Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #151 Share Posted February 25, 2020 12 hours ago, XenoFish said: What kind of reality did I wake up in this morning? Nothing is right.... I was hoping she would answer your question. I thought, it was a good question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #152 Share Posted February 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Crikey said: Oh dear sweetheart you seem in a ratty mood, did you burn the toast or something?.. As for "journey", nah, we Christians aren't on any "journey", we've ARRIVED, we knocked on Jesus's door and he said "Come on in, the kettles on".. Jesus said "Knock and the door will be opened to you...Whoever comes to me i'll never turn away" (Matt 7:7, John 6:37) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPHILL by: Christina Rossetti (1830-1894) "Will the day's journey take the whole long day? From morn to night, my friend. Then must I knock, or call when just in sight? They will not keep you standing at that door. Will there be beds for me and all who seek? Yea, beds for all who come".. Interesting on the points of your posts, and this painting. If it’s the painter I’m thinking it is. If it is, despite the known beliefs of the late painter, it seems ironic to me how this painter’s journey ended. Not what I would think, was a journey of said beliefs. *shrugs*. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #153 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Crikey said: Right, true Christianity makes no distinction between male and female.. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 ) Granted, that is wonderful in the message, and if it’s there to be felt. But, wouldn’t it also make sure it’s definitely felt by all? I ask this, as someone who grew up not going to any religious weekly meetings and not reading any religious book. Meaning, no religion taught at all. So, no basis to acknowledge if it’s what you say it is actually being there. So, if they are there in my life, growing up, you would think there would be more work into letting me know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #154 Share Posted February 25, 2020 5 hours ago, psyche101 said: 5 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: I pray quite a lot each day, mainly just to give thanks and to generate a warm feeling of gratitude within my heart. And sometimes on here I will offer-up a little prayer, asking for guidance, something like, "Dear Lord, therefore, I pray that I may be guided to write something helpful, something virtuous, something that shall inspire, something compassionate and wise, thank You." And as soon as I start to forget the prayer, as so as my thoughts start to turn towards something else, that's when the answer shall pop into my mind. And even if I have to pray 3/4 times, I have always received an answer. Once, about 2 years ago, I was feeling bad, I had a bad case of heartache, and it was the only thing I could think about. And so after maybe 3/4 days of suffering, the idea came to me to ask for help, and so I said a prayer something like this. "Dear Lord, I thank you for everything, therefore………..Lord, I am glad to have been through this, I am happy to have experienced this, but now, its too much, and so I pray for some comfort." And after about 5 minutes, the pain had simply vanished. I don't know why this works so well for me, and apparently not for others, perhaps is has something to do with belief and expectancy, or your intentions, or maybe your sense of awareness, openness, and mindfulness? Self fulfilling prophecies are not proof of a universal consiouness. Crikey Moses. I agree, for all my intense giddiness of my own belief. I guess practicing the art of ruling out the coincidences, should be a first thing one should do to come to a definite conclusion. Subjectiveness is personal, not objective. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #155 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: Welcome back. I've missed you. Anyway, I am not looking for proof per se, just a way to be helpful and happy. You see, this I can dig! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 25, 2020 #156 Share Posted February 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: Granted, that is wonderful in the message, and if it’s there to be felt. But, wouldn’t it also make sure it’s definitely felt by all? I ask this, as someone who grew up not going to any religious weekly meetings and not reading any religious book. Meaning, no religion taught at all. So, no basis to acknowledge if it’s what you say it is actually being there. So, if they are there in my life, growing up, you would think there would be more work into letting me know about it. I've never been to church myself because I can't stand them.. But remember we don't need churches to do our thinking for us anyway because Jesus said "You have ONE teacher, ME", and he can easily be found in any slimline gospel from bookshops costing a few pennies.. You either like Jesus or you don't, it's as simple as that.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 25, 2020 #157 Share Posted February 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: I was hoping she would answer your question. I thought, it was a good question. I don't expect much from people anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 25, 2020 Author #158 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Crikey said: You either like Jesus or you don't, it's as simple as that.. Non-belief has nonething to do with "not liking Jesus". