use different forms of intellect to analyse, and problem solve. 

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23 minutes ago, White Crane Feather said:

Something you said years ago to someone I have repeated to others quite often in my own version. It was particularly useful when I have encountered suicidal or pre suicidal people that come to me. It’s odd the perspective change that some people who are suicidal go through when they finally understand that there is plenty of time to be dead latter. It’s not always that simple to explain, but it did come from you, and it does help.

 

 

Well this is certainly one way to look at things, but so is getting help and often the resistance to getting help is lack of means. I have found it useful and effective to offer to pay for the therapy and psychiatrist, or offer the resources to self educate and self advocate. 


 

 

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third_eye

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White Crane Feather
25 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Well this is certainly one way to look at things, but so is getting help and often the resistance to getting help is lack of means. I have found it useful and effective to offer to pay for the therapy and psychiatrist, or offer the resources to self educate and self advocate. 


 

 

Indeed. So have I. Sometimes just exercising with someone to help them boost their happy chems is a great way to show that you care and affect their neural chemistry at the same time. When I do encounter someone with a lot of depression, I always ask them if they would join me for some jogging. I happen to have an unusual perspective on how states of consciousness affect personal narratives, so getting people to talk while the endorphins kick in is a great way to help them change perspective. Then last year I became aware of the MAPS program that is having amazing results treating PTSD. 

I always recommend (gently) professional help. A good councilor and doc can make a huge difference. I’d put the caveat that there are a ton of people really bad at it and severely over medicate as well. I have a hard time trusting psychiatrists. Counselors I’m good with, and true psychologists are better. But the use of diagnostic flow charts and treating symptoms with chemicals from a single visit seems irresponsible to me unless someone is in immediate danger. I have worked with thousands of people, and I have seen these situations up close. There is a lot of harm done as-well. My academic focus was economics and econometrics. There is a lot wrong with the way some people use data to sell drugs. While I’m no doctor, sometimes doctors are not good at data either, and just do what they are told to do via other sources that may or may not be acting economically. 

 

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