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festina Posted February 25, 2020 #159 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: It is especially interesting how it’s considered the music is linked to God, mostly so in that the composer has been noted to be Atheist/Agnostic. I mean, I can’t see the connection in an objective outlook. God revealed himself in Ralph Von Williams, the sublime music he created was the out-manifestation of this revelation. What is “God” for many people? An incalculably malevolent bloodthirsty avaricious [Deuteronomy 15] jealous wrathful war mongering misogynist misanthropic bigoted sensitive to insult and criticism entity who makes Its first appearance as The LORD God after Genesis 2:4 and a half. And What is an Atheist? Some one who doesn’t ‘believe’ in IT and therefore gains Freedom from ‘its’ negative influences and thereby allows the influence of the true Deity [Love] to enter. Listen.... This being said non-belief does not necessarily mean non-existence. The question is what exactly is this parasitic so called LORD God of Hosts entity and from whence did it come? Edited February 25, 2020 by Festina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #160 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Festina said: 2 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: It is especially interesting how it’s considered the music is linked to God, mostly so in that the composer has been noted to be Atheist/Agnostic. I mean, I can’t see the connection in an objective outlook. What is “God” for many people? An incalculably malevolent bloodthirsty avaricious [Deuteronomy 15] jealous wrathful war mongering misogynist misanthropic bigoted sensitive to insult and criticism entity who makes Its first appearance as The LORD God after Genesis 2:4 and a half. And What is an Atheist? Some one who doesn’t ‘believe’ in IT and therefore gains Freedom from ‘its’ negative influences and thereby allows the influence of the true Deity [Love] to enter. This being said non-belief does not necessarily mean non-existence. The question is what exactly is this parasitic so called LORD God of Hosts entity and from whence did it come? Granted, nonbelief does not necessarily mean nonexistence of God, they also does not necessarily mean the nonexistence of anything else for that matter. And if you take somebody like me, who hasn’t seen proof of that existence, I feel my non-belief of God as you put it, doesn’t exist within my point of view. How would you go about making sure objectively show me your God exists for me? Edited February 25, 2020 by Stubbly_Dooright 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #161 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: I don't expect much from people anymore. I know, my son. I know. ((Hugs)) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Festina Posted February 25, 2020 #162 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: Granted, nonbelief does not necessarily mean nonexistence of God, they also does not necessarily mean the nonexistence of anything else for that matter. And if you take somebody like me, who hasn’t seen proof of that existence, I feel my non-belief of God as you put it, doesn’t exist within my point of view. How would you go about making sure objectively show me your God exists for me? I’m not trying to convince you of anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #163 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Crikey said: 2 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: Granted, that is wonderful in the message, and if it’s there to be felt. But, wouldn’t it also make sure it’s definitely felt by all? I ask this, as someone who grew up not going to any religious weekly meetings and not reading any religious book. Meaning, no religion taught at all. So, no basis to acknowledge if it’s what you say it is actually being there. So, if they are there in my life, growing up, you would think there would be more work into letting me know about it. I've never been to church myself because I can't stand them.. But remember we don't need churches to do our thinking for us anyway because Jesus said "You have ONE teacher, ME", and he can easily be found in any slimline gospel from bookshops costing a few pennies.. Are you asking me to remember something that was not told me? did you not thoroughly read what I just posted, you know the post you quoted? When I said I never went to any religious meetings or read any religious book, that means I have no basis of that. So, how can I remember something that was not said to me? Quote You either like Jesus or you don't, it's as simple as that.. You know, I was headed that way of looking at things. You either like or hate it. I’m sorry, my feelings as it’s not as simple as that and I’m not just meaning about liking or not liking Jesus. We all have our different ways of liking, not liking, kind of liking, kind of hating, middle ground that’s the real simple things of it. A part of me may feel Jesus exist in the past but without all the magic and miracles, and admire him for his behavior. But if there’s a part of me that doesn’t believe he exists, you can’t have like you’re not liking you just feel he didn’t exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubbly_Dooright Posted February 25, 2020 #164 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Festina said: I’m not trying to convince you of anything. OK, my apologies. but, there’s also in the manner that the message comes across. I could be wrong, it seems like you’re showing objective facts, I guess I could or should be seeing your opinion of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 25, 2020 #165 Share Posted February 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: I agree, for all my intense giddiness of my own belief. I guess practicing the art of ruling out the coincidences, should be a first thing one should do to come to a definite conclusion. Subjectiveness is personal, not objective. I'm not sure how one might go about ruling-out, or even ruling-in, what is a coincidence, and what has an element of the Truth? All I know is that when I pray, I am answered. And objective truths are fine, but I am interested in the Human experience, and how we all might enjoy ourselves more. Living happy, prosperous, healthy and creative lives, free from all this unnecessary pain and suffering, then eradicating war and poverty and disease to a large extent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 25, 2020 #166 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, spartan max2 said: Thanks for the reply. This is the question I seek in this thread: In your earlier days did you ever ask God to "reveal himself" and what happened. Actually, this one time that I was camping in some woods, it was dark, and my mind was over thinking in a negative kind of way, I don't remember exactly what was turning over and over in my mind, but after some time, a female voice came in to my head, and told me to "keep quiet". lol. Then and now, I thought that was God! But I think God reveals ITSELF to me all the time, only not by words, but by synchronicities, signs, and beauty. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 25, 2020 #167 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Festina said: What is “God” for many people? An incalculably malevolent bloodthirsty avaricious [Deuteronomy 15] jealous wrathful war mongering misogynist misanthropic bigoted sensitive to insult and criticism entity who makes Its first appearance as The LORD God after Genesis 2:4 and a half. And What is an Atheist? Some one who doesn’t ‘believe’ in IT and therefore gains Freedom from ‘its’ negative influences and thereby allows the influence of the true Deity [Love] to enter. Heathen tribes were running wild in Old T times, so if they were approaching your village to kill you and your kids I bet you and atheists would be the first to pray to God to zap them.. As for your allegation that God don't like women, I dunno where you heard that, but God told Jesus to go around rescuing naughty girls from fundy mobs, is that okay with you and atheists?.. Edited February 25, 2020 by Crikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 25, 2020 #168 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stubbly_Dooright said: A part of me may feel Jesus exist in the past but without all the magic and miracles, and admire him for his behavior. But if there’s a part of me that doesn’t believe he exists, you can’t have like you’re not liking you just feel he didn’t exist. Jesus was seen by thousands of people strutting his stuff, that's a lot of eyewitnesses..And remember, when the first gospels were written after his execution, NOBODY, not a single person ever came forward from the priests or Romans or the people to say "Baloney, it never happened". That's because he was TOO BIG to be a myth, heck he was almost as big as Elvis, right Elv?- Edited February 25, 2020 by Crikey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted February 25, 2020 #169 Share Posted February 25, 2020 6 hours ago, psyche101 said: You don't need to go on ignore, I was genuine when I said you seem a very nice person. I just don't think your advice is good for anyone but you. It works for you, and more power to you, but that's not how things work. It's your perception. Well I agree its not for everyone... But if it works for me, then it may work for other folk too? I mean, its possible. Perception, reaction, feelings... A good, positive perception will lead to a good, positive reaction, which in turn will lead to a good, positive feeling. So in actual fact, it could well be of value to other folks too.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 25, 2020 Author #170 Share Posted February 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Crikey said: Heathen tribes were running wild in Old T times, so if they were approaching your village to kill you and your kids I bet you and atheists would be the first to pray to God to zap them.. As for your allegation that God don't like women, I dunno where you heard that, but God told Jesus to go around rescuing naughty girls from fundy mobs, is that okay with you and atheists?.. Homie, it sounds like you have some solid hatred in your heart for atheist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 25, 2020 #171 Share Posted February 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Homie, it sounds like you have some solid hatred in your heart for atheist. Who else was the same way on here?!? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted February 25, 2020 Author #172 Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Who else was the same way on here?!? I'm honestly not sure lol. Was it me? Am I being accused lol ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 25, 2020 #173 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: I'm honestly not sure lol. Was it me? Am I being accused lol ? Nope not you Some of the others might remember the fellow I'm alluding to. Edited February 25, 2020 by XenoFish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 25, 2020 #174 Share Posted February 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: Homie, it sounds like you have some solid hatred in your heart for atheist. Not at all honeybun, for example I often post this pic in forums to buck them up.. THE ATHEIST CONSERVATIONIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crikey Posted February 25, 2020 #175 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Scudbuster said: Well, it may have happened, but I don't buy the absurd "backstory" whatsoever: WHOA Jack, Jesus was NOT God but you seem to have bought the absurd backstory that he was.. Edited February 25, 2020 by Crikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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